Cycling on paths and other cycling issues (updated title)

breezy1985 · 24-08-2020 11:04AM

Spook_ie wrote: »

No my interpretation is should pedestrians be able to take the law into their own hands, you seem to condone acting in defiance of the law, therefore should pedestrians have the same mindset or is it just limited to some cyclists on here?

If you park a bike to a railing and the owner of said railing isn't happy he will cut your lock in two. Is that criminal damage?

Tea drinker · 24-08-2020 01:05PM

magicbastarder wrote: »

just my daily check in to see if this thread has veered towards any constructive comment, and whoah, based on the above, that's a no.

I'd say you were fairly shocked to see we aren't all giving virtual hugs to each other. Sorry I can't type a longer reply as am driving at the moment

Pinch Flat · 24-08-2020 02:33PM

Tea drinker wrote: »

I'd say you were fairly shocked to see we aren't all giving virtual hugs to each other. Sorry I can't type a longer reply as am driving at the moment

Yeah I nearly dropped my phone while cycling over the sean o'casey bridge earlier.

AndrewJRenko · 24-08-2020 02:53PM

Tea drinker wrote: »

I'd say you were fairly shocked to see we aren't all giving virtual hugs to each other. Sorry I can't type a longer reply as am driving at the moment

Thanks for the update, Phil.

Now throw a hang and cheese sanger on the George Foreman and I'll be over for lunch.

breezy1985 · 24-08-2020 03:41PM

Pinch Flat wrote: »

Yeah I nearly dropped my phone while cycling over the sean o'casey bridge earlier.

Ha I was laughing so much at this I almost didn't see the 2 pedestrians on front of me as I was cycling furiously down the footpath

micar · 24-08-2020 04:54PM

Spook_ie wrote: »

Because there is no cycle lane, there would be if there was a spare bit of white paint left over but as it is there ISN'T.

I wouldn't expect some one to park here because ( though it could do with some paint ) there IS a marked cycle path across the junction

I like the way you used a photo where the lines for the cycle lane have been worn away by the vehicles entering and exiting wherever that is.

One might say there is no cycle lane there at all.

Spook_ie · 24-08-2020 05:50PM

micar wrote: »

I like the way you used a photo where the lines for the cycle lane have been worn away by the vehicles entering and exiting wherever that is.

One might say there is no cycle lane there at all.

I did say it could do with some paint, but then many lane markings need redoing all over Ireland, I'll be sure (NOT) to find some pristine lines for any further examples!

Spook_ie · 24-08-2020 06:23PM

breezy1985 wrote: »

If you park a bike to a railing and the owner of said railing isn't happy he will cut your lock in two. Is that criminal damage?

I would think that if there are notices informing you to not lock bicycles etc. to private property railings then as long as reasonable care is taken of the property and the lock is returned to the owner up on claiming it, then no.

It would seem to be a similar situation to DCC and abandoned bicycles, excepting they tag your bicycle first rather than a property owner tagging the railings.

A grey area but graffiti is clear cut criminal damage.

breezy1985 · 24-08-2020 07:41PM

Spook_ie wrote: »

I would think that if there are notices informing you to not lock bicycles etc. to private property railings then as long as reasonable care is taken of the property and the lock is returned to the owner up on claiming it, then no.

It would seem to be a similar situation to DCC and abandoned bicycles, excepting they tag your bicycle first rather than a property owner tagging the railings.

A grey area but graffiti is clear cut criminal damage.

Lock is returned? its broken in 2 whats the point of returning it.

How the council does it works fine as notice is given and its about clearing abandoned bikes from bike spaces.

I would never write on a window like that but leaving a note is fine
Also in my local shopping centre they use these hard to get off stickers if you park illegally which I am a big fan of.

Spook_ie · 24-08-2020 08:21PM

breezy1985 wrote: »

Lock is returned? its broken in 2 whats the point of returning it.

How the council does it works fine as notice is given and its about clearing abandoned bikes from bike spaces.

I would never write on a window like that but leaving a note is fine
Also in my local shopping centre they use these hard to get off stickers if you park illegally which I am a big fan of.

Because at the end of the day it would still be the property of the owner and is up to them if they want to bin it.

DCC will remove bikes attached to any DCC property but what of the privately owned railings belonging to the various Georgian era buildings, if you own something and have put up warning signs that anything locked to the railings will be removed, where do you think you'll stand, as long as you've been warned and everything is returned to you.

Anyways you are tracking well away from the case of someone causing criminal damage to a parked motor vehicle, that doesn't appear to be breaking any actual parking law and even if it was breaking any restrictions I wouldn't condone vigilante action such as that. Though it would appear that certain posters on here not only condone it but would actively go as far as going equipped to do it.

07Lapierre · 24-08-2020 09:14PM

I'm beginning to realise that this "blocked pavements" issue is no big deal really.

I mean look at this example...
nobody died....the only people inconvenienced by this behaviour are people who walk or maybe drive wheelchairs or maybe are pushed in prams etc. None of these people pay tax and sue probably can't drive either! Muppets!

https://twitter.com/dochara/status/1297536503695003654?s=21

breezy1985 · 24-08-2020 09:31PM

Spook_ie wrote: »

Because at the end of the day it would still be the property of the owner and is up to them if they want to bin it.

DCC will remove bikes attached to any DCC property but what of the privately owned railings belonging to the various Georgian era buildings, if you own something and have put up warning signs that anything locked to the railings will be removed, where do you think you'll stand, as long as you've been warned and everything is returned to you.

Anyways you are tracking well away from the case of someone causing criminal damage to a parked motor vehicle, that doesn't appear to be breaking any actual parking law and even if it was breaking any restrictions I wouldn't condone vigilante action such as that. Though it would appear that certain posters on here not only condone it but would actively go as far as going equipped to do it.

So if a railing doesnt have a sign then its criminal damage?

magicbastarder · 24-08-2020 09:58PM

breezy1985 wrote: »

if you park illegally which I am a big fan of.

could have worded that better!

TaurenDruid · 24-08-2020 10:39PM

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Every hour that a Garda spends chasing cyclists is an hour that could be spent reducing the death toll on the road by enforcing traffic law on those who kill two or three people each week.

I had a really disappointing weekend, to be honest. Brought my 2.75 tonne death machine out three times, after fitting wheel scythes, but didn't get to deploy them at all. Scored zero for the whole weekend, and I usually manage one or two kills. Tomorrow will likely be a write-off too, everyone staying indoors cos of the rain, I'll really have to work to keep my three deaths a week average up! :rolleyes:

Spook_ie · 24-08-2020 11:02PM

breezy1985 wrote: »

So if a railing doesnt have a sign then its criminal damage?

Go ask a solicitor, if there are no signs then I would imagine so, what has locks and railings to do with writing graffiti on a car, which according to Garda.ie IS criminal damage.

TaurenDruid · 24-08-2020 11:07PM

Spook_ie wrote: »

Go ask a solicitor, if there are no signs then I would imagine so, what has locks and railings to do with writing graffiti on a car, which according to Garda.ie IS criminal damage.

It's not too long ago since the gardaí were going around cutting the locks on a load of legally locked-up bikes around Dublin city centre and taking away the bikes, because some British royals were due to walk around bits of town...

SeanW · 24-08-2020 11:20PM

07Lapierre wrote: »

I'm beginning to realise that this "blocked pavements" issue is no big deal really.

I mean look at this example...
nobody died....

Well, that's literally the standard being employed by some here "if you don't die or nobody dies, you have no reason to complain."

Spook_ie · 24-08-2020 11:32PM

TaurenDruid wrote: »

It's not too long ago since the gardaí were going around cutting the locks on a load of legally locked-up bikes around Dublin city centre and taking away the bikes, because some British royals were due to walk around bits of town...

https://www.thejournal.ie/bikes-royal-visit-dublin-gardai-4122028-Jul2018/

And it looks like they were legally empowered to, and it was two bikes not loads according to the news report, anyway how many bikes did they need to remove in 1995

https://www.rte.ie/archives/2016/1101/828356-president-clinton-meets-the-people/

Or in 2011

https://www.rte.ie/news/special-reports/2011/0524/301443-obamacoverage/

breezy1985 · 25-08-2020 09:57AM

Spook_ie wrote: »

Go ask a solicitor, if there are no signs then I would imagine so, what has locks and railings to do with writing graffiti on a car, which according to Garda.ie IS criminal damage.

You said a note written on an illegally parked car is criminal damage.
Breaking the equipment of an illegally parked bike is then also criminal damage.

You made a comment that only cyclists seem to take the law into their own hands in these matters so i challenged that and it seems petty clear to me that you are far more appalled by lipstick on a car than the irreparable breaking of bike equipment

breezy1985 · 25-08-2020 09:58AM

magicbastarder wrote: »

could have worded that better!

Ha the dangers of paraphrasing

AndrewJRenko · 25-08-2020 11:22AM

SeanW wrote: »

Well, that's literally the standard being employed by some here "if you don't die or nobody dies, you have no reason to complain."

Could you point to any actual examples of where some here employed literally that standard please?

TaurenDruid · 25-08-2020 12:07PM

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Could you point to any actual examples of where some here employed literally that standard please?

Read the thread, Andy. You, in fact, prompted its repeated use. Read the thread.

AndrewJRenko · 25-08-2020 12:23PM

TaurenDruid wrote: »

Read the thread, Andy. You, in fact, prompted its repeated use. Read the thread.

So no specific examples then of where some here employed literally that standard then ?

That's a shame.

TaurenDruid · 25-08-2020 12:32PM

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

So no specific examples then of where some here employed literally that standard then ?

That's a shame.

You know where the search function is as well as the rest of us.

kenmm · 25-08-2020 12:37PM

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

So no specific examples then of where some here employed literally that standard then ?

That's a shame.

You know that literally doesn't necessarily mean literally in the traditional sense and can be used simply to emphasise a point?

Spook_ie · 25-08-2020 12:44PM

breezy1985 wrote: »

You said a note written on an illegally parked car is criminal damage.
Breaking the equipment of an illegally parked bike is then also criminal damage.

You made a comment that only cyclists seem to take the law into their own hands in these matters so i challenged that and it seems petty clear to me that you are far more appalled by lipstick on a car than the irreparable breaking of bike equipment

First:- It's not a fvcking note put under the windscreen wiper it's graffiti on his bleedin winda!

Second:- There is absolutely no proof that the car was illegally parked

Third:-You can't illegally park a bike, however, you could attach it to private property or have it obstructing something like a fire escape route there's a difference.

Forth:- Look more closely at the image. do you really, hand on heart, think that it's lipstick, I hand on heart think it's marker pen

DoraDelite · 25-08-2020 01:05PM

Spook_ie wrote: »

Second:- There is absolutely no proof that the car was illegally parked

Parking causing a hazard or obstruction is illegal regardless of lines and signs. This car was parked causing an hazard/obstruction across a busy 24/7 segregated cycle lane. To argue against that is just being ridiculous for the sake of it, this is a well know hot spot for this type of parking and drivers regularly move to cones to abandon their vehicle across the lane.

Spook_ie · 25-08-2020 01:10PM

DoraDelite wrote: »

Parking causing a hazard or obstruction is illegal regardless of lines and signs. This car was parked causing an hazard/obstruction across a busy 24/7 segregated cycle lane. To argue against that is just being ridiculous for the sake of it, this is a well know hot spot for this type of parking and drivers regularly move to cones to abandon their vehicle across the lane.

Do you not think that DCC should do something about it then, how much does a bucket of paint cost?

Suppose that the driver is from out of the area, pulls into the parking and pulls up, exactly what signage is there to alert him to this "busy 24/7 segregated cycle lane"?
AND
Yet another commentator who refuses to acknowledge that writing on the windows of a vehicle is vigilante criminal damage.

magicbastarder · 25-08-2020 01:22PM

Spook_ie wrote: »

exactly what signage is there to alert him to this "busy 24/7 segregated cycle lane"?

are you still talking about the clontarf baths? i guess a motorist can't be expected to see the multiple yellow and black concrete bollards, multiple 'caution: cyclists' messages painted on the ground, the extra plastic bollards...

DoraDelite · 25-08-2020 01:23PM

Spook_ie wrote: »

Do you not think that DCC should do something about it then, how much does a bucket of paint cost?

Suppose that the driver is from out of the area, pulls into the parking and pulls up, exactly what signage is there to alert him to this "busy 24/7 segregated cycle lane"?
AND
Yet another commentator who refuses to acknowledge that writing on the windows of a vehicle is vigilante criminal damage.

Are you being deliberately obtuse? it is clear to anyone who has eyes that there is a cycle path there, parking blocking it is illegal as per my initial comment. It is the same as parking across a dropped kerb or in front of an entrance/exit and across pedestrian crossings, you don't need paint or signs to see what you are parking in front of.

I did not comment on what was written on the car so I didn't refuse to acknowledge it, I challenged your assertion that the car wasn't illegally parked.

Cycling on paths and other cycling issues (updated title)

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