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Hawthorn Tree · 20-08-2020 01:39PM

This government is falling apart at the seams. They don't seem to be able to communicate in any way effectively - internally or externally.
There is so much confusion now. The FF ministers in particular seem to be clueless. I think we'll actually see another general election next year.

jonnny68 · 20-08-2020 01:41PM

Hawthorn Tree wrote: »

This government is falling apart at the seams. They don't seem to be able to communicate in any way effectively - internally or externally.
There is so much confusion now. The FF ministers in particular seem to be clueless. I think we'll actually see another general election next year.

hopefully this year, jesus ive never seen such a bad incompetenmt government.

FrancieBrady · 20-08-2020 01:48PM

Hawthorn Tree wrote: »

This government is falling apart at the seams. They don't seem to be able to communicate in any way effectively - internally or externally.
There is so much confusion now. The FF ministers in particular seem to be clueless. I think we'll actually see another general election next year.

Michael Martin now trying to insist there is no confusion

On the day his own Dept of the Taoiseach had to clarify one of the restrictions after a huge level of complaint.

CrankyHaus · 20-08-2020 01:58PM

Hawthorn Tree wrote: »

This government is falling apart at the seams. They don't seem to be able to communicate in any way effectively - internally or externally.
There is so much confusion now. The FF ministers in particular seem to be clueless. I think we'll actually see another general election next year.

Their incompetence is astonishing. They can't be long for government if they keep this up.

It will be good for a laugh if they take a leaf from Labour's book to deal with any criticism by saying that their selfless service to the nation is beyond question but that their PR messaging is failing to get that through the electorate's thick skulls.

Hawthorn Tree · 20-08-2020 02:55PM

blanch152 wrote: »

I think having the Fianna Fail ministers in government has lowered the quality of decision-making. If it was FG/Greens with a few independents, things would have been much better.

I agree even though Ryan was terrible in an interview yesterday on returning to school.

James Brown · 20-08-2020 02:58PM

Hawthorn Tree wrote: »

I agree even though Ryan was terrible in an interview yesterday on returning to school.

TBF nobody's the sharpest after a nap.

markodaly · 20-08-2020 04:11PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The alternative is a competent government. From the start this hasn't been one.

And who would that be?

markodaly · 20-08-2020 04:14PM

blanch152 wrote: »

I think having the Fianna Fail ministers in government has lowered the quality of decision-making. If it was FG/Greens with a few independents, things would have been much better.

FF are finding it tough out there all right playing senior hurling. Sure they had all the answers in opposition, now when they are out there playing ball its a different game and we can see they not match fit at all.

Greens are barely holding on as well.

FG kinda holding steady.

The next few months are going to be interesting. No wonder Leo is keeping such a high profile, he can smell an election in the air soon.

FrancieBrady · 20-08-2020 04:27PM

markodaly wrote: »

And who would that be?

Whoever the electorate decide are better than the incumbents.
If they are not competent, try again.

FrancieBrady · 20-08-2020 04:28PM

markodaly wrote: »

FF are finding it tough out there all right playing senior hurling. Sure they had all the answers in opposition, now when they are out there playing ball its a different game and we can see they not match fit at all.

Greens are barely holding on as well.

FG kinda holding steady.

The next few months are going to be interesting. No wonder Leo is keeping such a high profile, he can smell an election in the air soon.

I look forward to Leo trying to wash his hands of involvement.

Poor_old_gill · 20-08-2020 04:44PM

Jeez FF are so done.

Going into this government I thought they had the least impressive team out of all the parties- even behind labour & soc dems but thought surely someone would impress from somewhere.

Nah- they are goosed & they’ll prob not exist after 2 elections time.

Jeez they are atrocious

BonnieSituation · 20-08-2020 04:59PM

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

Jeez FF are so done.

Going into this government I thought they had the least impressive team out of all the parties- even behind labour & soc dems but thought surely someone would impress from somewhere.

Nah- they are goosed & they’ll prob not exist after 2 elections time.

Jeez they are atrocious

We can but dream.

The latest from Mícheál that "there's no confusion" is Comical Ali levels of obliviousness.

BonnieSituation · 20-08-2020 05:02PM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

When did I say I have the answers?

Dodge, duck, dive.....hillarious the lot of you.

I can ask those questions that you're dodging, ducking and diving again if you want?

Here goes:

Do you think the government have handled the last couple of weeks well?

If not, what would you do different?

Poor_old_gill · 20-08-2020 05:04PM

BonnieSituation wrote: »

We can but dream.

The latest from Mícheál that "there's no confusion" is Comical Ali levels of obliviousness.

Watching that Stephen Donnelly interview just sent me over the edge on them.

They are gone, g’luck- just a pity we have to wait a few years for another election.

Norma Foley aswell? FFS

markodaly · 20-08-2020 05:08PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Whoever the electorate decide are better than the incumbents.
If they are not competent, try again.

So, the status quo then, as the current government have the numbers.

Right so!

*Government lasts 5 years.

BonnieSituation · 20-08-2020 05:09PM

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

Watching that Stephen Donnelly interview just sent me over the edge on them.

They are gone, g’luck- just a pity we have to wait a few years for another election.

Norma Foley aswell? FFS

And you say that as a compatriot of hers. :P

My mate's cousin is a FF councillor in Limerick and he was saying that he's always at her about the dearth of talent about and she disagrees, that's how oblivious the cult of FF is.

As I say, I hope that this is finally the moment the eejits who voted for them realise that they are irredeemable.

BonnieSituation · 20-08-2020 05:11PM

markodaly wrote: »

So, the status quo then, as the current government have the numbers.

Right so!

*Government lasts 5 years.

Not exactly, a Dáil lasts a maximum of 5 years. A government well, you remember the Rainbow Coalition right and how that came about??

markodaly · 20-08-2020 05:12PM

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

Watching that Stephen Donnelly interview just sent me over the edge on them.

They are gone, g’luck- just a pity we have to wait a few years for another election.

Norma Foley aswell? FFS

Stephen Donnelly was well known in the Dail and among other TD's, to be full of $hit. Talks a great game in the media and can come across well ina type of 'management consultant' way. However, being in charge of a department and a minister at Cabinet?

Something else entirely.

Actually he reminds me of Eoin o'Broin. He also talks a good game as well with very nice catchy soundbite solutions to problems.
If or when he ever gets to sit at a Cabinet table, we will see the same type of outcome.

FrancieBrady · 20-08-2020 05:14PM

markodaly wrote: »

So, the status quo then, as the current government have the numbers.

Right so!

*Government lasts 5 years.

You reckon a party that is 'not match fit' and one that is 'barely hangin on' are gonna get the numbers next time?

First requirement of sound political analysis is sound political analysis mark.

Poor_old_gill · 20-08-2020 05:16PM

BonnieSituation wrote: »

And you say that as a compatriot of hers. :P

My mate's cousin is a FF councillor in Limerick and he was saying that he's always at her about the dearth of talent about and she disagrees, that's how oblivious the cult of FF is.

As I say, I hope that this is finally the moment the eejits who voted for them realise that they are irredeemable.

Yeah, as a I said- the least impressive of all the parties!

FF must be bad in limerick alright if Patrick o Donovan is getting in

Jimi H · 20-08-2020 05:17PM

FF completely out of their depth. It seems to me they are losing the confidence and trust of the public. Looks like the schools reopening will be a fiasco. Going easy on the meat factories and restricting people at the same time gives the impression of unfairness. Utter confusion over their messaging. Winter around the corner and no sign of a long term plan to deal with the disease. I really hope they get their act together because we desperately need leadership but they need to get the finger out.

markodaly · 20-08-2020 05:17PM

BonnieSituation wrote: »

And you say that as a compatriot of hers. :P

My mate's cousin is a FF councillor in Limerick and he was saying that he's always at her about the dearth of talent about and she disagrees, that's how oblivious the cult of FF is.

As I say, I hope that this is finally the moment the eejits who voted for them realise that they are irredeemable.

This was always the case with the latest crop of FF TD's.

Most of them are just not very good. My mother, an old school FF voter remarked on it, saying that FG had a much better front bench than FF.

But just look elsewhere. Look at SF, they have about 2-3 maybe.. ok performers, but the rest are idiots of the highest order. From an anti-vaxer, to Damien 'up da ra' to some women who went on holiday when the General Election was on as she didn't expect to get elected....

SF have 37 TD's and only about 2 or 3 of them would ever be capable if that to be in government.

In fairness to FG, they do seem to be the most capable of the lot, at least this generation are. The polls are showing that as well.

markodaly · 20-08-2020 05:18PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

You reckon a party that is 'not match fit' and one that is 'barely hangin on' are gonna get the numbers next time?

First requirement of sound political analysis is sound political analysis mark.

Are we talking about this time or next time Francie? I can't keep up with your every changing argument.

Poor_old_gill · 20-08-2020 05:19PM

markodaly wrote: »

Stephen Donnelly was well known in the Dail and among other TD's, to be full of $hit. Talks a great game in the media and can come across well ina type of 'management consultant' way. However, being in charge of a department and a minister at Cabinet?

Something else entirely.

Actually he reminds me of Eoin o'Broin. He also talks a good game as well with very nice catchy soundbite solutions to problems.
If or when he ever gets to sit at a Cabinet table, we will see the same type of outcome.

Yeah I’d agree with you on O’Brion- always reminded me of the 19 year old student leftie who has no real grasp of reality & will be in over his head when asked to make any meaningful decisions

markodaly · 20-08-2020 05:25PM

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

Yeah I’d agree with you on O’Brion- always reminded me of the 19 year old student leftie who has no real grasp of reality & will be in over his head when asked to make any meaningful decisions

His day will also come.

I know some will hope for the day, but the day SF get into government in the South will also be the end of them as we know it. All their bluster, populist talk, easy solutions will get found out and the naive populist plebs that voted for them enmass, will be angry and desert them. In fact, I see a far-right revival once SF gets into power as the working class republican/nationalist type voters will leave SF once they realise that they are actually just another version of labour.

Shefwedfan · 20-08-2020 05:29PM

markodaly wrote: »

This was always the case with the latest crop of FF TD's.

Most of them are just not very good. My mother, an old school FF voter remarked on it, saying that FG had a much better front bench than FF.

But just look elsewhere. Look at SF, they have about 2-3 maybe.. ok performers, but the rest are idiots of the highest order. From an anti-vaxer, to Damien 'up da ra' to some women who went on holiday when the General Election was on as she didn't expect to get elected....

SF have 37 TD's and only about 2 or 3 of them would ever be capable if that to be in government.

In fairness to FG, they do seem to be the most capable of the lot, at least this generation are. The polls are showing that as well.

FF cleaned house, they brought in a lot of new faces and these people can and will be excellent TD's....so far this thread is just a group of people who have no idea what they are talking about and have zero alternatives.

FG have spent the last few years in power and at this stage you would hope they have a better front bench....experience is a huge thing

At least the people both on FF and FG have potential. Look across at the "opposition" and its a rabble. Even the so called "good" politician are fairly useless. Pearse doesn't even bother showing up half the time. Mary Lou seems to have zero control over any of them.

Normally a new government has time to bed it, this one had no chance but so far I don't see anyone coming up with better alternatives to the guidelines they have released. As I said people don't like them but that is a difference. It is no September and people are locked down since March. A kick back was always going to happen.

A lot of dribble on here. Just shouting and throwing mud but it is from the same group. Which to be fair they are doing exactly what the TDs do in their particular party. The government will last the next 5 years, posting on a daily basis to say they won't is not really going to change that fact. It is funny to see.....

Poor_old_gill · 20-08-2020 05:44PM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

FF cleaned house, they brought in a lot of new faces and these people can and will be excellent TD's....so far this thread is just a group of people who have no idea what they are talking about and have zero alternatives.

FG have spent the last few years in power and at this stage you would hope they have a better front bench....experience is a huge thing

At least the people both on FF and FG have potential. Look across at the "opposition" and its a rabble. Even the so called "good" politician are fairly useless. Pearse doesn't even bother showing up half the time. Mary Lou seems to have zero control over any of them.

Normally a new government has time to bed it, this one had no chance but so far I don't see anyone coming up with better alternatives to the guidelines they have released. As I said people don't like them but that is a difference. It is no September and people are locked down since March. A kick back was always going to happen.

A lot of dribble on here. Just shouting and throwing mud but it is from the same group. Which to be fair they are doing exactly what the TDs do in their particular party. The government will last the next 5 years, posting on a daily basis to say they won't is not really going to change that fact. It is funny to see.....

This is my first time posting that it won’t last to be fair.
However FF are done as a party in my eyes- I don’t see anyone there of any real ability

Shefwedfan · 20-08-2020 05:45PM

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

This is my first time posting that it won’t last to be fair.
However FF are done as a party in my eyes- I don’t see anyone there of any real ability

Well a large section of the country disagree's with you. That's the beauty of a politics.

jimmycrackcorm · 20-08-2020 05:51PM

Jimi H wrote: »

FF completely out of their depth. It seems to me they are losing the confidence and trust of the public. Looks like the schools reopening will be a fiasco. Going easy on the meat factories and restricting people at the same time gives the impression of unfairness. Utter confusion over their messaging. Winter around the corner and no sign of a long term plan to deal with the disease. I really hope they get their act together because we desperately need leadership but they need to get the finger out.

What do you mean by going easy on the meat factories? My OH is a nurse who got covid working in the hospital along with most of her colleagues. That was despite wearing full PPE gear.

They couldn't close down.

Poor_old_gill · 20-08-2020 05:52PM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Well a large section of the country disagree's with you. That's the beauty of a politics.

I genuinely think that last election was a bit of an anomaly based around historical preferences- I think they are goosed.

I’d love them to reclaim a chunk of the centre left, nationalist vote & bury the charlatans in SF but I think they are too far gone at this stage.

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