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How will schools be able to go back in September? (Continued)

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  • #3092
    lulublue22
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,496 ✭✭✭lulublue22


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    Sorry , I understand your point its just that everything I post is nit picked and it does bug me . Thats not aimed at you by the way .
    Parents have made suggestions and invariably someone will pop along and find faults with it .It gets tiresome to be honest
    Parents are just trying their best for their children and are caught between a rock and a hard place . A little reassurance and positivity from teachers would really help the anxiety out there
    Again not aimed at you but this thread is very negative , our school has tried to be positive and reassuring . We all know it will be hard but we all know that we have to keep trying for the children

    I understand your point and it can be frustrating from both perspectives. I think one reason for this rather than any intentional negativity is that we all come from this with our own perspectives. I know myself when someone mentions a solution my instinct is look at my own school Would this work in my school? There are such a wide variations in schools in terms of layout , numbers , facilities etc. That what might seem a perfectly reasonable solution may just not be feasible.
    What I do believe very firmly is that schools will do their utmost to make the school environment as safe and as happy an environment for the children that they can. Will that be enough to prevent clusters and outbreaks with the current situation probably not. But it won’t be from lack of effort or preparation on schools behalf.


  • #3093
    the corpo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,813 ✭✭✭the corpo


    We got out our school plan this morning, and it's a huge document, the principal has done a fantastic job to do the very best they can to reopen.

    Still issues with things like windows, and it got me thinking.


    Are units like this a viable option?
    https://www.invisibleawning.com/



    A rain guard, that allows you to open the windows but would deflect rain back out? I can't see any evidence of an Irish company manufacturing them, but would maybe give a little more scope for keeping windows open?

    I may be grasping frantically at straws....


  • #3094
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    lulublue22 wrote: »
    I understand your point and it can be frustrating from both perspectives. I think one reason for this rather than any intentional negativity is that we all come from this with our own perspectives. I know myself when someone mentions a solution my instinct is look at my own school Would this work in my school? There are such a wide variations in schools in terms of layout , numbers , facilities etc. That what might seem a perfectly reasonable solution may just not be feasible.
    What I do believe very firmly is that schools will do their utmost to make the school environment as safe and as happy an environment for the children that they can. Will that be enough to prevent clusters and outbreaks with the current situation probably not. But it won’t be from lack of effort or preparation on schools behalf.

    Thanks for the measured reply . I agree with you that any problem wont be from lack of effort from the vast majority of both school staff and parents . We are all on the kids side

    A text I got from a family member who is a teacher and a parent said what we are all thinking !! It simply read “ ah just F@:k off Corona


  • #3095
    gabeeg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,591 ✭✭✭gabeeg


    the corpo wrote: »
    We got out our school plan this morning, and it's a huge document, the principal has done a fantastic job to do the very best they can to reopen.

    Still issues with things like windows, and it got me thinking.


    Are units like this a viable option?
    https://www.invisibleawning.com/



    A rain guard, that allows you to open the windows but would deflect rain back out? I can't see any evidence of an Irish company manufacturing them, but would maybe give a little more scope for keeping windows open?

    I may be grasping frantically at straws....

    No sounds like a good idea

    But you have to go from post on the internet to fully funded building work nationwide, and you have about a week


  • #3096
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: »
    To be fair, if anyone is coming to boards for reassurance, they need their head checked :)

    Parents and students will be cared for as best as is possible in the current circumstances

    They are not coming here for reassurance , Its a public forum that people read out of interest


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  • #3097
    Sunday Sunday
    Closed Accounts Posts: 187 ✭✭Sunday Sunday


    Smacruairi wrote: »
    How many different households in at the same time is that? Doesn't sound at all like that is keeping to guidelines, despite the fact its a nice idea and practical in normal circumstances.

    All parents will be wearing masks and social distancing and numbers entering the school at any one time will be controlled.

    There will be no students on site either during the tour so I'd imagine there will be less people in the building than on a school day.

    I'm glad they are doing it and that they recognise the anxiety many parents are feeling. Plus parents can better communicate to students too so they'll know what's expected of them.

    You have to realise guidelines are just that and a week into school you'll realise that not all of them are practical.


  • #3098
    wirelessdude01
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,445 ✭✭✭wirelessdude01


    teachinggal123 wrote: »
    No problem, I'm happy to help anytime.

    It sounds like you struggled a bit with the online stuff (and were upset by all the people 'screaming' at you). I've been thinking about this a lot and would be very happy to help you out as much as possible and tell you what I'm going to do for online/blended this time. Maybe you could get a few ideas from that?

    Anyway, feel free to pm anytime ... I'll help and support you as much as I can.

    Put it up here and don't be hiding behind private messages.


  • #3099
    Smacruairi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,481 ✭✭✭Smacruairi


    Sunday Sunday wrote: »
    All parents will be wearing masks and social distancing and numbers entering the school at any one time will be controlled..

    Ah great, I'll let all businesses know there are no restrictions on numbers anymore, just wear masks and distance and you'll be fine. What numbers, 6? With no more than 3 households?

    And people wonder why complacency and mixed messages are out there.


  • #3100
    Sunday Sunday
    Closed Accounts Posts: 187 ✭✭Sunday Sunday


    Smacruairi wrote: »
    Ah great, I'll let all businesses know there is no restrictions on numbers anymore, just wear masks and distance and you'll be fine. What numbers, 6? With no more than 3 households?

    And people wonder why complacency and mixed messages are out there.

    Maybe you didn't see the bit where I said numbers will be controlled or did you just decide to leave that out.


  • #3101
    Smacruairi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,481 ✭✭✭Smacruairi


    Sunday Sunday wrote: »
    Maybe you didn't see the bit where I said numbers will be controlled or did you just decide to leave that out.

    How are they controlling numbers? You left that out. But I liked the way you then went back and stealth edited your post to talk about how guidelines are not practical.
    A far cry from when you were advocating marquees.


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  • #3102
    Sunday Sunday
    Closed Accounts Posts: 187 ✭✭Sunday Sunday


    Smacruairi wrote: »
    How are they controlling numbers? You left that out.

    I presume people will have to wait to enter and there will be a queue, isn't that how it's usually done?

    Guess I'll find out when I go, looking forward to it.


  • #3103
    i_surge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭i_surge


    Sunday Sunday wrote: »

    You have to realise guidelines are just that and a week into school you'll realise that not all of them are practical.

    Ineptitude is unavoidable and must be accepted? Ok grand


  • #3104
    Smacruairi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,481 ✭✭✭Smacruairi


    Sunday Sunday wrote: »
    I presume people will have to wait to enter and there will be a queue, isn't that how it's usually done?

    Guess I'll find out when I go, looking forward to it.

    Enjoy breaking the most recent guidelines.


  • #3105
    scrubs33
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 201 ✭✭scrubs33


    Flicking quickly through my Twitter and did I see something about school buses now being at 50% capacity except primary school ones??

    Edit: yes it was in Emma OKellys Twitter


  • #3106
    Sunday Sunday
    Closed Accounts Posts: 187 ✭✭Sunday Sunday


    Smacruairi wrote: »
    How are they controlling numbers? You left that out. But I liked the way you then went back and stealth edited your post to talk about how guidelines are not practical.
    A far cry from when you were advocating marquees.

    I never mentioned marquees, not once so perhaps you're confusing me with someone else.


  • #3107
    teachinggal123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 840 ✭✭✭teachinggal123


    wirelessdude01 wrote: »
    Put it up here and don't be hiding behind private messages.

    Put what "up here" exactly?

    I was offering to help as you seemed a bit upset that people were "screaming" at you. I also thought you needed some direction as you can't seem to answer any specific questions about what you'll be doing.

    My offer still stands ... I'm happy to help and provide support if you need it ... but no problem if not. You can send me a pm at any time if that would help you out.


  • #3108
    Smacruairi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,481 ✭✭✭Smacruairi


    Sunday Sunday wrote: »
    I never mentioned marquees, not once so perhaps you're confusing me with someone else.

    How would you when you shut down your account and started a new one only days ago. But I'm sure that's a coincidence.


  • #3109
    Sunday Sunday
    Closed Accounts Posts: 187 ✭✭Sunday Sunday


    Smacruairi wrote: »
    Enjoy breaking the most recent guidelines.

    Not clear on what they are (same as most of the population these days) a lot of people don't follow the convoluted orders in the media any more.


  • #3110
    beveragelady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 855 ✭✭✭beveragelady


    teachinggal123 wrote: »
    Put what "up here" exactly?

    I was offering to help as you seemed a bit upset that people were "screaming" at you. I also thought you needed some direction as you can't seem to answer any specific questions about what you'll be doing.

    My offer still stands ... I'm happy to help and provide support if you need it ... but no problem if not. You can send me a pm at any time if that would help you out.

    Are you by any chance an inspector?
    No notion of doing any teaching yourself but plenty of suggestions for how others can improve...


  • #3111
    wirelessdude01
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,445 ✭✭✭wirelessdude01


    Blondini wrote: »
    No. She admitted and boasted that she did NO work from March while decent teachers did their best.

    She's no victim. I can assure you.

    Constant playing of the gender, bullying and woe betide me card smacks of the boy who cried wolf.


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  • #3112
    lulublue22
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,496 ✭✭✭lulublue22


    Sunday Sunday wrote: »
    All parents will be wearing masks and social distancing and numbers entering the school at any one time will be controlled.

    There will be no students on site either during the tour so I'd imagine there will be less people in the building than on a school day.

    I'm glad they are doing it and that they recognise the anxiety many parents are feeling. Plus parents can better communicate to students too so they'll know what's expected of them.

    You have to realise guidelines are just that and a week into school you'll realise that not all of them are practical.

    Given the current rise in CT and restrictions in place I would rather that my workplace did not openup to what I gather will be a fairly substantial number of people wandering through the building who have no essential need to be there. Unless it will be deep cleaned afterwards - would not a virtual tour be far more compliant with regulations and meet parents need for reassurance.


  • #3113
    Sunday Sunday
    Closed Accounts Posts: 187 ✭✭Sunday Sunday


    Smacruairi wrote: »
    How would you when you shut down your account and started a new one only days ago. But I'm sure that's a coincidence.

    Nope not me.


  • #3114
    amacca
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,269 ✭✭✭amacca


    lulublue22 wrote: »
    Given the current rise in CT and restrictions in place I would rather that my workplace did not openup to what I gather will be a fairly substantial number of people wandering through the building who have no essential need to be there. Unless it will be deep cleaned afterwards - would not a virtual tour be far more compliant with regulations and meet parents need for reassurance.

    Was thinking the same myself its just more potential carriers/vectors for PR purposes


  • #3115
    Sunday Sunday
    Closed Accounts Posts: 187 ✭✭Sunday Sunday


    lulublue22 wrote: »
    Given the current rise in CT and restrictions in place I would rather that my workplace did not openup to what I gather will be a fairly substantial number of people wandering through the building who have no essential need to be there. Unless it will be deep cleaned afterwards - would not a virtual tour be far more compliant with regulations and meet parents need for reassurance.

    Don't know but we're being brought in anyway, I don't have an issue with it rather welcome in fact and the school is obviously alright with it too.


  • #3116
    wirelessdude01
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,445 ✭✭✭wirelessdude01


    teachinggal123 wrote: »

    My worry is that other teachers will do nothing again. I've heard colleagues say that, and I'm shocked that teachers on this very thread are saying that one email a week (with no follow up support) is enough. Teachers will never, ever be sanctioned for this and all the teachers reading this thread know that.

    I've said it before and I'll say it again. A teacher is the king/queen of their own castle. They decide and dictate what happens in it. You cannot dictate what happens in a different Kingdom so why you persist in worrying about others indicates an inherent lack of faith in yourself. Believe.


  • #3117
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    irishblessing wrote: »
    It looks like those 10 years of age or older wear masks, and as I've already said and was not at all vague about - phased opening and blended learning option.
    Just how does blended learning work with 5, 6 and 7 year olds?


  • #3118
    lulublue22
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,496 ✭✭✭lulublue22


    amacca wrote: »
    Was thinking the same myself its just more potential carriers/vectors for PR purposes

    Total pr stunt - total disregard for employees safety and welfare. Presume staff will be in and out getting things up and running for the return. It’s not like the building will be totally empty from now until the school is back.


  • #3119
    Sunday Sunday
    Closed Accounts Posts: 187 ✭✭Sunday Sunday


    amacca wrote: »
    Was thinking the same myself its just more potential carriers/vectors for PR purposes

    Do you not think there's value in parents being put at ease and being able to go home and communicate with their kids about what's happening?

    I do and would rather that than the don't come near the school approach that some parents are being met with.

    You think teachers would want parents on side because they will be relying on a lot of cooperation from home if they want to be able to follow the guidelines they have laid out.


  • #3120
    Sunday Sunday
    Closed Accounts Posts: 187 ✭✭Sunday Sunday


    wirelessdude01 wrote: »
    I've said it before and I'll say it again. A teacher is the king/queen of their own castle. They decide and dictate what happens in it. You cannot dictate what happens in a different Kingdom so why you persist in worrying about others indicates an inherent lack of faith in yourself. Believe.

    That's a rather narcissistic attitude to have, you think outside influences won't impact what happens in your "kingdom"?

    I feel you'll be in for a rude awakening some day.


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  • #3121
    teachinggal123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 840 ✭✭✭teachinggal123


    wirelessdude01 wrote: »
    I've said it before and I'll say it again. A teacher is the king/queen of their own castle. They decide and dictate what happens in it.

    But that's not true, is it?

    And if it is, why are you so keen to berate me and opine about what I have done/not done? That would surely be double standards on your behalf, no?
    wirelessdude01 wrote: »
    You cannot dictate what happens in a different Kingdom so why you persist in worrying about others indicates an inherent lack of faith in yourself. Believe.

    I'm not dictating anything ... I'm offering support to a fellow professional who is obviously upset and seems a bit lost and disillusioned. Please do take up my offer of support, advice and a friendly ear if you ever need it.


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