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How will schools be able to go back in September? (Continued)

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  • #3512
    beveragelady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 855 ✭✭✭beveragelady


    downthemiddle wrote: »
    Meh Marko lacks stamina. He pops up throws a few barbs and disappears again for the week. He lacks commitment to the cause.
    The Fringemeister is a model of consistency, although I'm hoping that her alter ego is a hint that she will take Sundays off. No matter how often she is challenged, and shown to be wrong, she persists. She consistently told us that masks would not be required, and under no circumstances would her children be forced to wear masks. I presume she has registered for homeschooling.
    She will take a stance and defend it despite all evidence to the contrary. When the evidence is irrefutable she will deflect and move the point of the argument.
    She is totally committed to this thread and her duty to put those teachers in their place.
    Marko's approach is far too scattergun to compete. He lobs a few grenades and runs for cover.
    Sunday Gal on the other hand, her philosophy can be summed up as follows

    She works all night, She posts all day, to tell the teachers what she has to say
    Ain't it sad
    And still there never seems to be a compliment to pay
    That's too bad
    In her dreams she had a plan
    If she got a teacher man
    She wouldn't have to work at all, She'd fool around and have a ball
    Money, money, money
    Must be funny
    In the teacher's world
    Money, money, money
    Always sunny
    In the teacher's world

    You know who I miss at times like this? Katydid.
    Although, sometimes I feel like Katydid never really went away...
    Are you here, Katydid? Walk into the light!


  • #3513
    khalessi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,216 ✭✭✭khalessi


    1

    https://twitter.com/Eintrachtrob/status/1294591472252182528


    INteresting to see it like this


  • #3514
    mirrorwall14
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,751 ✭✭✭mirrorwall14


    khalessi wrote: »
    1

    https://twitter.com/Eintrachtrob/status/1294591472252182528


    INteresting to see it like this

    It’s actually worse than that now


  • #3515
    Murple
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 337 ✭✭Murple


    https://twitter.com/President_MU/status/1296760361228673027

    This thread is well worth a read.
    Prof. Philip Nolan of NPHET explains their logic around schools reopening. It’s the comments below his tweets that lay bare the flaws in the plan and how it very much seems like they are putting those in schools at very high risk.
    It very much seems like they want the rest of the country to reduce their contacts not to allow schools to go back but to allow for the fact that those in school will have a much higher number of close contacts. It separates the country into the 1 million who will be in schools and the 4 million who won’t as if the over 900,000 pupils are all attending boarding schools and aren’t returning to households with parents and grandparents. School staff of course live in schools and don’t have families of their own.


  • #3516
    wirelessdude01
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,445 ✭✭✭wirelessdude01


    Murple wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/President_MU/status/1296760361228673027

    This thread is well worth a read.
    Prof. Philip Nolan of NPHET explains their logic around schools reopening. It’s the comments below his tweets that lay bare the flaws in the plan and how it very much seems like they are putting those in schools at very high risk.
    It very much seems like they want the rest of the country to reduce their contacts not to allow schools to go back but to allow for the fact that those in school will have a much higher number of close contacts. It separates the country into the 1 million who will be in schools and the 4 million who won’t as if the over 900,000 pupils are all attending boarding schools and aren’t returning to households with parents and grandparents. School staff of course live in schools and don’t have families of their own.

    The thinking is utter gutter. The weak link as always are humans.


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  • #3517
    wirelessdude01
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,445 ✭✭✭wirelessdude01


    Beginning to see push back from some very vocal primary principals on twitter regarding what happens with those children who are kept home but don't fit into the extremely narrow 'very high risk' category? They don't have to be supported by the school according to the guidelines.


  • #3518
    Thierry12
    Closed Accounts Posts: 979 ✭✭✭Thierry12


    khalessi wrote: »
    1

    https://twitter.com/Eintrachtrob/status/1294591472252182528


    INteresting to see it like this

    Will they be doing covid testing in schools?

    Random testing?

    Kids are the most likely to
    be asymptomatic spreaders

    Important they test them regularly


  • #3519
    Thierry12
    Closed Accounts Posts: 979 ✭✭✭Thierry12


    wirelessdude01 wrote: »
    Beginning to see push back from some very vocal primary principals on twitter regarding what happens with those children who are kept home but don't fit into the extremely narrow 'very high risk' category? They don't have to be supported by the school according to the guidelines.

    They should have had a distance learning plan setup

    Get the feeling teachers are only hoping this is a disaster and get to twiddle thumbs again

    They should be coming up with solutions, guess that's why they teach


  • #3520
    Balmed Out
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,738 ✭✭✭Balmed Out


    Just wondering, from whats happening with a creche im familiar with if a child displays any symptom they and sny sibling are sent home and a doctor has to clear them before going home. In this case the doctor relies on a covid test.
    Given how often kids have some sort of a sniffle if schools operate simularly surely most will end up at home with massive queues for tests....


  • #3521
    wirelessdude01
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,445 ✭✭✭wirelessdude01


    Thierry12 wrote: »
    Will they be doing covid testing in schools?

    Random testing?

    Kids are the most likely to
    be asymptomatic spreaders

    Important they test them regularly

    It was talked about at the NPHET briefing on Thursday evening. Said it is being talked about but they won't have any further information for at least 3 weeks.

    Personally have said previously that I believe that all students and staff should be tested weekly. No ifs, buts or maybes. Refusal from staff means Covid payment and refusals from parents for children to be tested means they are refused at the school gate.


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  • #3522
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,135 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Thierry12 wrote: »
    They should have had a distance learning plan setup

    Get the feeling teachers are only hoping this is a disaster and get to twiddle thumbs again

    They should be coming up with solutions, guess that's why they teach

    Well if you got full pay for staying home..


  • #3523
    Thierry12
    Closed Accounts Posts: 979 ✭✭✭Thierry12


    wirelessdude01 wrote: »
    It was talked about at the NPHET briefing on Thursday evening. Said it is being talked about but they won't have any further information for at least 3 weeks.

    Personally have said previously that I believe that all students and staff should be tested weekly. No ifs, buts or maybes. Refusal from staff means Covid payment and refusals from parents for children to be tested means they are refused at the school gate.

    Agree on all that

    3 weeks is a joke to get it sorted mind


  • #3524
    wirelessdude01
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,445 ✭✭✭wirelessdude01


    Thierry12 wrote: »
    They should have had a distance learning plan setup

    Get the feeling teachers are only hoping this is a disaster and get to twiddle thumbs again

    They should be coming up with solutions, guess that's why they teach

    Point being that teachers cannot be expected to be in school all day with their class but still be responsible for those at home. The department should be the ones drawing up plans for those at home.


  • #3525
    Blondini
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,480 ✭✭✭Blondini


    Thierry12 wrote: »
    They should have had a distance learning plan setup

    Get the feeling teachers are only hoping this is a disaster and get to twiddle thumbs again

    They should be coming up with solutions, guess that's why they teach

    What do you do for a buck yourself sonny?

    Anus remover at a meat factory or similar?


  • #3526
    s1ippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,980 ✭✭✭s1ippy


    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/aug/21/coronavirus-iurope-dozens-schools-report-infections-berlin-germany-spain
    Berlin was one of the first places in Germany to reopen its schools after the summer holidays. Children are obliged to wear face coverings in the hallways, during breaks and when they enter the classroom, but they can take them off once they sit in their places and classes begin. Some critics say the measures in Berlin are too relaxed and both students and teachers should be wearing face coverings during lessons.


  • #3527
    amacca
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,269 ✭✭✭amacca


    Thierry12 wrote: »
    They should have had a distance learning plan setup

    Get the feeling teachers are only hoping this is a disaster and get to twiddle thumbs again

    They should be coming up with solutions, guess that's why they teach

    They dont have to hope.....it has all the makings of a disaster if things stay on their present course

    You have to admit it looks like a rushed ill advised hasty plan by the powers that be that will result in a much less than optimum outcome down the line.

    As far as I can see schools as a whole are getting on with it and its not unreasonable for individuals to question the logic of it....

    Id have zero faith in professor shiny up there myself.....thats exactly the kind of weak planning and logic or at best selective thinking to suit whatever agenda gains you promtion that goes into much of the planning etc you can see in the education sector at high levels (no doubt no different to other sectors)

    It mustve taken some feat of mental gymnastics to come up with that.....


  • #3528
    i_surge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭i_surge


    Thierry12 wrote: »
    They should have had a distance learning plan setup

    Get the feeling teachers are only hoping this is a disaster and get to twiddle thumbs again

    They should be coming up with solutions, guess that's why they teach
    .

    There is that to a small degree. People know it is wrong and are going along with it. Only now the gung ho "we have to live with it" thing is turning to genuine fear. I don't envy them but they don't have to blindly accept it and it is not fair to put the onus on kicking up a fuss on just the parents.

    If it is wrong it is wrong, simple as that.


  • #3529
    Blondini
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,480 ✭✭✭Blondini


    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    Well if you got full pay for staying home..

    As the fella says JJ, down there for dancin!


  • #3530
    Sunday Sunday
    Closed Accounts Posts: 187 ✭✭Sunday Sunday


    wirelessdude01 wrote: »
    It was talked about at the NPHET briefing on Thursday evening. Said it is being talked about but they won't have any further information for at least 3 weeks.

    Personally have said previously that I believe that all students and staff should be tested weekly. No ifs, buts or maybes. Refusal from staff means Covid payment and refusals from parents for children to be tested means they are refused at the school gate.

    Have you had a covid test yourself? It's not a pleasant experience.

    I think subjecting children to that on a weekly basis without any indication that they are infected is a waste of time, money and would be distressing for the children.

    You can expect that many parents won't consent to medical testing of their children. If there is a suspected case then the person should be triaged and tested as they are now, through their own GP and testing centre.

    Mandatory medical testing for kids to go to school, get a grip it would never be authorised.


  • #3531
    i_surge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭i_surge


    Sunday Sunday wrote: »
    Have you had a covid test yourself? It's not a pleasant experience.

    I think subjecting children to that on a weekly basis without any indication that they are infected is a waste of time, money and would be distressing for the children.

    You can expect that many parents won't consent to medical testing of their children. If there is a suspected case then the person should be triaged and tested as they are now, through their own GP and testing centre.

    Mandatory medical testing for kids to go to school, get a grip it would never be authorised.

    You are the one that needs to get a grip. Actively contributing to this mess.

    Tests are unpleasant, so what, so is virtually everything these days.


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  • #3532
    amacca
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,269 ✭✭✭amacca


    I actually havent had a covid test.....what does it entail thats distressing?

    Thought it was a nasal swab

    Do they need bloods as well


  • #3533
    Sunday Sunday
    Closed Accounts Posts: 187 ✭✭Sunday Sunday


    i_surge wrote: »
    You are the one that needs to get a grip. Actively contributing to this mess.

    Tests are unpleasant, so what, so is virtually everything these days.

    The downside far outweighs the benefits in this case, never mind the cost and resources to test that many people weekly but there would also be a major legal fallout.

    Won't be recommended for kids either way.


  • #3534
    khalessi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,216 ✭✭✭khalessi


    Sunday Sunday wrote: »
    Have you had a covid test yourself? It's not a pleasant experience.

    I think subjecting children to that on a weekly basis without any indication that they are infected is a waste of time, money and would be distressing for the children.

    You can expect that many parents won't consent to medical testing of their children. If there is a suspected case then the person should be triaged and tested as they are now, through their own GP and testing centre.

    Mandatory medical testing for kids to go to school, get a grip it would never be authorised.

    There are saliva tests available that could be rolled out.

    As an aside the test involves having a large cotton swab stuck up into the back reaches of your nose. Unpleasant, my 5 year old niece had it done and was grand not every child will be so I would opt for saliva swabs for everyone.


  • #3535
    Sunday Sunday
    Closed Accounts Posts: 187 ✭✭Sunday Sunday


    amacca wrote: »
    I actually havent had a covid test.....what does it entail thats distressing?

    Thought it was a nasal swab

    Do they need bloods as well

    Go get one and report back, then picture getting small kids to cooperate with that once a week.


  • #3536
    Sunday Sunday
    Closed Accounts Posts: 187 ✭✭Sunday Sunday


    khalessi wrote: »
    There are saliva tests available that could be rolled out.

    As an aside the test involves having a large cotton swab stuck up into the back reaches of your nose. Unpleasant, my 5 year old niece had it done and was grand not every child will be so I would opt for saliva swabs for everyone.

    Saliva swabs would be a much more comfortable experience, especially for children.


  • #3537
    Blondini
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,480 ✭✭✭Blondini


    Sunday Sunday wrote: »
    Have you had a covid test yourself? It's not a pleasant experience.

    I think subjecting children to that on a weekly basis without any indication that they are infected is a waste of time, money and would be distressing for the children.

    You can expect that many parents won't consent to medical testing of their children. If there is a suspected case then the person should be triaged and tested as they are now, through their own GP and testing centre.

    Mandatory medical testing for kids to go to school, get a grip it would never be authorised.

    Depends how snowflakey the child is I suppose.

    It won't help if they've been taught at home to "stick it to the man" when it comes to teachers' authority.


  • #3538
    downthemiddle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,651 ✭✭✭downthemiddle


    Sunday Sunday wrote: »
    The downside far outweighs the benefits in this case, never mind the cost and resources to test that many people weekly but there would also be a major legal fallout.

    Won't be recommended for kids either way.

    I remember someone saying something similar about masks.


  • #3539
    Sunday Sunday
    Closed Accounts Posts: 187 ✭✭Sunday Sunday


    Blondini wrote: »
    Depends how snowflakey the child is I suppose.

    It won't help if they've been taught at home to "stick it to the man" when it comes to teachers' authority.

    I take it you haven't had one so because I know grown men who'd rather avoid a repeat test.

    How snowflakey a child is? Really? You do realise some of them are only 4 or 5 years of age. What do you expect?

    I suppose at least they are brave enough to head into the unknown school environment this year, that takes balls.


  • #3540
    amacca
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,269 ✭✭✭amacca


    Sunday Sunday wrote: »
    Go get one and report back, then picture getting small kids to cooperate with that once a week.

    I dont need one...and thats not particularly helpful to the debate tbh

    Cost aside if there is a saliva based test available as another poster says surely that wouldnt be so distressing it couldnt be implemented

    I think a lot of people dont realise how resilient a lot of kids can be.....they are not all fragile faberge eggs.

    In fairness, I did see an NFL player looking distinctly uncomfortable getting a nasal swab sometime last week....the man was a beast


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  • #3541
    Higgins5473
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,396 ✭✭✭Higgins5473


    Apologies if it has already been posted. I’m not following the thread in its entirety.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/over-40-berlin-schools-report-covid-19-cases-a-fortnight-after-reopening-1.4336773

    This looks bleak.


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