FF/FG/Green Next Government

blanch152 · 24-08-2020 02:31PM

Hawthorn Tree wrote: »

Have you any comment on the Clifden 81 that doesn't involve Sinn Fein? Sad.

I have plenty of comments on politicians breaking Covid-19 restrictions, and welcome those who have accepted the inevitability and resigned from their posts and their positions within parties. I am applying the same standard to all.

McMurphy · 24-08-2020 02:35PM

blanch152 wrote: »

You have used semantic technical arguments about the timing of lockdowns to defend Sinn Fein attendance at the funeral of a criminal thug, those arguments look similar enough to Phil Hogan's.

I don't accept either, by the way.

Sigh, I didn't ask you anything about Phil Hogan or his excuses. And there's nothing "semantic nor technical" about the timing of the lockdown - in fact it's extremely binary.

Was the lockdown lifted the day before Storeys funeral?

No - they broke lockdown regulations.

Yes - they didn't break lockdown regulations.

I know this is a difficult time for you, and the facts are unpalatable, but "tuff shït Paddy".

Let's start again shall we.

I will ask again, did you show any condemnation for the social distancing guidelines being broken by mourners at Garda Horkans funeral, or are you somehow under the impression that covid can only be contracted and subsequently spread by certain individuals depending on political allegiance, or depending on whos funeral they are attending.

I see no reason whatsoever to bother my backside responding to any of your typical and predictable absolute nonsensy and baloney until you acknowledge and answer that.

Thanks in advance.

Hawthorn Tree · 24-08-2020 02:36PM

blanch152 wrote: »

I have plenty of comments on politicians breaking Covid-19 restrictions, and welcome those who have accepted the inevitability and resigned from their posts and their positions within parties. I am applying the same standard to all.

Can you point to one post on the Clifden jolly for FFG and their banking/legal friends that broke brand new restrictions which did not allow for any events except weddings? There were 81 people at it. Any posts specifically on any of those 81?

FrancieBrady · 24-08-2020 02:50PM

blanch152 wrote: »

Not funny or strange at all.

The constitutional separation of powers applies in the case of the Supreme Court, not in the case of the other tribunal.

Martin was asked this morning about setting up a select committee under the https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/bills/bill/2017/70/

he agreed that it was possible but dangerous and he waffled out of explaining why and was let away with it by Claire Byrne.

Brendan Bendar · 24-08-2020 04:51PM

RandomViewer wrote: »

Weather was brilliant, bit cloudy today but warm, everyone is tanned, check the weather record for the last 3 weeks if you dont believe me, we do have more beaches than any other county and ours are sand not gravel. More arable land than most of the West as well. Get the impression that your only knowledge of Donegal comes from an episode of Batchelors Walk

I’m afraid you would be very wrong there....

RandomViewer · 24-08-2020 04:59PM

blanch152 wrote: »

You have used semantic technical arguments about the timing of lockdowns to defend Sinn Fein attendance at the funeral of a criminal thug, those arguments look similar enough to Phil Hogan's.

I don't accept either, by the way.

Can't see how the 2 funerals can be compared to a lock in in Connemara , Horkans was a breach, Storeys was a breach but both were outside and didn't last as long as Phil the fxxkers
Ball

James Brown · 24-08-2020 05:05PM

FG must be right browned off with Big Phil. It was looking like Calleary was the big story and all FG had to do was keep 2 meters distance. Now it's flipped and he's not even a government minister.
Be interesting to see the next polls alright.

Up to the Judiciary as to whether Woulfe gets some form of comeuppance. As Howlin said, it's a test. Interesting stuff.

FrancieBrady · 24-08-2020 05:09PM

Bowie wrote: »

FG must be right browned off with Big Phil. It was looking like Calleary was the big story and all FG had to do was keep 2 meters distance. Now it's flipped and he's not even a government minister.
Be interesting to see the next polls alright.

Up to the Judiciary at to whether Woulfe gets some form of comeuppance. As Howlin said, it's a test. Interesting stuff.

Martin has outsmarted Leo here. Having his TD's on the airwaves first thing this morning calling for Hogan's resignation was smart. Bigger hitter too in McNamara. Judge has the FG links too.

McMurphy · 24-08-2020 05:14PM

RandomViewer wrote: »

Can't see how the 2 funerals can be compared to a lock in in Connemara , Horkans was a breach, Storeys was a breach but both were outside and didn't last as long as Phil the fxxkers
Ball

Good luck with that, I have been attempting to get some around here to hold their hands up and admit that the mourners broke guidelines at Garda Horkans funeral just the same as the Mourners for Bobby Storeys funeral broke the guidelines.......

"But SF SF SF SF SF SF SF" is all I receive back though.

Perhaps you will have better luck than I, but don't hold your breath.

Fann Linn · 24-08-2020 05:20PM

McMurphy wrote: »

Sigh, I didn't ask you anything about Phil Hogan or his excuses. And there's nothing "semantic nor technical" about the timing of the lockdown - in fact it's extremely binary.

Was the lockdown lifted the day before Storeys funeral?

No - they broke lockdown regulations.

Yes - they didn't break lockdown regulations.

I know this is a difficult time for you, and the facts are unpalatable, but "tuff shït Paddy".

Let's start again shall we.

I will ask again, did you show any condemnation for the social distancing guidelines being broken by mourners at Garda Horkans funeral, or are you somehow under the impression that covid can only be contracted and subsequently spread by certain individuals depending on political allegiance, or depending on whos funeral they are attending.

I see no reason whatsoever to bother my backside responding to any of your typical and predictable absolute nonsensy and baloney until you acknowledge and answer that.

Thanks in advance.

You won't get an answer to that one. It's a question the FG shills on here and elsewhere try to avoid, despite them ironically bringing up Storey's funeral in the first place.
Trolls, I'd say.

Floppybits · 24-08-2020 05:22PM

McMurphy wrote: »

Good luck with that, I have been attempting to get some around here to hold their hands up and admit that the mourners broke guidelines at Garda Horkans funeral just the same as the Mourners for Bobby Storeys funeral broke the guidelines.......

"But SF SF SF SF SF SF SF" is all I receive back though.

Perhaps you will have better luck than I, but don't hold your breath.

Looks like all those folks have gone into hiding with the likes of Hayes and Woulfe.

I see that Sean O'Rourkes return to RTE has been cancelled by mutual consent. The others will be digging deeper under that rock now.

Hawthorn Tree · 24-08-2020 05:31PM

Bowie wrote: »

FG must be right browned off with Big Phil. It was looking like Calleary was the big story and all FG had to do was keep 2 meters distance. Now it's flipped and he's not even a government minister.
Be interesting to see the next polls alright.

Up to the Judiciary as to whether Woulfe gets some form of comeuppance. As Howlin said, it's a test. Interesting stuff.

Totally agree. FF acted faster than I expected and Dara walked the plank.

All the focus then went back on FG/Leo and they were found wanting.
I know Killilea was an MEP but why was Phil there at all? He must love his golf.

Muahahaha · 24-08-2020 05:46PM

Hawthorn Tree wrote: »

This government is just 58 days old.

Unbelievable that so much has happened in that time. Shambolic.

58 days!

Im still waiting for the 'strong and stable' government that FFG promised us. Right from the off it has been an absolute sh1tshow
-Leo retaining an aide de camp even though he is no longer Taoiseach
-Coveney getting a Garda driver
-Cowen drink driving with no license, a drip drip scandal that lasted two weeks
-17 special advisors needed for the 3 party leaders
-Eamon Ryan falls asleep in the Dail to wake up and vote down legislation on the most low paid
-Catherine Connolly gets voted Leas Cheann Comhairle after FG TDs disobey their own whip
-PUP payments stopped for anyone going on holiday and then 48 hours later Heather Humphreys does a 180 degree U turn and reverses the policy
And now we have 81 FFG heads on a piss up at a golf dinner in Galway after the whole country made sacrifices for the last six months. Plus the Invisible Minister Norma Foley, schools just a few days back from returning and she is no-where to be seen

'Strong and stable' government it certainly ain't, FFG have been a complete omnishamble and clusterfcuk and we are only 58 days in to what is supposed to over 1,500 days of government.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Update:

This has now accounted for the following

A TD and Minister
A Leas Ceann Comhairle in the Seanad
A vice chairman of FF
6 Whips lost
A supreme Court judge under fire
An EU commissioner gone rogue in Europe
Deputy Leader of Fianna Fail

We can add the end of Sean o'Rourkes RTE broadcasting career to that list

Fann Linn · 24-08-2020 05:49PM

Muahahaha wrote: »

Im still waiting for the 'strong and stable' government that FFG promised us. Right from the off it has been an absolute sh1tshow
-Leo retaining an aide de camp even though he is no longer Taoiseach
-Coveney getting a Garda driver
-Cowen drink driving with no license, a drip drip scandal that lasted two weeks
-17 special advisors needed for the 3 party leaders
-Eamon Ryan falls asleep in the Dail to wake up and vote down legislation on the most low paid
-Catherine Connolly gets voted Leas Cheann Comhairle after FG TDs disobey their own whip
-PUP payments stopped for anyone going on holiday and then 48 hours later Heather Humphreys does a 180 degree U turn and reverses the policy
And now we have 81 FFG heads on a piss up at a golf dinner in Galway after the whole country made sacrifices for the last six months. Plus the Invisible Minister Norma Foley, schools just a few days back from returning and she is no-where to be seen

'Strong and stable' government it certainly ain't, FFG have been a complete omnishamble and clusterfcuk and we are only 58 days in to what is supposed to over 1,500 days of government.

We can add the end of Sean o'Rourkes RTE broadcasting career to that list

And Chief Justice Frank Clarke has asked former supreme Court Judge Susan Denholm to compile a report on Woulfe's attendance.
More to follow by the looks of things. Hope the meal was worth it.

McMurphy · 24-08-2020 05:54PM

Leo and Michaél might not have the authority or ability to sack Hogan from his EU commissioner role.

However, has his membership from the law and order party been revoked?

Pretty sure Leo can do something there.

Remember folks, "we're all in this together"

TheCitizen · 24-08-2020 06:42PM

Hogan has always been an arrogant chancer and gombeenman. That letter that he wrote about travelers for a constituent, he should've been sacked for that alone. Would be good to see him get his comeuppance, of course he'll retire into obscurity a fat cat with all his pensions. He should be stripped of all of them. An arrogant ignorant smug gombeen.

Eric Cartman · 24-08-2020 06:50PM

TheCitizen wrote: »

Hogan has always been an arrogant chancer and gombeenman. That letter that he wrote about travelers for a constituent, he should've been sacked for that alone. Would be good to see him get his comeuppance, of course he'll retire into obscurity a fat cat with all his pensions. He should be stripped of all of them. An arrogant ignorant smug gombeen.

THE Traveller at the centre of the Phil Hogan letter row appeared in court in recent weeks on theft charges.

Patrick Carthy (32) was given 12 months' probation for taking cash from a garden centre on the Callan Road in Kilkenny.

He was also fined earlier this year for trespassing on a property and driving an animal-drawn vehicle while under the influence of alcohol.

And court records show at least two further convictions in the last seven years.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/traveller-in-phil-hogan-row-was-convicted-of-stealing-cash-28817253.html

ill criticise hogan for a lot of things, but protecting his consituents from that horror show family is not one of them.

FrancieBrady · 24-08-2020 07:04PM

Fann Linn wrote: »

And Chief Justice Frank Clarke has asked former supreme Court Judge Susan Denholm to compile a report on Woulfe's attendance.
More to follow by the looks of things. Hope the meal was worth it.

Not ending up well for FG at all, their judge being investigated and a high profile member gone rogue and openly defying the Tanaiste and Taoiseach of the country, not to mention the wishes of a lot of the people. Throw in telling lies to his superior in Brussels who requires further clarification.

TheCitizen · 24-08-2020 07:11PM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/traveller-in-phil-hogan-row-was-convicted-of-stealing-cash-28817253.html

ill criticise hogan for a lot of things, but protecting his consituents from that horror show family is not one of them.

There was other cases with gombeen Phil, that was the only one I could think of. He had to resign before in 1995 as Minister for State for the Department of finance for budget details being leaked. He has form does Hogan.

Bishop of hope · 24-08-2020 07:46PM

McMurphy wrote: »

Leo and Michaél might not have the authority or ability to sack Hogan from his EU commissioner role.

However, has his membership from the law and order party been revoked?

Pretty sure Leo can do something there.

Remember folks, "we're all in this together"

A change of heart today?

James Brown · 24-08-2020 08:28PM

Bishop of hope wrote: »

A change of heart today?

I can't see him resigning. It'll be an awkward few days for him but he won't give a f***.

McMurphy · 24-08-2020 08:32PM

Bishop of hope wrote: »

A change of heart today?

A change of heart from what?

Bishop of hope · 24-08-2020 08:35PM

McMurphy wrote: »

A change of heart from what?

Not calling for resignations or sackings?

McMurphy · 24-08-2020 09:03PM

Bishop of hope wrote: »

Not calling for resignations or sackings?

There's two things to note here Bishop, the first is that I'm not calling for Hogan's resignation or sacking, I'm simply repeating my post from yesterday here.

McMurphy wrote: »

Making the correct noise, but it's half hearted I reckon.

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1297259571543715842?s=09

That Leo and Michaél calling for Hogan's departure is half hearted, if leo really meant it he'd expel him from the FG party.

The second is, even if I was, it would not contradict anything I've already said, nor would it mean I had "a change of heart".

Do you need me to explain the difference in guidelines and regulations?

I'll give you a hint, the Gards are investigating what kind of shît went down in Clifden, but they aren't investigating anyone for the social distancing guidelines being broken.

We went through this yesterday btw.

Bishop of hope · 24-08-2020 09:15PM

McMurphy wrote: »

There's two things to note here Bishop, the first is that I'm not calling for Hogan's resignation or sacking, I'm simply repeating my post from yesterday here.

That Leo and Michaél calling for Hogan's departure is half hearted, if leo really meant it he'd expel him from the FG party.

The second is, even if I was, it would not contradict anything I've already said, nor would it mean I had "a change of heart".

Do you need me to explain the difference in guidelines and regulations?

I'll give you a hint, the Gards are investigating what kind of shît went down in Clifden, but they aren't investigating anyone for the social distancing guidelines being broken.

We went through this yesterday btw.

You're a canny old fox Mc.

I wasn't saying you had mind, just wondering.

Higgins5473 · 24-08-2020 09:22PM

McMurphy wrote: »

There's two things to note here Bishop, the first is that I'm not calling for Hogan's resignation or sacking, I'm simply repeating my post from yesterday here.

That Leo and Michaél calling for Hogan's departure is half hearted, if leo really meant it he'd expel him from the FG party.

The second is, even if I was, it would not contradict anything I've already said, nor would it mean I had "a change of heart".

Do you need me to explain the difference in guidelines and regulations?

I'll give you a hint, the Gards are investigating what kind of shît went down in Clifden, but they aren't investigating anyone for the social distancing guidelines being broken.

We went through this yesterday btw.

Half hearted, i would describe more as totally disingenuous. They've also both been totally humiliated by asking him resign and he just ignored it. And Leo on the radio then saying all he had wanted was an apology not a resignation.

BonnieSituation · 24-08-2020 10:15PM

Scoondal wrote: »

The Philippines has eradicated corruption. The Philippines now would arrest such elite people. Ireland is now politically worse than The Philippines.
I never thought that I would see this again in Ireland. I should go back to a more normal country.

The Philippines has made "extra-judicial" killings of accused/suspected drug dealers legal.

You're talking nonsense comparing us to that hell.

BonnieSituation · 24-08-2020 10:17PM

Scoondal wrote: »

The government are telling a supposedly independant media what to do ?
Does anyone think that this is normal in a democratic republic ?

Embargoes are not new.

To think this is out of line shows how little you know about the media landscape and how it works.

Nonsense.

blanch152 · 24-08-2020 10:42PM

McMurphy wrote: »

Sigh, I didn't ask you anything about Phil Hogan or his excuses. And there's nothing "semantic nor technical" about the timing of the lockdown - in fact it's extremely binary.

Was the lockdown lifted the day before Storeys funeral?

No - they broke lockdown regulations.

Yes - they didn't break lockdown regulations.

I know this is a difficult time for you, and the facts are unpalatable, but "tuff shït Paddy".

Let's start again shall we.

I will ask again, did you show any condemnation for the social distancing guidelines being broken by mourners at Garda Horkans funeral, or are you somehow under the impression that covid can only be contracted and subsequently spread by certain individuals depending on political allegiance, or depending on whos funeral they are attending.

I see no reason whatsoever to bother my backside responding to any of your typical and predictable absolute nonsensy and baloney until you acknowledge and answer that.

Thanks in advance.

As has been explained to you many times, changes to the regulations were announced the day before Storeys funeral but the regulations weren’t changed until the day after. You rely on the technical argument that the announce,ent was the day before to excuse them - a typical Phil Hogan argument.

Even then, the funeral broke all kinds of regulations. Belfast City Council has already apologised to other mourners over their failure to stop the illegal funeral. Not only that, but the funeral was a fake political pageant, when he wasn’t even buried at the graveyard, therefore it didn’t even fall under the exceptions for a funeral.

You only need to look at the dignified way that the Hume family dealt with the loss of a giant of a man compared to the way SF acted for the Storey funeral. Even then, the biggest story was SF complaining they didn’t get enough invites to the Hume funeral, what did they want? Some of his relatives left aside.

You can keep coming up with your Phil Hogan defence of all things Sinn Fein, but the blatant hypocrisy stinks to high heaven. Plenty of Shinners on here are always quoting the innocent until proven guilty line when it comes to their own little rats and sleevens but they call for heads immediately when the shoe is on the other foot.

As I said already, politicians must pay the prices, Dara Calleary is no longer Deputy Leader of FF because he broke the guidelines, your hero Mary-Lou is still leader despite her doing the same.

It is all very 1930s Germany, with the mob ignoring the bad behaviour of their own.

McMurphy · 24-08-2020 10:44PM

blanch152 wrote: »

As has been explained to you many times, changes to the regulations were announced the day before Storeys funeral but the regulations weren’t changed until the day after. You rely on the technical argument that the announce,ent was the day before to excuse them - a typical Phil Hogan argument.

Even then, the funeral broke all kinds of regulations. Belfast City Council has already apologised to other mourners over their failure to stop the illegal funeral. Not only that, but the funeral was a fake political pageant, when he wasn’t even buried at the graveyard, therefore it didn’t even fall under the exceptions for a funeral.

You only need to look at the dignified way that the Hume family dealt with the loss of a giant of a man compared to the way SF acted for the Storey funeral. Even then, the biggest story was SF complaining they didn’t get enough invites to the Hume funeral, what did they want? Some of his relatives left aside.

You can keep coming up with your Phil Hogan defence of all things Sinn Fein, but the blatant hypocrisy stinks to high heaven. Plenty of Shinners on here are always quoting the innocent until proven guilty line when it comes to their own little rats and sleevens but they call for heads immediately when the shoe is on the other foot.

As I said already, politicians must pay the prices, Dara Calleary is no longer Deputy Leader of FF because he broke the guidelines, your hero Mary-Lou is still leader despite her doing the same.

It is all very 1930s Germany, with the mob ignoring the bad behaviour of their own.

Did you address the question I asked earlier ref Garda Horkans funeral, and mourners breaking social distancing at it, and if so, did you condemn same?

Because if not, I will in my shyte be wading through that wall of waffle text - simple as that.

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