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McMurphy wrote: »

A change of heart from what?

Not calling for resignations or sackings?

McMurphy wrote: »

There's two things to note here Bishop, the first is that I'm not calling for Hogan's resignation or sacking, I'm simply repeating my post from yesterday here.



That Leo and Michaél calling for Hogan's departure is half hearted, if leo really meant it he'd expel him from the FG party.

The second is, even if I was, it would not contradict anything I've already said, nor would it mean I had "a change of heart".

Do you need me to explain the difference in guidelines and regulations?

I'll give you a hint, the Gards are investigating what kind of shît went down in Clifden, but they aren't investigating anyone for the social distancing guidelines being broken.

We went through this yesterday btw.

You're a canny old fox Mc.
I wasn't saying you had mind, just wondering.

Scoondal wrote: »

The Philippines has eradicated corruption. The Philippines now would arrest such elite people. Ireland is now politically worse than The Philippines.
I never thought that I would see this again in Ireland. I should go back to a more normal country.

The Philippines has made "extra-judicial" killings of accused/suspected drug dealers legal.

You're talking nonsense comparing us to that hell.

McMurphy wrote: »

Sigh, I didn't ask you anything about Phil Hogan or his excuses. And there's nothing "semantic nor technical" about the timing of the lockdown - in fact it's extremely binary.

Was the lockdown lifted the day before Storeys funeral?

No - they broke lockdown regulations.

Yes - they didn't break lockdown regulations.

I know this is a difficult time for you, and the facts are unpalatable, but "tuff shït Paddy".

Let's start again shall we.

I will ask again, did you show any condemnation for the social distancing guidelines being broken by mourners at Garda Horkans funeral, or are you somehow under the impression that covid can only be contracted and subsequently spread by certain individuals depending on political allegiance, or depending on whos funeral they are attending.

I see no reason whatsoever to bother my backside responding to any of your typical and predictable absolute nonsensy and baloney until you acknowledge and answer that.

Thanks in advance.

As has been explained to you many times, changes to the regulations were announced the day before Storeys funeral but the regulations weren’t changed until the day after. You rely on the technical argument that the announce,ent was the day before to excuse them - a typical Phil Hogan argument.

Even then, the funeral broke all kinds of regulations. Belfast City Council has already apologised to other mourners over their failure to stop the illegal funeral. Not only that, but the funeral was a fake political pageant, when he wasn’t even buried at the graveyard, therefore it didn’t even fall under the exceptions for a funeral.

You only need to look at the dignified way that the Hume family dealt with the loss of a giant of a man compared to the way SF acted for the Storey funeral. Even then, the biggest story was SF complaining they didn’t get enough invites to the Hume funeral, what did they want? Some of his relatives left aside.

You can keep coming up with your Phil Hogan defence of all things Sinn Fein, but the blatant hypocrisy stinks to high heaven. Plenty of Shinners on here are always quoting the innocent until proven guilty line when it comes to their own little rats and sleevens but they call for heads immediately when the shoe is on the other foot.

As I said already, politicians must pay the prices, Dara Calleary is no longer Deputy Leader of FF because he broke the guidelines, your hero Mary-Lou is still leader despite her doing the same.

It is all very 1930s Germany, with the mob ignoring the bad behaviour of their own.

McMurphy wrote: »

Did you address the question I asked earlier ref Garda Horkans funeral, and mourners breaking social distancing at it, and if you condemn same?

Because if not, I will in my shyte be wading through that wall of waffle text - simple as that.

Yeah, you moved the goalposts neatly and have refused to answer whether Mary-Lou should follow Calleary’s example and reign from her party post for breach of Covid-19 guidelines. Whataboutery someone something else doesn’t come into it now.

Bowie wrote: »

If that's your thoughts on the Garda Horkan/Storey funeral, what do you think of so many levels of state doing same for a golf piss up? You must be livid.

If attending a funeral has you inferring Nazism, what must you think of FG a party born from it and furthermore, Councillor O'Leary coming out in admiration of them?

You only need to look at the men in white shirts lining the streets in formation in tribute to Bobby Storey to see the comparison with 1930s Germany.

Those two photos really spell it out.

If SF want Phil et all to resign, then surely MoN and MLMD have to resign as well, for organising this cluster ****, which also warranted a police investigation, or are SF somehow above the law and different?

Bowie wrote: »

The Garda, Flano and the shinners were at a funeral and although they should have socially distanced I'd view a funeral different to a golf piss up. That said Hogan did more damage to FG than anything and his resignation would be for optics. All these things don't excuse or cancel out each other. The electorate will ultimately decide.
How do you feel about the golf piss up and those in attendance?

You didn't answer the question, why should the SF leadership retain their positions of power, when people are after Phil, Dara, Jerry Buttimer etc..
Are you trying to argue that SF are special and different?

McMurphy wrote: »

He literally just said he didn't expect Sinn Fein members to resign for breaking social distancing measures, the same as he wouldn't expect Flanagan/Ring to either because a funeral is an entirely different thing to a piss up golfing event.

So again, SF are different.

We all know what you are trying to do here, muddy the waters with some false equivalence. Using the funeral of a Garda as a mud-shield against the cluster **** that was the Bobby Storey funeral that had thousands more at it.

The funeral for the Garda was massively scaled down, but the one for Bobby Storey went ahead with little changes, Republican style.

They even marched his body all the way to the cemetery where there were lots of speeches, then he was cremated miles and miles away.
It was a political event for a political party.

It is nonsense to try and claim both funerals flouted the laws the same way,in the same manner, with the same numbers....

And what is worse, SF lied about it after, claiming falsely that the PSNI was involved organising it, which was a lie.
There is a police investigation currently underway about this funeral.

Then to cap it all off, at the crematorium, they literally took it over, so much so, other families were not able to say goodbye to their own loved ones as the old guard of the Provos lay claim... that was, in my opinion, the worst of it.