Covid 19 Part XXI-27,908 in ROI (1,777 deaths) 6,647 in NI (559 deaths)(22/08)Read OP

Goldengirl · 21-08-2020 02:33AM

MickeyLeari wrote: »

Fair point on the meat plants, although that is also Leo as HSA is under the remit of his Dept.

The Cabinet meeting on Tuesday was a joke - this was a serious governance failing. I think we are probably headed towards an election in the next few weeks the way things are going. I think there is so much else going wrong at this point in time to get excited about a dinner or a pub. I know the optics look bad and it was not good, but it should not distract from far more fundamental failings and lack of strategy.

Yes . Michael will you be putting your name forward next time ?

fritzelly · 21-08-2020 02:35AM

MickeyLeari wrote: »

Fair point on the meat plants, although that is also Leo as HSA is under the remit of his Dept.

The Cabinet meeting on Tuesday was a joke - this was a serious governance failing. I think we are probably headed towards an election in the next few weeks the way things are going. I think there is so much else going wrong at this point in time to get excited about a dinner or a pub. I know the optics look bad and it was not good, but it should not distract from far more fundamental failings and lack of strategy.

Optics is one thing when you bring in a drink driving limit and a minister is found over the limit the next day
It's another thing when you are in the middle of a pandemic where tens of thousands have lost loved ones and couldn't even say goodbye and a minister sticks up the middle finger the day after restrictions are brought in

MickeyLeari · 21-08-2020 02:35AM

joseywhales wrote: »

God leo, we're sorry, come back!

More like you will be saying

“Hello Mary Lou
Goodbye Mickey
Sweet Mary Lou
I'm so in love with you…”

MickeyLeari · 21-08-2020 02:38AM

fritzelly wrote: »

Optics is one thing when you bring in a drink driving limit and a minister is found over the limit the next day
It's another thing when you are in the middle of a pandemic where tens of thousands have lost loved ones and couldn't even say goodbye and a minister sticks up the middle finger the day after restrictions are brought in

And I think that collective Government failure is a far more serious issue.

Tens of thousands losing loved ones?

fritzelly · 21-08-2020 02:38AM

MickeyLeari wrote: »

More like you will be saying

“Hello Mary Lou
Goodbye Mickey
Sweet Mary Lou
I'm so in love with you…”

If there was an election tomorrow I don't think it would be SF getting into power...

fritzelly · 21-08-2020 02:39AM

MickeyLeari wrote: »

Tens of thousands losing loved ones?

Ermmm yeah - a dead grandmother would have 10 at least that loved them

MickeyLeari · 21-08-2020 02:39AM

Goldengirl wrote: »

Yes . Michael will you be putting your name forward next time ?

Will you vote for me?

caveat emptor · 21-08-2020 02:41AM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Nothing from Noel Rock or Simon Harris yet on #GolfGate but plenty about Berlin2 Dame Lane, Donnelly might get some reprieve for #TrampolineGate

Our government is a disgrace, a complete shambles

Sorry just tuning in. I mean we knew they were a disgrace but that really takes the biscuit. Fvcking golf and they are asking everyone over sixty to hide away or be a martyr. Some neck on those lads.

MickeyLeari · 21-08-2020 02:42AM

fritzelly wrote: »

Ermmm yeah - a dead grandmother would have 10 at least that loved them

I understood (and open to correction) that 10 people were allowed at funerals. I also think that was too few as it was arbitrary given that social distancing could have applied in bigger churches.

completedit · 21-08-2020 02:43AM

They attended because they know we're no longer in a pandemic. It's a casedemic.

caveat emptor · 21-08-2020 02:43AM

fritzelly wrote: »

Optics is one thing when you bring in a drink driving limit and a minister is found over the limit the next day
It's another thing when you are in the middle of a pandemic where tens of thousands have lost loved ones and couldn't even say goodbye and a minister sticks up the middle finger the day after restrictions are brought in

Plenty of people lost people. It's starting to get at the core of who we are. What do we stand for.

fritzelly · 21-08-2020 02:44AM

MickeyLeari wrote: »

I understood (and open to correction) that 10 people were allowed at funerals. I also think that was too few as it was arbitrary given that social distancing could have applied in bigger churches.

A lot more people, than were allowed in the church, couldn't say goodbye that knew and loved them - so tens of thousands is very realistic

But sure tis only a golf dinner with a few lads

Goldengirl · 21-08-2020 02:46AM

MickeyLeari wrote: »

Will you vote for me?

Only if I could be your spin doctor- nurse !

Strumms · 21-08-2020 02:46AM

MickeyLeari wrote: »

More like you will be saying

“Hello Mary Lou
Goodbye Mickey
Sweet Mary Lou
I'm so in love with you…”

If Mary gets in you’d be trying to dig up Jack Lynch... Mary gets in and I’m working security on a bank my notice is getting handed in, Jesus... there is being careful what you wish for and.... that.

caveat emptor · 21-08-2020 02:47AM

s1ippy wrote: »

I think if people were disappointed about a nuclear bomb about to hit them, you would come out and say that instead they need to think about how the space programme is going to be affected, just to be oppositional.

Agree complete windup I think. As everyone knows. There is no empirical evidence of anyone dying in a nuclear war. Absolutely none. So golf is fine in the circumstance.

Do they just not give a ****.

https://twitter.com/ConorReddy95/status/1296591103643312128?s=20

Goldengirl · 21-08-2020 02:56AM

Strumms wrote: »

If Mary gets in you’d be trying to dig up Jack Lynch... Mary gets in and I’m working security on a bank my notice is getting handed in, Jesus... there is being careful what you wish for and.... that.

I reckon SF keeping a low profile because they know they will hoover up a lot of FF voters after this shambles. Let the others do the heavy lifting during this and MaryLou will be asked to take over then .
Think they are all a pack of useless fxxxers at this stage but was pleasantly surprised at Leo and Simon at the start of all this . They struck the right note .
Big mistake to change Taoiseach and Health Minister in the middle of this , both politically and for our sakes .

MickeyLeari · 21-08-2020 03:01AM

fritzelly wrote: »

If there was an election tomorrow I don't think it would be SF getting into power...

I would hope not but no guarantees. Especially with FF and FG represented so well at the golf club dinners.

fritzelly · 21-08-2020 03:02AM

Goldengirl wrote: »

I reckon SF keeping a low profile because they know they will hoover up a lot of FF voters after this shambles. Let the others do the heavy lifting during this and MaryLou will be asked to take over then .
Think they are all a pack of useless fxxxers at this stage but was pleasantly surprised at Leo and Simon at the start of all this . They struck the right note .
Big mistake to change Taoiseach and Health Minister in the middle of this , both politically and for our sakes .

Said when FF came to coalition power why the hell are they changing the Health Minister in the middle of a pandemic - total madness removing someone who knew the intricacies of what was happening and liaising with NPHET

MickeyLeari · 21-08-2020 03:04AM

fritzelly wrote: »

Said when FF came to coalition power why the hell are they changing the Health Minister in the middle of a pandemic - total madness removing someone who knew the intricacies of what was happening and liaising with NPHET

We lost all three key people around the same time. The Minister, the CMO and the Secretary General of the Dept of Health.

I think the Acting CMO is doing a reasonably good job at the moment.

fritzelly · 21-08-2020 03:07AM

MickeyLeari wrote: »

We lost all three key people around the same time. The Minister, the CMO and the Secretary General of the Dept of Health.

I think the Acting CMO is doing a reasonably good job at the moment.

Glynn is not doing a bad job - when this started Holohan was a bit of a deer in the headlights
But Glynn is taking the extremist view on everything and the obvious tensions between NPHET and FF are showing

caveat emptor · 21-08-2020 03:07AM

fritzelly wrote: »

Said when FF came to coalition power why the hell are they changing the Health Minister in the middle of a pandemic - total madness removing someone who knew the intricacies of what was happening and liaising with NPHET

Exactly in a once in a century event. He had a grasp from early on. That doesn't absolve the sins of the cervical debacle.
This is literally a matter of national security and we need an A team from whatever party. Doesn't matter. The golf thing is ridiculous.

Goldengirl · 21-08-2020 03:08AM

fritzelly wrote: »

Said when FF came to coalition power why the hell are they changing the Health Minister in the middle of a pandemic - total madness removing someone who knew the intricacies of what was happening and liaising with NPHET

Yes and when MM came in as Taoiseach said that he was there to do nothing for 2 years and then he will retire on a fat pension ...nothing to lose and only cares about feathering his own nest at this stage ...

New party @MickeyLeari ..." let's get our country flying again ! "
"Vote Mickey for Taoiseach and I won't just give you peanuts!"

I also like Glynn, just unfortunate that he has to deal with those 2 nincompoops !

s1ippy · 21-08-2020 03:11AM

joseywhales wrote: »

God leo, we're sorry, come back!

I hope to Christ your memory isn't that short.

Like, you know he spends half a million a year just on people advising him? Are you actually taken in by the propaganda? Loads of his ministers were at that dinner as well.

They're all a shower, don't be fooled. Where the hell is he anyway, he's second in command and nowhere to be seen. He's a disgrace.

caveat emptor · 21-08-2020 03:13AM

Goldengirl wrote: »

Yes and when MM came in as Taoiseach said that he was there to do nothing for 2 years and then he will retire on a fat pension ...nothing to lose and only cares about feathering his own nest at this stage ...

New party @MickeyLeari ..." let's get our country flying again ! "
"Vote Mickey for Taoiseach and I won't just give you peanuts!"

At least the user name is transparent.
"there is no proof of anyone ever taking the virus from one country to another"
"it's not a travel related virus"
Quiz question......

Where is Ryanair's largest European mainland base?
Bergamo
Where was the epicentre of infection in Europe?
Bergamo

fritzelly · 21-08-2020 03:13AM

s1ippy wrote: »

They're all a shower, don't be fooled. Where the hell is he anyway, he's second in command and nowhere to be seen. He's a disgrace.

Not getting on with MM it would seem :rolleyes:

I just cannot imagine the two of them in the same room - two totally different persona

Away With The Fairies · 21-08-2020 03:14AM

MD1990 wrote: »

do workers in these factories use masks while working?
If not it has to be mandated

Just checking in now, so don't know if your question has been answered but the answer is no. I know a place where masks are required in the common areas but on the floor, it's not required. I don't have a clue why not and nothing is being done about it.

Goldengirl · 21-08-2020 03:16AM

caveat emptor wrote: »

At least the user name is transparent.
"there is no proof of anyone ever taking the virus from one country to another"
"it's not a travel related virus"
Quiz question......

Where is Ryanair's largest European mainland base?
Bergamo
Where was the epicentre of infection in Europe?
Bergamo

But let's not deny so many think he's the man to run the country ?
(This is tongue in cheek in case anyone takes me seriously , lol )

MickeyLeari · 21-08-2020 03:17AM

fritzelly wrote: »

Glynn is not doing a bad job - when this started Holohan was a bit of a deer in the headlights
But Glynn is taking the extremist view on everything and the obvious tensions between NPHET and FF are showing

I am not sure Glynn is taking the extremist view - I read Monday’s letter and it was not unreasonable and showed a little more nuance than has been reported.

The problem this week was how we ended up with a full Cabinet meeting (was it the Minister who called this?) where there was no time to get the key people on board in terms of decisions and then we had a divided Cabinet cherry picking the advice which ended up in an absolute mess. They have spent the last two days providing clarifications and this has caused absolute confusion.

I really will not be surprised if we end up with an election. Vatadkar is clearly looking for one and “Golfgate” (does it qualify as a ‘gate’?) may well be the final straw.

Goldengirl · 21-08-2020 03:17AM

s1ippy wrote: »

I hope to Christ your memory isn't that short.

Like, you know he spends half a million a year just on people advising him? Are you actually taken in by the propaganda? Loads of his ministers were at that dinner as well.

They're all a shower, don't be fooled. Where the hell is he anyway, he's second in command and nowhere to be seen. He's a disgrace.

Ahh Leo and Simon are like ..Wallis and Grommit

even look like them

MickeyLeari · 21-08-2020 03:18AM

s1ippy wrote: »

I hope to Christ your memory isn't that short.

Like, you know he spends half a million a year just on people advising him? Are you actually taken in by the propaganda? Loads of his ministers were at that dinner as well.

They're all a shower, don't be fooled. Where the hell is he anyway, he's second in command and nowhere to be seen. He's a disgrace.

Which of his Ministers were at the dinner?

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