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blanch152 · 24-08-2020 10:48PM

McMurphy wrote: »

Did you address the question I asked earlier ref Garda Horkans funeral, and mourners breaking social distancing at it, and if you condemn same?

Because if not, I will in my shyte be wading through that wall of waffle text - simple as that.

Yeah, you moved the goalposts neatly and have refused to answer whether Mary-Lou should follow Calleary’s example and reign from her party post for breach of Covid-19 guidelines. Whataboutery someone something else doesn’t come into it now.

McMurphy · 24-08-2020 10:53PM

blanch152 wrote: »

Yeah, you moved the goalposts neatly and have refused to answer whether Mary-Lou should follow Calleary’s example and reign from her party post for breach of Covid-19 guidelines. Whataboutery someone something else doesn’t come into it now.

Guidelines are not the same thing as regulations, that's why the Gardai aren't investigating anyone for breaking them.

Nothing about the Garda Funeral so?

That's grand, I'll type out a stock response from here on in on this thread until I get one.

James Brown · 24-08-2020 11:18PM

blanch152 wrote: »

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It is all very 1930s Germany, with the mob ignoring the bad behaviour of their own.

If that's your thoughts on the Garda Horkan/Storey funeral, what do you think of so many levels of state doing same for a golf piss up? You must be livid.

If attending a funeral has you inferring Nazism, what must you think of FG a party born from it and furthermore, Councillor O'Leary coming out in admiration of them?

blanch152 · 24-08-2020 11:20PM

McMurphy wrote: »

Guidelines are not the same thing as regulations, that's why the Gardai aren't investigating anyone for breaking them.

Nothing about the Garda Funeral so?

That's grand, I'll type out a stock response from here on in on this thread until I get one.

That is exactly the type of answer that Phil Hogan would give - guidelines aren’t regulations. That is your pathetic defence of Mary-Lou, well it doesn’t stand up to any scrutiny. Maybe, like Phil, you will tell us next, it was all part of the job.

When we have finished comparing the Storey funeral to the Golf 81, we can then divert onto other cases, but I won’t let you slip away easy like that.

Guidelines aren’t regulations, didn’t Bertie say something like that to one of the Tribunals?

blanch152 · 24-08-2020 11:22PM

Bowie wrote: »

If that's your thoughts on the Garda Horkan/Storey funeral, what do you think of so many levels of state doing same for a golf piss up? You must be livid.

If attending a funeral has you inferring Nazism, what must you think of FG a party born from it and furthermore, Councillor O'Leary coming out in admiration of them?

You only need to look at the men in white shirts lining the streets in formation in tribute to Bobby Storey to see the comparison with 1930s Germany.

James Brown · 24-08-2020 11:31PM

blanch152 wrote: »

You only need to look at the men in white shirts lining the streets in formation in tribute to Bobby Storey to see the comparison with 1930s Germany.

So its the shirts and ties? Lining the streets?

McMurphy · 24-08-2020 11:35PM

blanch152 wrote: »

That is exactly the type of answer that Phil Hogan would give - guidelines aren’t regulations. That is your pathetic defence of Mary-Lou, well it doesn’t stand up to any scrutiny. Maybe, like Phil, you will tell us next, it was all part of the job.

When we have finished comparing the Storey funeral to the Golf 81, we can then divert onto other cases, but I won’t let you slip away easy like that.

Guidelines aren’t regulations, didn’t Bertie say something like that to one of the Tribunals?

Sigh.... Strangely enough it's only you that wants to compare the "Storey funeral with the Golf 81" I am trying to compare Storey funeral with another funeral, but you keep running away from that one, seems to be a thorny issue for you or something.

So in lieu....

**Stock response coming up.

Do you think Charlie Flanagan should resign from Fine Gael for breaking social distancing guidelines at a funeral, the same as you expect MLMD to resign for the exact same thing?

/Stock response**

James Brown · 24-08-2020 11:40PM

McMurphy wrote: »

**Stock response coming up.

Do you think Charlie Flanagan should resign from Fine Gael for breaking social distancing guidelines at a funeral, the same as you expect MLMD to resign for the exact same thing?

/Stock response**

1930's era Shinner snook in down the bottom there.

Fann Linn · 24-08-2020 11:40PM

Those two photos really spell it out.

McMurphy · 24-08-2020 11:46PM

Fann Linn wrote: »

Those two photos really spell it out.

Before any of the "long distance lens men" come along, check out this one.

Both clearly flouting the covid guidelines (at a funeral).

Blanch believes in sauce for the goose etc I assume?

markodaly · 24-08-2020 11:54PM

If SF want Phil et all to resign, then surely MoN and MLMD have to resign as well, for organising this cluster ****, which also warranted a police investigation, or are SF somehow above the law and different?

James Brown · 25-08-2020 12:02AM

markodaly wrote: »

If SF want Phil et all to resign, then surely MoN and MLMD have to resign as well, for organising this cluster ****, which also warranted a police investigation, or are SF somehow above the law and different?

The Garda, Flano and the shinners were at a funeral and although they should have socially distanced I'd view a funeral different to a golf piss up. That said Hogan did more damage to FG than anything and his resignation would be for optics. All these things don't excuse or cancel out each other. The electorate will ultimately decide.
How do you feel about the golf piss up and those in attendance?

markodaly · 25-08-2020 12:06AM

Bowie wrote: »

The Garda, Flano and the shinners were at a funeral and although they should have socially distanced I'd view a funeral different to a golf piss up. That said Hogan did more damage to FG than anything and his resignation would be for optics. All these things don't excuse or cancel out each other. The electorate will ultimately decide.
How do you feel about the golf piss up and those in attendance?

You didn't answer the question, why should the SF leadership retain their positions of power, when people are after Phil, Dara, Jerry Buttimer etc..
Are you trying to argue that SF are special and different?

joseywhales · 25-08-2020 12:10AM

God the only thing I hate more than politicians at funerals looking to be photographed is unemployed 20 year olds in balaclavas showing up at victims funerals without permission or the request of family members.

The whole thing is embarrassing hijacking funerals or using them for political reasons.

James Brown · 25-08-2020 12:13AM

markodaly wrote: »

You didn't answer the question, why should the SF leadership retain their positions of power, when people are after Phil, Dara, Jerry Buttimer etc..
Are you trying to argue that SF are special and different?

I've directly asked you a number of times to give your view and you've ignored it.

No, SF are no different to the Garda or FG's Flanagan or Ring. I wouldn't expect them to resign no. They should have socially distanced and were wrong not to IMO.
The golf piss up is about the event, resignations would be for optics and won't change anything for the self entitled elitest people who attended.
What do you think of the golf function and those who attended?

markodaly · 25-08-2020 12:18AM

Bowie wrote: »

I wouldn't expect them to resign no.

So one rule for SF hierarchy, another rule for other political parties.

James Brown · 25-08-2020 12:22AM

markodaly wrote: »

So one rule for SF hierarchy, another rule for other political parties.

not at all. You missed a bit.

"No, SF are no different to the Garda or FG's Flanagan or Ring. I wouldn't expect them to resign no."

You dodged my question again. You make a big song and dance if yours go unanswered.

McMurphy · 25-08-2020 12:24AM

markodaly wrote: »

So one rule for SF hierarchy, another rule for other political parties.

He literally just said he didn't expect Sinn Fein members to resign for breaking social distancing measures, the same as he wouldn't expect Flanagan/Ring to either because a funeral is an entirely different thing to a piss up golfing event.

Blanch wouldn't answer, maybe I'll have better luck with yourself.

Do you think Flanagan/Feighan/Ring or members of AGS who could be seen breaking social distancing guidelines at Garda Horkans funeral should be sacked/resign from their posts and if not, why do you think Sinn Fein members should - but those in attendance at Garda Horkans funeral should not, and bear in mind it's a virus that doesn't give a toss who it infects or how many people it can reinfect from its new host before the Public Servant v Shinner card gets pulled out.

Maybe you'll have the courage blanch clearly lacks and will answer it.

markodaly · 25-08-2020 12:33AM

McMurphy wrote: »

He literally just said he didn't expect Sinn Fein members to resign for breaking social distancing measures, the same as he wouldn't expect Flanagan/Ring to either because a funeral is an entirely different thing to a piss up golfing event.

So again, SF are different.

We all know what you are trying to do here, muddy the waters with some false equivalence. Using the funeral of a Garda as a mud-shield against the cluster **** that was the Bobby Storey funeral that had thousands more at it.

The funeral for the Garda was massively scaled down, but the one for Bobby Storey went ahead with little changes, Republican style.

They even marched his body all the way to the cemetery where there were lots of speeches, then he was cremated miles and miles away.
It was a political event for a political party.

It is nonsense to try and claim both funerals flouted the laws the same way,in the same manner, with the same numbers....

And what is worse, SF lied about it after, claiming falsely that the PSNI was involved organising it, which was a lie.
There is a police investigation currently underway about this funeral.

Then to cap it all off, at the crematorium, they literally took it over, so much so, other families were not able to say goodbye to their own loved ones as the old guard of the Provos lay claim... that was, in my opinion, the worst of it.

James Brown · 25-08-2020 12:39AM

markodaly wrote: »

So again, SF are different.

Says who? They should no more resign than Flanagan and Ring. So exactly the same. Third time that's been told to you.

So, what's your view on the golf piss up and those in attendance?

McMurphy · 25-08-2020 12:47AM

markodaly wrote: »

So again, SF are different.

We all know what you are trying to do here, muddy the waters with some false equivalence. Using the funeral of a Garda as a mud-shield against the cluster **** that was the Bobby Storey funeral that had thousands more at it.

The funeral for the Garda was massively scaled down, but the one for Bobby Storey went ahead with little changes, Republican style.

They even marched his body all the way to the cemetery where there were lots of speeches, then he was cremated miles and miles away.
It was a political event for a political party.

It is nonsense to try and claim both funerals flouted the laws the same way,in the same manner, with the same numbers....

And what is worse, SF lied about it after, claiming falsely that the PSNI was involved organising it, which was a lie.
There is a police investigation currently underway about this funeral.

Then to cap it all off, at the crematorium, they literally took it over, so much so, other families were not able to say goodbye to their own loved ones as the old guard of the Provos lay claim... that was, in my opinion, the worst of it.

Ahem..

and bear in mind it's a virus that doesn't give a toss who it infects or how many people it can reinfect from its new host before the Public Servant v Shinner card gets pulled out.

And you didn't answer the question regardless. Let's try again.

Do you think Flanagan/Feighan/Ring or members of AGS who could be seen breaking social distancing guidelines at Garda Horkans funeral should be sacked/resign from their posts and if not, why do you think Sinn Fein members should - but those in attendance at Garda Horkans funeral should not,

Yes or no please..

joseywhales · 25-08-2020 12:51AM

Well the Garda was murdered while on duty defending the Irish people and upholding our laws. It makes sense that members of government would be present to show respect publicly for a man who made the ultimate sacrifice for ireland.

Bobby storey was not that.

Apart from that I guess it was similar in that it was a funeral.

markodaly · 25-08-2020 12:53AM

McMurphy wrote: »

Ahem..

Muddy the water, deflect, false equivalences...etc..
Par of the course.

SF can deny other families giving their loved ones a send-off and you seem to be ok with that.

James Brown · 25-08-2020 12:54AM

joseywhales wrote: »

Well the Garda was murdered while on duty defending the Irish people and upholding our laws. It makes sense that members of government would be present to show respect publicly for a man who made the ultimate sacrifice for ireland.

Bobby storey was not that.

Apart from that I guess it was similar in that it was a funeral.

What's Covids view on this? The discussion is on flouting social distancing not which family of the deceased deserve the least vitriol.

joseywhales · 25-08-2020 12:55AM

Bowie wrote: »

What's Covids view on this? The discussion is on flouting social distancing not which family of the deceased deserve the least vitriol.

Neither deserve vitriol, did I suggest such a discussion?

James Brown · 25-08-2020 12:57AM

joseywhales wrote: »

Neither deserve vitriol, did I suggest such a discussion?

You were comparing the men like Covid would treat the mourners differently.

McMurphy · 25-08-2020 12:59AM

joseywhales wrote: »

Well the Garda was murdered while on duty defending the Irish people and upholding our laws. It makes sense that members of government would be present to show respect publicly for a man who made the ultimate sacrifice for ireland.

Bobby storey was not that.

Apart from that I guess it was similar in that it was a funeral.

The virus doesn't care about any of that. It will infect mourners of a funeral regardless of their political allegiance, religious beliefs, colour or creed. Not sure why you mentioned it tbh.

markodaly wrote: »

Muddy the water, deflect, false equivalences...etc..
Par of the course.

SF can deny other families giving their loved ones a send-off and you seem to be ok with that.

So you're not going to answer it either?

Do you think Flanagan/Feighan/Ring or members of AGS who could be seen breaking social distancing guidelines at Garda Horkans funeral should be sacked/resign from their posts and if not, why do you think Sinn Fein members should - but those in attendance at Garda Horkans funeral should not,

It is a sad reflection on the intelligence levels of posters who brought up something their own ministers and TDs had been at days before - to call for opposition party's to resign for doing the exact same thing.

Especially so, as one predated the other - and their wasn't a word from anyone.

Gumption anyone?

joseywhales · 25-08-2020 01:09AM

I mentioned it because members of government had a duty to attend a murdered garda's funeral. It was their job to attend. No such official requirement for bobby storey. Now both should have had restrictions respected in my opinion but for one of the men their was a duty to attend.

dundalkfc10 · 25-08-2020 01:18AM

joseywhales wrote: »

I mentioned it because members of government had a duty to attend a murdered garda's funeral. It was their job to attend. No such official requirement for bobby storey. Now both should have had restrictions respected in my opinion but for one of the men their was a duty to attend.

So your saying its ok to not social distance at one funeral but not another because of the circumstances of the funeral?

Any chance you played golf last week?

James Brown · 25-08-2020 01:22AM

joseywhales wrote: »

I mentioned it because members of government had a duty to attend a murdered garda's funeral. It was their job to attend. No such official requirement for bobby storey. Now both should have had restrictions respected in my opinion but for one of the men their was a duty to attend.

Thats odd. We tell families to keep the numbers down if allowed attend at all and socially distance if they do but a couple of politicians are exempt? Again, covid doesn't care.

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