Is it just me or have SF vanished?

McMurphy · 25-08-2020 11:37AM

blackwhite wrote: »

It really wasn't - no matter how much the SF cheerleaders try to lie otherwise.

Funeral's normally don't stop halfway to the final resting place to hold a host of political speeches.

Good to see nothing has changed in the SF tactics on here - throw abuse at anyone who calls out the cult :rolleyes:

What abuse was in that post?

Feel free not to answer, you flat avoided the funeral comparison questions with all your other amigos.

Fann Linn · 25-08-2020 11:41AM

blackwhite wrote: »

Were these organised by a political party - or did they feature political speeches from any party leaders?

Disgusting is an apt description for the SF acolytes who keep trying to pretend that all funerals take a detour to hold a party-political event midway through it.

Thought we were discussing the possible breach of health regs/guidelines re Covid.
Not who was getting buried.
Covid bypasses the good guys in your opinion judging by your post.

jm08 · 25-08-2020 11:49AM

Superfoods wrote: »

Yes and they lost them plus other roles have been vacated

They are still TDs drawing a salary.

Mary Lou should have stepped down as her role as leader of Sinn Fein as she clearly cannot lead in a crisis

Lead what in a crisis? SF? She isn't a Gov. Minister. Its up to SF members to choose their leader.

How is it different? he is a leader of a party, same as Mary Lou. She has guys running around shouting "Up da Ra", another throwing accusations about a man killed, another who is going on rants on facebook, another councillor over in Spain for two weeks, a load going up North for a funeral and not following guidelines.

He is Taoiseach and Leader of the Country (as well as being party leader).

why are people shouting about Michael Martin? so far Mary Lou leadership looks to be fairly poor. Or do you think all of the above shows good leadership?

The opinion polls don't say that.

She can remove a councillor from Sinn Fein. Very easy to do that. A lot harder to sack your second Agri Minister. Michael Martin done it and done it quickly, which showed improvement in leadership

She can withdraw the SF Whip from the Councillor, thats about all. She does not lose her job as a Councillor.

Since MM appointed both Agri Ministers, he is the one who has to sack them.

If you say so, I am not saying they are/are not getting new members. I am just saying you can't go round shouting/roaring about one political party while doing the same or worse in your own party.

To be honest, a councillor going on holiday to a holiday provided all quaranteening rules etc. are taken. The reason they went is because they could not get a refund and is completely different to the shambles of a golf outing that happened in the West.

If Sinn Fein kept under the radar for a few months they would probably have 20,000 but they constantly do Sinn Fein things......

So you should be glad. Was their a spike in Covid infections after the funeral in West Belfast. As far as I understand it, all social distancing regs were adhered to and the PSNI has said that no laws were broken.

blackwhite · 25-08-2020 11:57AM

McMurphy wrote: »

What abuse was in that post?

Feel free not to answer, you flat avoided the funeral comparison questions with all your other amigos.

Calling anyone "pathetic" comes across as the usual typical shinner abuse of anyone who dares question them - no suprise the rest of the crew are along to defend their comrades :rolleyes:

I've address the funeral comparisons repeatedly - but keep lying if that's what makes you feel better.

One funeral took a diversion between the service and the final resting place in order to hold a political rally.

I didn't see Garda Horkan's funeral take a diversion en route - did you? Didn't see any political party sticking his coffin beside a podium and holding a policital event halfway through the proceedings.

Party before reality as always for the SF fans on here

Fann Linn · 25-08-2020 11:59AM

blackwhite wrote: »

Calling anyone "pathetic" comes across as the usual typical shinner abuse of anyone who dares question them - no suprise the rest of the crew are along to defend their comrades :rolleyes:

I've address the funeral comparisons repeatedly - but keep lying if that's what makes you feel better.

One funeral took a diversion between the service and the final resting place in order to hold a political rally.

I didn't see Garda Horkan's funeral take a diversion en route - did you? Didn't see any political party sticking his coffin beside a podium and holding a policital event halfway through the proceedings.

Party before reality as always for the SF fans on here

And did they both breach health regs/guidelines re numbers/ distance?

blackwhite · 25-08-2020 12:00PM

Fann Linn wrote: »

Thought we were discussing the possible breach of health regs/guidelines re Covid.
Not who was getting buried.
Covid bypasses the good guys in your opinion judging by your post.

More lies - the issue is pausing the funeral mid-way through in order to hold a political rally. The longer you have big crowds congregated then the higher the risk.

Here - yet again - shows where the difference and problem arises. No doubt you'll ignore it again because defending the cult is more important than the truth.

blackwhite wrote: »

No - but it the risk of transmission increases in line with the length of time that people are in close proximity to each other.

The detour to hold a political rally needlessly increased the risk.

blanch152 · 25-08-2020 12:01PM

Fann Linn wrote: »

Care to comment on the similarities between the two funerals which Leo and FG are trying to avoid.

One was a political rally without a burial, the other was a funeral in a different jurisdiction.

That is sufficient to distinguish them.

A more apt comparison is with the John Hume funeral, a comparison that the Shinners keep avoiding.

Fann Linn · 25-08-2020 12:02PM

blackwhite wrote: »

More lies - the issue is pausing the funeral mid-way through in order to hold a political rally. The longer you have big crowds congregated then the higher the risk.

Here - yet again - shows where the difference and problem arises. No doubt you'll ignore it again because defending the cult is more important than the truth.

Agreed. But the vigils in Castlerea and Ballaghaderrern during that week would have posed the same risk.

blackwhite · 25-08-2020 12:02PM

Fann Linn wrote: »

And did they both breach health regs/guidelines re numbers/ distance?

They did.

But one made things worse again by organising a political rally mid-way through, extending the time that people were present, and by busing in "activists" from around the island in order to increase the numbers present.

Fann Linn · 25-08-2020 12:03PM

blackwhite wrote: »

They did.

But one made things worse again by organising a political rally mid-way through, extending the time that people were present, and by busing in "activists" from around the island in order to increase the numbers present.

Thank you.

blanch152 · 25-08-2020 12:03PM

LawBoy2018 wrote: »

You're clearly clutching at straws here tbh. Storey's funeral was, just that, a funeral. The manner in which said funeral was carried out is irrelevant, don't be so pedantic/pathetic.

That is just nonsense.

It wasn't a funeral, it was a political rally dressed up as a funeral with a fake burial. Sometimes I wonder is the man dead at all, given the level of fake pageantry around his funeral.

blackwhite · 25-08-2020 12:05PM

Fann Linn wrote: »

Agreed. But the vigils in Castlerea and Ballaghaderrern during that week would have posed the same risk.

Gatherings of people from the immediate locality, compared to a political rally where people were bused from around the island are not a comparable risk.

FrancieBrady · 25-08-2020 12:09PM

blackwhite wrote: »

They did.

But one made things worse again by organising a political rally mid-way through, extending the time that people were present, and by busing in "activists" from around the island in order to increase the numbers present.

When are you going to accept that what is being investigated is a 'breach of guidelines'.

What happened in Clifden is the breaking of rules and the breaking of quarantine restrictions that have fines and imprisonment as penalties...BECAUSE they are more serious than 'breaches'.

SF have been criticised by me and everyone else and have accepted themselves they breached the guidleines. The PSNI is investigating to see if any laws were broken.

McMurphy · 25-08-2020 12:10PM

blackwhite wrote: »

Calling anyone "pathetic" comes across as the usual typical shinner abuse of anyone who dares question them - no suprise the rest of the crew are along to defend their comrades :rolleyes:

Pedantic/Pathetic was clearly in relation to what you had posted, I don't think the poster aimed it you personally, they probably dont know you in real life to make such a judgement,you're possibly jumping too quick to be offended?

I've address the funeral comparisons repeatedly - but keep lying if that's what makes you feel better.

One funeral took a diversion between the service and the final resting place in order to hold a political rally.

I didn't see Garda Horkan's funeral take a diversion en route - did you? Didn't see any political party sticking his coffin beside a podium and holding a policital event halfway through the proceedings.

Party before reality as always for the SF fans on here

The shinners maybe should have put a partition up in the graveyard, seems like the lads (including a cabinet minister, a Supreme Judge and the head of the covid response) thought it was adequate for them?

Obviously I'm just being silly.

The mourners that broke the social distancing guidelines at both funerals were wrong, both could have been handled better imo.

However, covid doesn't give a shyte who the funeral was for, or who was in attendance, or what they were doing.

I'm going to make this one fairly simple for you, it will only require a yes/no.

If you are of the belief MON/MLMD should resign/be sacked for ignoring the guidelines, do you think Flanagan/Ring should face the same consequences?

Think you can manage that? It's not a big ask mind you.

jm08 · 25-08-2020 12:11PM

blanch152 wrote: »

That is just nonsense.

It wasn't a funeral, it was a political rally dressed up as a funeral with a fake burial. Sometimes I wonder is the man dead at all, given the level of fake pageantry around his funeral.

As a blueshirt, I thought you would be able to understand republican funerals and historically how orations have always been a feature. Don't FG have an annual shindig down in West Cork every year for Michael Collins where it is regarded as a big deal as to who gives it.

McMurphy · 25-08-2020 12:15PM

blackwhite wrote: »

Gatherings of people from the immediate locality, compared to a political rally where people were bused from around the island are not a comparable risk.

Charlie Flanagan is from Mayo now? Why post something that is so easily proven to be not true

Would you be trying to twist things? (Just a bit?)

blackwhite · 25-08-2020 12:18PM

McMurphy wrote: »

Pedantic/Pathetic was clearly in relation to what you had posted, I don't think the poster aimed it you personally, they probably dont know you in real life to make such a judgement,you're possibly jumping too quick to be offended?

The shinners maybe should have put a partition up in the graveyard, seems like the lads (including a cabinet minister, a Supreme Judge and the head of the covid response) thought it was adequate for them?

Obviously I'm just being silly.

The mourners that broke the social distancing guidelines at both funerals were wrong, both could have been handled better imo.

However, covid doesn't give a shyte who the funeral was for, or who was in attendance, or what they were doing.

I'm going to make this one fairly simple for you, it will only require a yes/no.

If you are of the belief MON/MLMD should resign/be sacked for ignoring the guidelines, do you think Flanagan/Ring should face the same consequences?

Think you can manage that? It's not a big ask mind you.

If you can find any instance of me defending the clusterf*ck in Clifden then feel free to post it. Seems the whatbaoutery is a strong as ever in Parnell Sq brigades.

Whoever in Sinn Fein took it upon themselves to organise a political rally midway through the funeral should resign - and there should be apologies from the senior SF folk for participating in the rally and for busing in people from across the island.

I've yet to see evidence of Flanagan or Ring personally breaching the guidelines (nor MLMD breaching guidelines during the actual funeral part in Belfast) - but MON should have seen sterner sanction from the party for p*ssing all over the guidelines with her two photo ops - both the selfie at the funeral, and for travelling down to the CCD so she could stand behind MLMD in a few pictures.

blackwhite · 25-08-2020 12:19PM

McMurphy wrote: »

Charlie Flanagan is from Mayo now? Why post something that is so easily proven to be not true

Would you be trying to twist things? (Just a bit?)

That question was about the vigils on the night after the killing.

You trying to twist things yourself there? I guess that's ok once you're defending your cult

McMurphy · 25-08-2020 12:21PM

blackwhite wrote: »

If you can find any instance of me defending the clusterf*ck in Clifden then feel free to post it. Seems the whatbaoutery is a strong as ever in Parnell Sq brigades.

Stopped reading after Clifden, you like many others want to keep comparing Clifden/Funeral instead of Funeral/Funeral.

I'll ask again.

I'm going to make this one fairly simple for you, it will only require a yes/no.

If you are of the belief MON/MLMD should resign/be sacked for ignoring the guidelines, do you think Flanagan/Ring should face the same consequences?

I've yet to see evidence of Flanagan or Ring personally breaching the guidelines (nor MLMD breaching guidelines during the actual funeral part in Belfast) - but MON should have seen sterner sanction from the party for p*ssing all over the guidelines with her two photo ops - both the selfie at the funeral, and for travelling down to the CCD so she could stand behind MLMD in a few pictures.

Allow me to oblige so.

You're welcome.

blackwhite · 25-08-2020 12:23PM

McMurphy wrote: »

Stopped reading after Clifden, you like many others want to keep comparing Clifden/Funeral instead of Funeral/Funeral.

I'll ask again.

I'm going to make this one fairly simple for you, it will only require a yes/no.

If you don't want to read answers that don't suit the party agenda, then I guess that's your own problem.

Mission accomplished johnny - jump in to defend a fellow party hack, and deflect away until the topic dies a death.

Transparent as ever - honesty goes out the window when the Sinn Fein fan club arrive

blackwhite · 25-08-2020 12:26PM

McMurphy wrote: »

Allow me to oblige so.

You're welcome.

Travel for work was part of the exemptions from the travel restrictions (you've bragged about abusing the exemption to do a tour of a few Aldi's yourself so I'm guessing you're familiar with it).

Are you trying to argue that attending the funeral of a Garda killed in the line of duty is not part of the Minisiter for Justice's work?

McMurphy · 25-08-2020 12:26PM

blackwhite wrote: »

If you don't want to read answers that don't suit the party agenda, then I guess that's your own problem.

Mission accomplished johnny - jump in to defend a fellow party hack, and deflect away until the topic dies a death.

Transparent as ever - honesty goes out the window when the Sinn Fein fan club arrive

You have not answered the question asked - no point in trying to huff now.

And the "Johnny" remark what's that supposed to be about? I changed my name but kept the account (as anyone with a subscription can do) IE - all my posts under the Johnny username still appear under this account....

Is this supposed to be some dig and hurt my feelings, or what is the point in posting it?

blackwhite · 25-08-2020 12:29PM

McMurphy wrote: »

You have not answered the question asked - no point in trying to huff now.

And the "Johnny" remark what's that supposed to be about? I changed my name but kept the account (as anyone with a subscription can do) IE - all my posts under the Johnny username still appear under this account....

Is this supposed to be some dig and hurt my feelings, or what is the point in posting it?

Nothing intended by it at all - just the name you used the longest so it's the name I still associate with you. If you don't like it being used then happy to call you whatever the latest tagline is.

As for answering the question - I'll give you a hint - it's in the post you proudly boasted that you didn't read. :rolleyes:

It being the answer that doesn't suit your party's cult's agenda - then that's just too bad.

McMurphy · 25-08-2020 12:29PM

blackwhite wrote: »

Travel for work was part of the exemptions from the travel restrictions (you've bragged about abusing the exemption to do a tour of a few Aldi's yourself so I'm guessing you're familiar with it).

Are you trying to argue that attending the funeral of a Garda killed in the line of duty is not part of the Minisiter for Justice's work?

Very good, it's almost like we have been discussing Charlie and Michael's travel restrictions being broken, rather than social distancing guidelines being broken.

You can just hold your hand up and admit they were wrong same as the shinners anytime you like you know.

And when you do, could you let me know if you think they should be fired or resign for doing so?

blackwhite · 25-08-2020 12:37PM

McMurphy wrote: »

Very good, it's almost like we have been discussing Charlie and Michael's travel restrictions being broken, rather than social distancing guidelines being broken.

You can just hold your hand up and admit they were wrong same as the shinners anytime you like you know.

And when you do, could you let me know if you think they should be fired or resign for doing so?

Try again then - the discussion has been around breaching the guidelines full stop. Wasn't it you that loved to trot out an image of shifting goalposts? :rolleyes:

If there's images of Flanagan or Ring throwing their arms around people for selfies, then they're 100% wrong and need to be called to account.
If you've some evidence of them busing in countless "activists" from around the country then they need to be held to account.
Or if you've some evidence of them getting the funeral diverted so they could make a few political speeches, then by all means post it.

But it looks like that - as always - all you've actually got is a dose of whataboutery to try and deflect away from SF - because you couldn't resist jumping in to defend one of your comrades when they started to founder.

blackwhite wrote: »

If you can find any instance of me defending the clusterf*ck in Clifden then feel free to post it. Seems the whatbaoutery is a strong as ever in Parnell Sq brigades.

Whoever in Sinn Fein took it upon themselves to organise a political rally midway through the funeral should resign - and there should be apologies from the senior SF folk for participating in the rally and for busing in people from across the island.

I've yet to see evidence of Flanagan or Ring personally breaching the guidelines (nor MLMD breaching guidelines during the actual funeral part in Belfast) - but MON should have seen sterner sanction from the party for p*ssing all over the guidelines with her two photo ops - both the selfie at the funeral, and for travelling down to the CCD so she could stand behind MLMD in a few pictures.

Superfoods · 25-08-2020 12:41PM

jm08 wrote: »

As a blueshirt, I thought you would be able to understand republican funerals and historically how orations have always been a feature. Don't FG have an annual shindig down in West Cork every year for Michael Collins where it is regarded as a big deal as to who gives it.

So? I don't get your point. If the event goes on every year who cares. Same if Sinn Fein want to go around having funerals let them off, nobody cares.

If it goes on and in breach of the guidelines risking people's lives then it is something to be discussed.

Superfoods · 25-08-2020 12:44PM

Fann Linn wrote: »

Thought it was foolish but no different to Gda Horkan funeral where TDs also attended. People wishing to pay respects. Neither can be equated to a jolly in a Galway hotel.

We are discussing the Sinn Fein funeral. Do you think it was correct in the middle of covid to head off to another country in breach of all guidelines, not adhere to guidelines in the country you visit for a funeral/rally?

McMurphy · 25-08-2020 12:52PM

blackwhite wrote: »

Try again then - the discussion has been around breaching the guidelines full stop. Wasn't it you that loved to trot out an image of shifting goalposts? :rolleyes:

If there's images of Flanagan or Ring throwing their arms around people for selfies, then they're 100% wrong and need to be called to account.
If you've some evidence of them busing in countless "activists" from around the country then they need to be held to account.
Or if you've some evidence of them getting the funeral diverted so they could make a few political speeches, then by all means post it.

But it looks like that - as always - all you've actually got is a dose of whataboutery to try and deflect away from SF - because you couldn't resist jumping in to defend one of your comrades when they started to founder.

No, you're wrong yet again, we have been discussing regulations v guidelines for quite a while now, I even gave numerous hints as to how they differ - eg the gards are investigating Clifden because regulations were clearly broken, they're not investigating anyone for breaking the social distancing guidelines.

You can twist and squirm all you want - you're wrong here - you know you're wrong too.

As for my "numerous Aldi" visits - you're following another poster in trying to make it personal, the problem is I now have to correct you as I had to do for him.

Yes, I am indeed exempt from travel restrictions because of my work, however I stated quite clearly (and even linked to my post) that I stopped in an ALDI (singular) whilst on my way to a job and notified others reading the thread that Aldi did not have a certain item in their stores, with the clear instructions "to save anyone else making the unnecessary journey"

This isn't going well for you today at all, is it?

gormdubhgorm · 25-08-2020 01:10PM

Chiparus wrote: »

https://www.broadsheet.ie/2020/02/06/a-house-by-the-sea/

https://www.broadsheet.ie/2011/02/11/so-why-did-that-money-end-up-in-your-wifes-account-mr-martin/

Wake up .

I must say I am no supporter of FF but as it states in the article it is clearly an attempt to raise controversy and reads very 'tabloidish' in nature. Plus Martin has detailed how he gave substantive answers, plus evidence in a tribunal. I can understand why a SF supporter would salivate over it though. Deflects real attention on SF and plays to the demographic.

blackwhite · 25-08-2020 01:10PM

McMurphy wrote: »

No, you're wrong yet again, we have been discussing regulations v guidelines for quite a while now, I even gave numerous hints as to how they differ - eg the gards are investigating Clifden because regulations were clearly broken, they're not investigating anyone for breaking the social distancing guidelines.

And again - the goalposts shifting when you can't make an honest point. You're really letting the mask slip there.

McMurphy wrote: »

Very good, it's almost like we have been discussing Charlie and Michael's travel restrictions being broken, rather than social distancing guidelines being broken.

I'm sure you can point to the post where I mentioned social distancing guidelines.

Both Garda Horkan's funeral and Bobby Storey's funeral appear to have various instances of social distancing being broken.

In addition to that - SF organised a political rally as an interlude to interupt the funeral - that further pissed all over both the guidelines in place at the time and the regulations in force as well. They just lied and tried to claim that the political rally was really part of the funeral to try and find a loophole (just like the hotel in Clifden tried to do with their partitions in the room).

Yet we still get the same SF footsoldiers trying to pretend that holding a political rally half-way through a funeral was the exact same as what happened in Charlestown.

Defend the cult to the end the McM - weren't you on a the Clifden threads throwing insinuations about people's post history showing their agendas? Pot, kettle, black there if ever there was.

Is it just me or have SF vanished?

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