Covid 19 Part XXI-27,908 in ROI (1,777 deaths) 6,647 in NI (559 deaths)(22/08)Read OP

El Sueño wrote: »

Calleary has to resign surely?

He shouldn’t get to resign he should be sacked and if he’d any morals he’d resign as a TD

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

Lot's of deflection going on about Phil Hogan this and Donie Cassidy that but the reality is that Dara Calleary sat at the cabinet table and backed more restrictive Covid-19 measures. Then later that evening he went off and broke those very restrictions that he voted for. His position is blatantly untenable.

One question over Hogan will be when did he come back into the country and did he self isolate.

But yes fully agree after backing measures and doing that position untenable

h2005 wrote: »

He shouldn’t get to resign he should be sacked and if he’d any morals he’d resign as a TD

You do know this is FF? Right?

I think the maximum limit on a golf course is 60, so will the golf club be shut down now?

I was no big fan of Leo, Harris and Co but they look competent compared to the pack of clowns in government calling the shots now.

Drumpot wrote: »

Just had lunch with my sister.

I remember her partner was tested few months back when he was sick and it was negative. He works in health and safety and got these new tests that supposedly check for antibodies aswell and it seems he has some anti bodies which means he had (had not has edit) COVID.

She has a friend in UCD who said 25% of tests can give false positives.

I don’t find this alarming as I still think it’s easy to forget we are early doors in the pandemic and mistakes will be made. It’s more a good reminder that mistakes are being made and we get the information that our authorities believe are relevant. There’s no conspiracy with this line of thought, more a reminder that there really are variables about the virus we are still trying to figure out, including how to communicate information.

LOL, I assume you are talking about PCR tests LOL, due to the nature of this type of test false positives can only really happen through contamination or carryover, most instrumentation uses disposable tips etc so no carryover. To get 25% false positives then all Lab scientists would need to be contaminating 1 in 4 samples. This is what made me laugh.

caveat emptor wrote: »

I've a friend in a different college who says that tests can be 25% false negative depending on how the swab is conducted.

Of course I don't have a source for it and neither do you so here we are.

Martina knows the accuracy of the tests I guess. If the false positive rate was 25% we'd have a few more cases. Or is it that 25% of positives are false positives?

Either way commenting on accuracy of tests without any accompanying sources is dodgy territory.

Absolutely this is real life not some Hollywood movie.

False negatives are more likely in PCR, but it’s not the fault of the test. If you take a known positive sample and test it 100 times using 100 tests you probably get either 99 or 100 positive results. This is testing the repeatability of the test or the accuracy.

You take 100 assumed positive patients and test them and you might only get 95 test positive, the test relies on a swab scooping up virus or patients cells infected with the virus. Stuff like Herceptin can affect or inhibit PCR tests but the reality is like other virus is the test window with Covid is normally about 4 days but in some cases can be longer. Just to explain this you could get virus into your system but it takes time for it to culture, replicate and be enough to be reliably scooped up. This is dependent on the viral load and the patient, the higher the viral load the more likelihood that it test positive sooner, lower viral load it’s easier to miss earlier on. There’s no problem with the test it’s the circumstances of the patient that’s the problem.

stephenjmcd wrote: »

A person staying at the hotel with his family told the Irish Times he saw no evidence of social distancing when he witnessed the attendees arriving.

“No masks. No distancing,” said the the witness who asked that his name not be used.

He said he had to push his kids through two Oireachtas members whom he recognised to try to get to the lift.

“My 11 year old who is Covid anxious was hugely upset. The hotel has been brilliant all week on all Covid aspects. This was a really strange event with all that in mind.

“At the reception people were being introduced to each other and shaking hands. No distancing and no masks. We were flabbergasted.”

https://twitter.com/ConorGallaghe_r/status/1296582419441745920?s=19

Has the hotel for the golf event been named yet?

Santy2015 wrote: »

Just watched back Prime time. Anthony Staines was insufferable. Didn’t want to debate at all. Dismissed the Harvard Professor completely. Also the mask was a bit much in fairness. Another lad that needs his air time reduced to nothing at this stage.

Needs his fûckin state pay reduced to nothing... you want to be a prick go somewhere where they pay you and it can be tolerated. The people of this country are done tolerating it.

joseywhales wrote: »

The bigger picture here is that in Ireland if politicians can do this so blatantly and get away with it, what else are they doing?

FF are hilarious though, Everytime they come back, you think, they've surely learned their lesson. They just can't be honest, it's like a drug addict but they are addicted to getting away with dishonesty lol

GAA should just come out and say well it's grand for all you to have a hooley (in a more dangerous setting) so we're opening our grounds and screw you
Same goes for every other Irish person to say screw your restrictions

FF are not long for this Dail

Always_Running wrote: »

I was no big fan of Leo, Harris and Co but they look competent compared to the pack of clowns in government calling the shots now.

Varadkar was a lot better as Taoiseach than Martin. And im no great fan of Varadkar, he’s a pain in the arse at the best of times. But he did have a little bit of authority and you I did feel a little more reassured when he would speak.
Martin is aloof and offers no such reassurances- if anything he adds to national anxiety with his hallow threats and finger waving

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Nothing from Noel Rock or Simon Harris yet on #GolfGate but plenty about Berlin2 Dame Lane, Donnelly might get some reprieve for #TrampolineGate

Our government is a disgrace, a complete shambles

Checked Noel rocks twitter he retweeted the article and said it won't end well.
Nothing from harris but nothing from him for last 9 hrs.
Story only broke about 4 hours ago so see what happens tomorrow.

The Government and NPHET must be blessed with the timing of that video from The Berlin Bar.

Two things:

1. Where is the outbreak from The Berlin Bar?
2. For what it's worth, I walked past it Saturday evening, long before I saw the video or knew that happened. Was going to tip in but, I didn't. Didn't see anything that raised any red flags or that got me thinking it was unsafe

MickeyLeari wrote: »

We need to calm down as a country.

A Minister being asked to resign for going to a dinner yet no one reprimanded for the real ball dropping that happened with the meat factories?

Getting excited because of 50 people in a Dublin pub yet testing and contact tracing still not at the standard it should be at?

Finger wagging at travellers yet still no testing in the airport unlike other countries.

We are all over the place - we need rational and common thinking so that all of us can have as normal as possible a life. Manage risks as best we can.

I know the dinner and the pub did not look good but we do need to think of the big picture here for everyone’s sake.

Dara is the minister for agriculture over meat plants and while in the role for only a short time that should have been his priority not a golf social event, why should we the people listen to our government when they break the rules by doing the opposite to what they preach, it's damn hard to calm down and not be angry :mad: yes I'm ranting