COVID-19: Vaccine/antidote and testing procedures Megathread [Mod Warning - Post #1]

timmy_mallet · 22-08-2020 11:09PM

timsey tiger wrote: »

An anti vaxxer who knows they work must be a misanthrope.

I'm fairly certain the argument is they're unnecessary and the adverse events are not worth it, not that they dont work.

is_that_so · 23-08-2020 08:40AM

While not explicitly about COVID-19 here's a piece from Stuart Ritchie, author of Science Fictions, on the very vexed question of replication of results. He's also interviewed in a longer form in New Scientist of anyone has a subscription.

Science is suffering from a replication crisis. Too many landmark studies can’t be repeated in independent labs, a process crucial to separating flukes and errors from solid results. The consequences are hard to overstate: Public policy, medical treatments and the way we see the world may have been built on the shakiest of foundations.

https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2020-08-14/replication-crisis-science-cancer-memory-rewriting

Here's the Wikipedia entry on the replication crisis.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Replication_crisis

Concretejungle · 23-08-2020 08:57AM

Sorry if this question was asked before, but can anyone explain to me what 76 suspected cases being treated in hospitals means because it only takes 2 days max to get a result when you are in hospital and still these numbers didn't go below 76 for the last few weeks, usually in the 136 category. The number of confirmed cases seems to be kept pretty low at approx 19 so what is happening with the suspected cases, are they all turning out to be negative, and still there are anything from 76 - 136 suspected cases every day ??

is_that_so · 23-08-2020 09:06AM

Concretejungle wrote: »

Sorry if this question was asked before, but can anyone explain to me what 76 suspected cases being treated in hospitals means because it only takes 2 days max to get a result when you are in hospital and still these numbers didn't go below 76 for the last few weeks, usually in the 136 category. The number of confirmed cases seems to be kept pretty low at approx 19 so what is happening with the suspected cases, are they all turning out to be negative, and still there are anything from 76 - 136 suspected cases every day ??

Hospital turnaround is same day on tests. A lot of suspect cases are people in for other things who are waiting for tests and test results. The vast majority will not test positive and they should stop quoting it in alarmist voices.

Gael23 · 23-08-2020 09:30AM

When can we hope to have concrete data on the Oxford phase 3 trials?

is_that_so · 23-08-2020 09:34AM

Gael23 wrote: »

When can we hope to have concrete data on the Oxford phase 3 trials?

They are still recruiting for Phase 3 in various countries so probably post-Trump at this stage.

Santy2015 · 23-08-2020 10:01AM

Supposedly 2million early doses of the oxford vaccine ordered
https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40036340.html

stevek93 · 23-08-2020 10:25AM

How long does it take for results to come back? I was tested on Friday and was told 48 hours. I rang HSE live there now to see if they are back and they said no it is 3 to 4 days that’s 96 hours

Gael23 · 23-08-2020 10:39AM

Santy2015 wrote: »

Supposedly 2million early doses of the oxford vaccine ordered
https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40036340.html

That’s very positive news if true

mandrake04 · 23-08-2020 10:40AM

is_that_so wrote: »

Hospital turnaround is same day on tests. A lot of suspect cases are people in for other things who are waiting for tests and test results. The vast majority will not test positive and they should stop quoting it in alarmist voices.

Hospitals use Point of Care tests, quick turnaround but low volume.

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stevek93 · 23-08-2020 10:40AM

Gael23 wrote: »

That’s very positive news if true

Light at the end of the tunnel maybe can’t want to see the day of 0 cases reported.

Marhay70 · 23-08-2020 10:46AM

stevek93 wrote: »

Light at the end of the tunnel maybe can’t want to see the day of 0 cases reported.

Amen to that.

Stark · 23-08-2020 10:49AM

The dates they propose are very confusing to me.

They say this could be "ready and approved for use" as early as September/October. But I'm thinking "approved for use" means approved for "emergency use" (whatever that means exactly) while phases 3 trials continue in parallel for months to come?

Thierry12 · 23-08-2020 11:12AM

Stark wrote: »

The dates they propose are very confusing to me.

They say this could be "ready and approved for use" as early as September/October. But I'm thinking "approved for use" means approved for "emergency use" (whatever that means exactly) while phases 3 trials continue in parallel for months to come?

Health care workers, and elderly to get first

Will the HSE and Hiqa want to make it mandatory?

Alot of staff will refuse, wouldn't be suprised to see strikes in those sectors

Martina1991 · 23-08-2020 11:22AM

mandrake04 wrote:

Hospitals use Point of Care tests, quick turnaround but low volume.

Well not just POCT. Smaller, private hospitals may just have the likes of the Gene Xpert.

Hospitals have Roche and See Gene as well for bigger batches.

Gael23 · 23-08-2020 11:25AM

Thierry12 wrote: »

Health care workers, and elderly to get first

Will the HSE and Hiqa want to make it mandatory?

Alot of staff will refuse, wouldn't be suprised to see strikes in those sectors

I imagine it will be mandatory for frontline healthcare staff. Or else maybe there will be something brought in that there’s no sick pay if you get Covid and have refused a vaccine

timsey tiger · 23-08-2020 11:29AM

Gael23 wrote: »

I imagine it will be mandatory for frontline healthcare staff. Or else maybe there will be something brought in that there’s no sick pay if you get Covid and have refused a vaccine

I don't think anything like that will happen. It's not like as if the flu isn't a very serious risk to many people in hospital and there is nothing like that to compel medical staff to take that vaccine.

mandrake04 · 23-08-2020 11:31AM

Martina1991 wrote: »

Well not just POCT. Smaller, private hospitals may just have the likes of the Gene Xpert.

Hospitals have Roche and See Gene as well for bigger batches.

I know they have MagNaPure 96 and LC480s but they be using them for mid volume community testing, POC is good for testing admissions in to the hospital itself as you can do them in 15/45 mins and not wait around for 3 hrs to decide if they should be in the covid ward or general.

I think you probably know that, was just for the wider audience who wouldn't be aware.

Concretejungle · 23-08-2020 12:12PM

stevek93 wrote: »

How long does it take for results to come back? I was tested on Friday and was told 48 hours. I rang HSE live there now to see if they are back and they said no it is 3 to 4 days that’s 96 hours

It took two days for my results to come back. Don't know if it is the same for everyone but I had a test about a month ago due to just having a cold and a cough but the result was negative.

Martina1991 · 23-08-2020 12:25PM

mandrake04 wrote:

I know they have MagNaPure 96 and LC480s but they be using them for mid volume community testing, POC is good for testing admissions in to the hospital itself as you can do them in 15/45 mins and not wait around for 3 hrs to decide if they should be in the covid ward or general.

Well tests from the community aren't done in hosptials unless the person is a healthcare worker. Hospitals process samples from patients within the hospital, pre-op, pre-discharge to nursing home etc. And use POCT for stat samples that cannot wait for a batch.

stevek93 · 23-08-2020 12:33PM

Concretejungle wrote: »

It took two days for my results to come back. Don't know if it is the same for everyone but I had a test about a month ago due to just having a cold and a cough but the result was negative.

To be honest I think they just wanted to keep the lines free, there was 8 in the queue when I rang.

hmmm · 23-08-2020 07:50PM

It's interesting today that Trump is talking about fast-tracking approval of the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine.
https://www.ft.com/content/b053f55b-2a8b-436c-8154-0e93dcdb3c1a

That's a stupid idea, but leaving that aside - I'm hoping that means he's been given some good news from the trial. He hasn't said the same about any of the other vaccines being trialed.

drunkmonkey · 23-08-2020 08:00PM

Not sure that's the announcement, sounds like it's a therapy..

https://twitter.com/PressSec/status/1297373454262571008?s=20

Hydroxychloroquine was given to 40,000 health workers to see can it prevent infection, that was happening start of August, not sure of the results but Trump might be.
It's not a cure if your sick but it might be able to prevent you getting it in the first place, we'll know shortly.

irishgeo · 23-08-2020 08:37PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Not sure that's the announcement, sounds like it's a therapy..

https://twitter.com/PressSec/status/1297373454262571008?s=20

Hydroxychloroquine was given to 40,000 health workers to see can it prevent infection, that was happening start of August, not sure of the results but Trump might be.
It's not a cure if your sick but it might be able to prevent you getting it in the first place, we'll know shortly.

Hard to take the tweet seriously when they call it the China virus.

Private Joker · 23-08-2020 08:57PM

Gael23 wrote: »

I imagine it will be mandatory for frontline healthcare staff. Or else maybe there will be something brought in that there’s no sick pay if you get Covid and have refused a vaccine

More than likely, enhanced ppe for those that choose not to take it.

drunkmonkey · 23-08-2020 08:58PM

irishgeo wrote: »

Hard to take the tweet seriously when they call it the China virus.

They could have stopped all this by telling the truth from the start. Wouldn't surprise me if it's a bio weapon, China backing Biden all the way.

irishgeo · 23-08-2020 09:01PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

They could have stopped all this by telling the truth from the start. Wouldn't surprise me if it's a bio weapon, China backing Biden all the way.

I doubt they would have stopped it to be honest even if they told the truth.

drunkmonkey · 23-08-2020 09:02PM

Private Joker wrote: »

More than likely, enhanced ppe for those that choose not to take it.

It won't be mandatory, the flu isn't, we've very bad take up of vaccines amougst health care professionals.

eigrod · 23-08-2020 09:06PM

irishgeo wrote: »

Hard to take the tweet seriously when they call it the China virus.

It’s been hard to take anything Trump has said seriously for the past 3+ years, but the next 3 months are going to be off the scale. Let’s see what Dr. Fauci says before giving this ‘breakthrough’ any credibility.

ShineOn7 · 23-08-2020 09:30PM

Any word on improved treatments for this?

Surely they've learnt what works better since March and this is why we're seeing vastly reduced mortality numbers? (or a big part of it at least)

Contrary to this though, I have seen Doctors online say they're giving the exact same drugs now for treatment as they were in March

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