Covid 19 Part XXI-27,908 in ROI (1,777 deaths) 6,647 in NI (559 deaths)(22/08)Read OP

FintanMcluskey · 21-08-2020 11:57PM

Assetbacked wrote: »

"Far more serious", no it isn't. It is the flu without a vaccine for the vulnerable. The death rates in the under 70s age group are fairly low and conservatively estimated but in Ireland they are exceptionally conservative given the strict criteria around testing back in March. The data, to be clear, confirms generally that this is an old person's virus, ie over 65/70. By focusing on restricting all of society it means the net of protection is spread too thin when the focus should be shifted towards this age category.

For example, allowing people to go about their lives pretty much as normal but with strong education campaigns on protecting the elderly eg blanket requirements for elderly hours in shops, visible ads on how to interact with an elderly person to reduce a risk to them, implementing processes to ensure cases of covid for elderly persons are quickly identified so they can be treated and of course general health advice (ie wholefoods, plant based diet, no alcohol, sleep enough, lots of water, not overweight and exercise).

It frustrates me to hear the flu comparisons.

The flu is rather dangerous, especially for children, and has lead to fatalities in babies.

completedit · 21-08-2020 11:57PM

Assetbacked wrote: »

"Far more serious", no it isn't. It is the flu without a vaccine for the vulnerable. The death rates in the under 70s age group are fairly low and conservatively estimated but in Ireland they are exceptionally conservative given the strict criteria around testing back in March. The data, to be clear, confirms generally that this is an old person's virus, ie over 65/70. By focusing on restricting all of society it means the net of protection is spread too thin when the focus should be shifted towards this age category.

For example, allowing people to go about their lives pretty much as normal but with strong education campaigns on protecting the elderly eg blanket requirements for elderly hours in shops, visible ads on how to interact with an elderly person to reduce a risk to them, implementing processes to ensure cases of covid for elderly persons are quickly identified so they can be treated and of course general health advice (ie wholefoods, plant based diet, no alcohol, sleep enough, lots of water, not overweight and exercise).

Very interesting second half. There's been next to nothing in the way of advice on improving people's health during this time. A serious concerted message for people to improve their health, rather than wrapping people in cotton wool, would have been a far better use for the last 6 months. We're all helpless prey just waiting to be picked off by these marauding virus or so the official word goes.

Assetbacked · 22-08-2020 12:02AM

completedit wrote: »

Very interesting second half. There's been next to nothing in the way of advice on improving people's health during this time. A serious concerted message for people to improve their health, rather than wrapping people in cotton wool, would have been a far better use for the last 6 months. We're all helpless prey just waiting to be picked off by these marauding virus or so the official word goes.

Lifestyle illnesses in the West are many cancers and particularly heart disease, caused by poor diet and lack of exercise resulting in obesity. There is a trend to go after a pill rather than by doing the simple thing of not putting that **** stuff into your mouth, instead eating the food that didn't have packaging or an advertising campaign in order to get you to buy it, sleep enough to recharge your body, drink water to keep the engine ticking smoothly and exercising to get that weight off and those enjoyable hormones going will be your best weapon against covid and generally poor health. Easier said than done of course but when you are being chased by diseases such as covid and heart disease, among others (sexual health, as another example), that can help with motivation. It's not all or nothing, just don't overdo the alcohol and junk "food".

PokeHerKing · 22-08-2020 12:04AM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Ok well leave it at that. Ill let you win

Don't be like that Fintan. You were so keen on semantics not too long ago. I assumed you enjoyed the wrangling.

Ha Long Bay · 22-08-2020 12:07AM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

It frustrates me to hear the flu comparisons.

The flu is rather dangerous, especially for children, and has lead to fatalities in babies.

Just want to be sure I understand this comment correctly are you saying Covid is less dangerous than a typical flu?

FintanMcluskey · 22-08-2020 12:07AM

PokeHerKing wrote: »

Don't be like that Fintan. You were so keen on semantics not too long ago. I assumed you enjoyed the wrangling.

I love wrangling for days in fact.

But I'm using my phone and its hard to google figures on this, and I don't want to make a mistake and have my credibility diminished on this site!

Assetbacked · 22-08-2020 12:08AM

john4321 wrote: »

Just want to be sure I understand this comment correctly are you saying Covid is less dangerous than a typical flu?

Dismissing it as being similar to the flu undermines the seriousness of the flu is my understanding of the post, particularly with reference to the baby deaths the flu has caused.

Gerry Hatrick · 22-08-2020 12:09AM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

It frustrates me to hear the flu comparisons.

The flu is rather dangerous, especially for children, and has lead to fatalities in babies.

Hold on. Are you saying the common flu is more dangerous than Covid19?

spookwoman · 22-08-2020 12:18AM

https://twitter.com/byrne_padraig/status/1296918187318095874?s=20

Ha Long Bay · 22-08-2020 12:21AM

Assetbacked wrote: »

Dismissing it as being similar to the flu undermines the seriousness of the flu is my understanding of the post, particularly with reference to the baby deaths the flu has caused.

I'm a bit confused are you Fintan as well? I understand anyone can reply to a post but I asked a direct question to the poster.

On your own comment would you have anything to backup the post? You seem to be of the opinion the flu is more serious if I am reading it correctly.

Away With The Fairies · 22-08-2020 12:27AM

spookwoman wrote: »

https://twitter.com/byrne_padraig/status/1296918187318095874?s=20

How did a resident catch it? Are staff wearing masks at all?

Assetbacked · 22-08-2020 12:27AM

john4321 wrote: »

I'm a bit confused are you Fintan as well? I understand anyone can reply to a post but I asked a direct question to the poster.

On your own comment would you have anything to backup the post? You seem to be of the opinion the flu is more serious if I am reading it correctly.

Eh? No, I'm saying the data shows it is similar in that it trends towards solely impacting the elderly and vulnerable with some negligible anomalies where some deaths are not as easily explained. The data is all there, in particular

https://covid19ireland-geohive.hub.arcgis.com/
https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/casesinireland/epidemiologyofcovid-19inireland/

polesheep · 22-08-2020 12:28AM

Assetbacked wrote: »

"Far more serious", no it isn't. It is the flu without a vaccine for the vulnerable. The death rates in the under 70s age group are fairly low and conservatively estimated but in Ireland they are exceptionally conservative given the strict criteria around testing back in March. The data, to be clear, confirms generally that this is an old person's virus, ie over 65/70. By focusing on restricting all of society it means the net of protection is spread too thin when the focus should be shifted towards this age category.

For example, allowing people to go about their lives pretty much as normal but with strong education campaigns on protecting the elderly eg blanket requirements for elderly hours in shops, visible ads on how to interact with an elderly person to reduce a risk to them, implementing processes to ensure cases of covid for elderly persons are quickly identified so they can be treated and of course general health advice (ie wholefoods, plant based diet, no alcohol, sleep enough, lots of water, not overweight and exercise). As well, to use a mix of humour and satire as to what was said to young people getting fed up at the beginning of lockdown, maybe a campaign to guilt people into getting their granny a Netflix subscription so they can sit at home and wait it out.

Right from the start everybody knew that this was how it should have been done. And I do mean everybody. But twenty odd years of PC bolloc*s meant that no one in government was prepared to say it.

FintanMcluskey · 22-08-2020 12:34AM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

How did a resident catch it? Are staff wearing masks at all?

Perhaps a visitor?

For some bizzare reason visitor's are allowed in nursing home's, despite the fact the residents are the only group at risk

Ha Long Bay · 22-08-2020 12:36AM

Assetbacked wrote: »

Eh? No, I'm saying the data shows it is similar in that it trends towards solely impacting the elderly and vulnerable with some negligible anomalies where some deaths are not as easily explained. The data is all there, in particular

https://covid19ireland-geohive.hub.arcgis.com/
https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/casesinireland/epidemiologyofcovid-19inireland/

Ok so to be clear you said:

"Dismissing it as being similar to the flu undermines the seriousness of the flu"

Do you mean Covid or the common flu is more serious?

FintanMcluskey · 22-08-2020 12:38AM

john4321 wrote: »

Ok so to be clear you said:

"Dismissing it as being similar to the flu undermines the seriousness of the flu"

Do you mean Covid or the common flu is more serious?

Its hard to say John.

One is dangerous to children, elderly and all ages in between, and has serious lasting effects.

The median age of death from Covid in Ireland is 82 I think, only god can decide I suppose

AlmightyCushion · 22-08-2020 12:48AM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

How did a resident catch it? Are staff wearing masks at all?

Masks don't stop a person spreading the virus 100%. All staff could wear masks at all times and still end up spending the disease.

Away With The Fairies · 22-08-2020 12:49AM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Perhaps a visitor?

For some bizzare reason visitor's are allowed in nursing home's, despite the fact the residents are the only group at risk

Are visitors not wearing masks when visiting?

You have to treat everyone as if they are infected and protect the most vulnerable and wear a mask. It's basic cop on.

FintanMcluskey · 22-08-2020 12:54AM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Are visitors not wearing masks when visiting?

You have to treat everyone as if they are infected and protect the most vulnerable and wear a mask. It's basic cop on.

They are.

But are masks completely effective 100% in protecting the vulnerable from somebody that has Covid?

I didn't think so, but someone may correct me

Ha Long Bay · 22-08-2020 12:55AM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Its hard to say John.

One is dangerous to children, elderly and all ages in between, and has serious lasting effects.

The median age of death from Covid in Ireland is 82 I think, only god can decide I suppose

Which one are you referring to?

"One is dangerous to children, elderly and all ages in between, and has serious lasting effects."

On the second point

"The median age of death from Covid in Ireland is 82 I think, only god can decide I suppose"

What is the median age of death from the flu? Last I can see from reports in 2018 was 81 accounting for 53 deaths.

"The median age of cases who died during the
2017/2018 influenza season was 81 years"

"In total 53 deaths were reported associated with influenza outbreaks notified during the
2017/2018 season."

Source:

https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/influenza/seasonalinfluenza/surveillance/influenzasurveillancereports/previousinfluenzaseasonssurveillancereports/20172018season/Influenza%202017-2018%20Annual%20Summary_Final.pdf

spookwoman · 22-08-2020 12:57AM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

They are.

But are masks completely effective 100% in protecting the vulnerable from somebody that has Covid?

I didn't think so, but someone may correct me

There is nothing saying how the person got it. They may even have gone out for a day trip even to the hospital we don't know.

podgeandrodge · 22-08-2020 01:03AM

niallo27 wrote: »

They have lost the public now, the restrictions mean nothing.

Tired of the effort I have to say.

Arrived in the pub tonight, only to be greeted (rightly from point of view of the pub) to the new 'rules' stating that customers should wear a mask on arrival up to where they are seated. Then masks off. Go to the loo - masks on. Leaving the pub - masks on.

In all fairness, this is bollox and any intelligent person will agree that this bullshít is pushing people away from the 'we're all in this together' idea. Arrive - wear mask for 20 seconds to table or you can't come in. Sit down, mask off enjoy the pints with your friends. Order the pizza. Go for a píss. Wait - put on a mask - in that 1 minute you might spew covid all over everyone else. Back to table. More pints (and covid saving pizza if not frozen). Leave pub - wear a damn mask damn you, God knows what could happen in those 20 seconds leaving the premises!!!!

This **** is why they've lost the public. Apologies if I've said something stupid, I've enjoyed my pints

dalyboy · 22-08-2020 01:18AM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

Tired of the effort I have to say.

Arrived in the pub tonight, only to be greeted (rightly from point of view of the pub) to the new 'rules' stating that customers should wear a mask on arrival up to where they are seated. Then masks off. Go to the loo - masks on. Leaving the pub - masks on.

In all fairness, this is bollox and any intelligent person will agree that this bullshít is pushing people away from the 'we're all in this together' idea. Arrive - wear mask for 20 seconds to table or you can't come in. Sit down, mask off enjoy the pints with your friends. Order the pizza. Go for a píss. Wait - put on a mask - in that 1 minute you might spew covid all over everyone else. Back to table. More pints (and covid saving pizza if not frozen). Leave pub - wear a damn mask damn you, God knows what could happen in those 20 seconds leaving the premises!!!!

This **** is why they've lost the public. Apologies if I've said something stupid, I've enjoyed my pints

It’s getting more and more like some kind of a mad cult religion with these nonsensical impediments they are shoving down our throats.

Personally I’d just about turn and walk out the door if a restaurant made these demands on me on a supposed relaxing night out.

If all the restaurants start this then I’ll happily never make a reservation in the 1st place and have delivery service to my private residence and host a night myself for my guests.

FintanMcluskey · 22-08-2020 01:21AM

dalyboy wrote: »

It’s getting more and more like some kind of a mad cult religion with these nonsensical impediments they are shoving down our throats.

Im a repetitive old bolix but I've said before, I can see how the church had a strangle hold on Ireland for so long.

Fear

spookwoman · 22-08-2020 01:24AM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

Tired of the effort I have to say.

Arrived in the pub tonight, only to be greeted (rightly from point of view of the pub) to the new 'rules' stating that customers should wear a mask on arrival up to where they are seated. Then masks off. Go to the loo - masks on. Leaving the pub - masks on.

In all fairness, this is bollox and any intelligent person will agree that this bullshít is pushing people away from the 'we're all in this together' idea. Arrive - wear mask for 20 seconds to table or you can't come in. Sit down, mask off enjoy the pints with your friends. Order the pizza. Go for a píss. Wait - put on a mask - in that 1 minute you might spew covid all over everyone else. Back to table. More pints (and covid saving pizza if not frozen). Leave pub - wear a damn mask damn you, God knows what could happen in those 20 seconds leaving the premises!!!!

This **** is why they've lost the public. Apologies if I've said something stupid, I've enjoyed my pints

Ahh poor you. Imagine having to do this every day when dealing with covid patients
https://twitter.com/GregAFish/status/1244043761157468160?s=20

copeyhagen · 22-08-2020 01:26AM

when does Ireland get to the point of protests of the current decisions and a look to leadership to show us where we are going? because at the moment it seems these dopey ****ers dont have a clue... banana republic.

zero confidence in them..

podgeandrodge · 22-08-2020 01:27AM

spookwoman wrote: »

Ahh poor you. Imagine having to do this every day when dealing with covid patients
https://twitter.com/GregAFish/status/1244043761157468160?s=20

Thanks, appreciate your sympathy. It's tough figuring out how the health authorities ascertained that I can sit in a pub all night having pints, but I need to wear a mask for 20 seconds to the door or the loo. But keep on fighting the good fight without debate why don't you.

I won't even go into how you've missed the point about keeping the public on side.

copeyhagen · 22-08-2020 01:27AM

spookwoman wrote: »

Ahh poor you. Imagine having to do this every day when dealing with covid patients
https://twitter.com/GregAFish/status/1244043761157468160?s=20

name checks out...

Plumbthedepths · 22-08-2020 01:28AM

spookwoman wrote: »

Ahh poor you. Imagine having to do this every day when dealing with covid patients
https://twitter.com/GregAFish/status/1244043761157468160?s=20

Or could be doing this

https://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Wellness/video/nurse-kala-baker-brings-joy-dancing-tiktok-69912394

FintanMcluskey · 22-08-2020 01:29AM

Social media is a cancer on society.

Fear is the worst existence of all

Covid 19 Part XXI-27,908 in ROI (1,777 deaths) 6,647 in NI (559 deaths)(22/08)Read OP

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