#SpeakOut - Sexual Assault Allegations Superthread

beakerjoe · 18-08-2020 5:47pm

Id imagine the likes of Banks and Gallegher got canned because they admitter some wrong doing.

Of course theres some truth in them trying to hold on to their bigger stars though. But if there was evidence or charges filed, their hands would be forced.

The White Wolf · 18-08-2020 7:04pm

How much can a company do in terms of reaching out to someone who has made an accusation? I've no idea that's why I'm asking. I would assume there would have to be at the very least legal representation on both sides. Making contact with someone when no formal complaint has been made to the authorities just feels like a legal minefield. Again....I've no idea, probably talking out of my arse right now.

beakerjoe · 18-08-2020 7:23pm

And what can a company really gain from reaching out?

If the accuser had evidence youd imagine they would go to teh aithorties. At best they will get thir side and its their storty vs the other story, he said she said.

WWE arent the appropriately positioned to have a fair investifation.

The police are. If they decide there's enough to charge someone, then WWE should suspend until proven guilty.

Vince has been accused many times if all types of crimes and lawsuits, a lot frivolous. So I can imagine him backing a talent once the talent cant be proved wrong. Like when Jericho allegedly assaulted a fan in 2008. It was his story vs their story and he backed Jericho.

CastorTroy · 18-08-2020 9:12pm

Gallagher admitted to it, I believe, which is why he was fired. What did Riddle do? If I remember correctly, he was accused of cheating and it was all consensual. If they did everyone who had cheated, they would be down a lot of people, allegedly

Insect Overlord · 18-08-2020 9:36pm

CastorTroy wrote: »

What did Riddle do? If I remember correctly, he was accused of cheating and it was all consensual. If they did everyone who had cheated, they would be down a lot of people, allegedly

Pretty sure his accuser alleged that he made her give him head despite being in a vehicle with other passengers.

the eternal struggler · 18-08-2020 10:56pm

beakerjoe wrote: »

WWE arent the appropriately positioned to have a fair investifation.

The police are. If they decide there's enough to charge someone, then WWE should suspend until proven guilty.

A harken back to a time before Twitter.

SENSE.

beakerjoe · 18-08-2020 10:57pm

Insect Overlord wrote: »

Pretty sure his accuser alleged that he made her give him head despite being in a vehicle with other passengers.

Riddle alleges shes a bit of a stalker since they parted ways and makes her out to be a bunny boiler out for revenge.

Its he said she said. No way of knowing who is truthful.

hynesie08 · 19-08-2020 1:14am

beakerjoe wrote: »

Riddle alleges shes a bit of a stalker since they parted ways and makes her out to be a bunny boiler out for revenge.

Its he said she said. No way of knowing who is truthful.

Except that he has changed his story 3 or 4 times, and she hasn't changed hers at all. Not saying he did anything illegal, but she's countered him every step of the way with text messages and pictures..... He might not be a rapist, but he's a scummy prick at the very least

beakerjoe · 19-08-2020 10:10am

hynesie08 wrote: »

Except that he has changed his story 3 or 4 times, and she hasn't changed hers at all. Not saying he did anything illegal, but she's countered him every step of the way with text messages and pictures..... He might not be a rapist, but he's a scummy prick at the very least

Well hes admitted to cheating on his wife, so he is no angel.

B.A._Baracus · 19-08-2020 12:20pm

beakerjoe wrote: »

Well hes admitted to cheating on his wife, so he is no angel.

With regards to that subject I have lost count how many times wrestlers have admitted to being unfaithful.

Bret Hart admitting to sleeping with a woman he had on the side in Italy in 1992 whenever he was over there. All while he was still married to his wife Julie.

Jake Roberts openly admitted he was unfaithful.

Honky Tonk said he told his wife he may get a knock on the door one day from someone saying you are my daddy.

Batista cheated on his wife with divas (accordingly Melina)

Bray Wyatt is believed to have been cheating on his wife with JoJo.

The British Bulldog was sleeping with Sunny.

Edge was married when the Lita deal happened.

Even ol' Vinny Mac admitted to an affair.

Wrestling business is insane :pac:

J. Marston · 19-08-2020 2:42pm

Didn't Batista do the dirt while his wife was going through cancer also?

CastorTroy · 19-08-2020 3:39pm

To add the Edge/Lita, she was with Matt.
Wasn't Cena involved with someone while with someone else? Then the photos Seth sent to another woman before he was with Becky

Omackeral · 19-08-2020 4:29pm

CastorTroy wrote: »

Wasn't Cena involved with someone while with someone else?

Pornstar Kendra Lust I believe. Also apparently slept with Mickie James when she was with Ken Doane aka Kenny of the Spirit Squad.

LineOfBeauty · 20-08-2020 10:37am

Another allegation against Dream today. Same M.O, same motive. There's two ways of looking at it, either a group of unrelated kids have come together to target a wrestler with no justification using pretty advanced technology (including some pretty out there hacking) or what these different kids are saying is true and Dream has had sexually inappropriate conversations, sent inappropriate sexual pictures and tried to groom underage boys numerous times. That's the crux of it.

beakerjoe · 20-08-2020 11:39am

I havent seen this new one yet, what is the kid alleging exactly and has he anything to back up the claim?

LineOfBeauty · 20-08-2020 1:37pm

beakerjoe wrote: »

I havent seen this new one yet, what is the kid alleging exactly and has he anything to back up the claim?

Same as the others, a video of a chat with Dream on Instagram, Dream asking for pictures, aware of the kids age, turns the conversation sexual. It's the same, every single time.

The White Wolf · 20-08-2020 1:46pm

What I don't get is that as each incident is leaked, Dream's value just goes down so why are WWE sticking so doggedly to their guns on it.

Sorry to say this as I don't know the guy, but accusations like this stick and people just aren't going to look at him the same way and turn off the TV.

Agent Coulson · 20-08-2020 2:10pm

HHH was asked about the new allegations on the Takeover conference call last night and said..

Triple H stated. "I'll stand by what I said on CBS. We looked into it, didn't find anything there in the manner of what we're looking for, and we moved on, but it doesn't change the fact that we take it seriously

J. Marston · 20-08-2020 2:23pm

What age is he? Because as seedy as this sounds WWE may be trying to say "technically" he did nothing wrong although morally it's gross and he should be gone. America's consent laws vary from state to state and range from 12 (for fúck sake) to 18.

RollieFingers · 20-08-2020 2:34pm

The velveTEEN Dream.

LineOfBeauty · 20-08-2020 2:47pm

The White Wolf wrote: »

What I don't get is that as each incident is leaked, Dream's value just goes down so why are WWE sticking so doggedly to their guns on it.

Sorry to say this as I don't know the guy, but accusations like this stick and people just aren't going to look at him the same way and turn off the TV.

There's only so long you can play down that there appears to be a paedophile on your roster. I think in the not too distant future we'll look back at NXT this week with Dream beating Balor clean and say "what in the name of God were they thinking?"

All you can say is that this is not the first time that company has done something like this.

The White Wolf · 20-08-2020 2:58pm

LineOfBeauty wrote: »

There's only so long you can play down that there appears to be a paedophile on your roster. I think in the not too distant future we'll look back at NXT this week with Dream beating Balor clean and say "what in the name of God were they thinking?"

All you can say is that this is not the first time that company has done something like this.

What!? FFS.....I knew there was something I forgot to check. That's absolutely ludicrous.

beakerjoe · 20-08-2020 11:54pm

LineOfBeauty wrote: »

There's only so long you can play down that there appears to be a paedophile on your roster. I think in the not too distant future we'll look back at NXT this week with Dream beating Balor clean and say "what in the name of God were they thinking?"

All you can say is that this is not the first time that company has done something like this.

The company care about themselves and wont do anything until their hand is forced.

If there's no strong evidence, they will chastise him privately and hope it goes away.

weareallmarks · 21-08-2020 10:03am

By watching and supporting, you give them the go ahead to continue behaving like they do.

No way should we support a company who treats allegations like this.

jaykhunter · 21-08-2020 10:18am

The "cut all ties" nuclear option is very internet. Or, harangue one of your favourite companies to better itself.

beakerjoe · 21-08-2020 10:20am

weareallmarks wrote: »

By watching and supporting, you give them the go ahead to continue behaving like they do.

No way should we support a company who treats allegations like this.

I wouldnt expect any company to treat them any different. They arent in a position to reach out to any potential accusser.

But WWE usually backs talent when they believe they are right. Jericho when he attacked a fan for example. While Dream has been accused, twice now, it all depends on what he is telling WWE which we dont know.

While it doesnt look good for Dream right now, he could be innocent. The accusser has allegedly gone to the police, I think the ball is in the cops court now to investigate. Lets see what happens.

ShagNastii · 21-08-2020 1:09pm

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

With regards to that subject I have lost count how many times wrestlers have admitted to being unfaithful.

Bret Hart admitting to sleeping with a woman he had on the side in Italy in 1992 whenever he was over there. All while he was still married to his wife Julie.

Jake Roberts openly admitted he was unfaithful.

Honky Tonk said he told his wife he may get a knock on the door one day from someone saying you are my daddy.

Batista cheated on his wife with divas (accordingly Melina)

Bray Wyatt is believed to have been cheating on his wife with JoJo.

The British Bulldog was sleeping with Sunny.

Edge was married when the Lita deal happened.

Even ol' Vinny Mac admitted to an affair.

Wrestling business is insane :pac:

It is what B.A is getting at but am I alone in not giving a shiney sh**e about stuff like this? What Matt Riddle does, Matt Riddle does. I'll get killed for it but even Hogan wouldn't have me clutching my pearls.

The underage stuff and the really grievous allegations are different gravy but adults being "bad" or less than flawless is little skin off my nose.

George Best was an utterly crap father, he ploughed through women for sport (cause he could), he got himself a liver when there were probably more deserving people. I'd still view him as an utter legend. One of the all time greats. An absolutely genius on the football pitch.

Should I instead be disgarding his achievements to stand back to shake my "holier than thou" head because he wasn't a truly perfect individual.

Cancel things and people all you want but being an a*rsehole is not something that will make me run for my torch and pitchfork.

beakerjoe · 21-08-2020 1:29pm

ShagNastii wrote: »

It is what B.A is getting at but am I alone in not giving a shiney sh**e about stuff like this? What Matt Riddle does, Matt Riddle does. I'll get killed for it but even Hogan wouldn't have me clutching my pearls.

The underage stuff and the really grievous allegations are different gravy but adults being "bad" or less than flawless is little skin off my nose.

George Best was an utterly crap father, he ploughed through women for sport (cause he could), he got himself a liver when there were probably more deserving people. I'd still view him as an utter legend. One of the all time greats. An absolutely genius on the football pitch.

Should I instead be disgarding his achievements to stand back to shake my "holier than thou" head because he wasn't a truly perfect individual.

Cancel things and people all you want but being an a*rsehole is not something that will make me run for my torch and pitchfork.

+1.

Firstly cheating on your partner is a ****ty thing and yeah, it will make me look at someone in a slightly different light. But its not a wrestling problem, its a life thing.

People regardless of what profession or background have been cheating for years. It doesnt matter if your famous or it's bob from your office, it happens. And usually there is more to it than just he or she cheated on their partner.

The world is full of a*rseholes.

the eternal struggler · 21-08-2020 7:53pm

ShagNastii wrote: »

It is what B.A is getting at but am I alone in not giving a shiney sh**e about stuff like this? What Matt Riddle does, Matt Riddle does. I'll get killed for it but even Hogan wouldn't have me clutching my pearls.

The underage stuff and the really grievous allegations are different gravy but adults being "bad" or less than flawless is little skin off my nose.

George Best was an utterly crap father, he ploughed through women for sport (cause he could), he got himself a liver when there were probably more deserving people. I'd still view him as an utter legend. One of the all time greats. An absolutely genius on the football pitch.

Should I instead be disgarding his achievements to stand back to shake my "holier than thou" head because he wasn't a truly perfect individual.

Cancel things and people all you want but being an a*rsehole is not something that will make me run for my torch and pitchfork.

Finally someone talking actual sense. Dont join twitter pal, you'll be slaughtered.

Agent Coulson · 27-09-2020 2:00pm

BBC Sport have done a piece on this.

#SpeakingOut: Sexual misconduct in British professional wrestling's #MeToo moment

"He had this position of power over me and I was scared to leave - because if I left I'd have to stop training."

Wrestler Millie McKenzie was 17 when she entered into a relationship with her then 30-year-old coach.

McKenzie was one of several female colleagues to come forward in the space of a few days in June, alleging widespread abuse and sexual harassment in British professional wrestling - an 'entertainment' industry run by various fight promoters and inspired by the glamour and theatrics of its US counterpart the World Wrestling Entertainment (WWE).

BBC Sport has spoken to several female wrestlers, campaigners and promoters about the #SpeakingOut campaign - described as the wrestling industry's #MeToo moment - and what happens next............

https://www.bbc.com/sport/54180329

Lithium93_ · 29-09-2020 9:24pm

Joey Ryan filed a lawsuit against his #SpeakingOut accusers on the 24th of September.

https://411mania.com/wrestling/joey-ryan-lawsuit-speaking-out-accusers/

Agent Coulson · 09-10-2020 4:13pm

Matt Riddle's Accuser is suing Riddle, WWE, Evolve & Gabe Sapolsky for $10m each.

beakerjoe · 09-10-2020 4:48pm

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Matt Riddle's Accuser is suing Riddle, WWE, Evolve & Gabe Sapolsky for $10m each.

Riddle I get, but What has Evolve and WWE done to her?

Not many go up against WWE and win with McDevitt still around.

beakerjoe · 09-10-2020 4:49pm

Del Boy indicted.

https://www.cagesideseats.com/wwe/2020/10/9/21509299/alberto-del-rio-kidnapping-sexual-assault-indictment

Sounds like his controlling MO

Itssoeasy · 09-10-2020 4:59pm

beakerjoe wrote: »

Del Boy indicted.

https://www.cagesideseats.com/wwe/2020/10/9/21509299/alberto-del-rio-kidnapping-sexual-assault-indictment

Sounds like his controlling MO

I mean is the likelihood he’s a controlling asshole news ? I know Paige didn’t help herself at times but he wasn’t a saint either. Far from actually.

The White Wolf · 09-10-2020 5:46pm

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Matt Riddle's Accuser is suing Riddle, WWE, Evolve & Gabe Sapolsky for $10m each.

I think she's taking a little bit too much on there putting it mildly. Riddle feels like a spent force already though. I'm becoming a fan of Jey Uso but the fact he beat Riddle clean a few weeks ago is hard to take.

Lithium93_ · 09-10-2020 9:15pm

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Matt Riddle's Accuser is suing Riddle, WWE, Evolve & Gabe Sapolsky for $10m each.

There's also proof that WWE cancelled her for extras work.

https://babyfacevheel.substack.com/p/email-shows-wwe-cancelled-candy-cartwright

beakerjoe · 10-10-2020 4:34pm

Lithium93_ wrote: »

There's also proof that WWE cancelled her for extras work.

https://babyfacevheel.substack.com/p/email-shows-wwe-cancelled-candy-cartwright

The email is vague and WWE never stated anything specifically about her past with Riddle.

They will claim they werent aware of her issues with Riddle. Case will be dismissed.

Agent Coulson · 12-10-2020 12:06pm

Lars Sullivan in trouble now he is being accused of harassing a woman on social media.

Itssoeasy · 12-10-2020 1:39pm

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Lars Sullivan in trouble now he is being accused of harassing a woman on social media.

How the hell wasn’t he cut months ago ? At times wwe do things that make things infinitely harder for themselves. Lars Sullivan should’ve gotten the Enzo treatment but somehow he didn’t.

CastorTroy · 12-10-2020 3:10pm

How many people actually remembered him before he showed up on Smackdown the last night?

B.A._Baracus · 12-10-2020 3:53pm

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Lars Sullivan in trouble now he is being accused of harassing a woman on social media.

What an idiot.

So to sum it all up...
- he makes a gay porn years ago ... he's own business.
- he makes all sorts of public homophobic comments....
- said gay porn gets known so he is now also a hypocrite.
- he had a panic attack when he was meant to work with Cena (never a good thing in the shark infested waters of WWE)
- now after all the above he is back on wwe, but not without perving on some woman during his down time.

How does he have a job again? :pac:

Omackeral · 12-10-2020 4:05pm

Also made fun of people with mental illnesses and has shown sympathy for neo-nazism and pro rape material. A real POS if we're being honest.

Agent Coulson · 12-10-2020 4:46pm

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

What an idiot.

So to sum it all up...
- he makes a gay porn years ago ... he's own business.
- he makes all sorts of public homophobic comments....
- said gay porn gets known so he is now also a hypocrite.
- he had a panic attack when he was meant to work with Cena (never a good thing in the shark infested waters of WWE)
- now after all the above he is back on wwe, but not without perving on some woman during his down time.

How does he have a job again? :pac:

He also made a shed load of racist comments as well

The White Wolf · 12-10-2020 4:54pm

Omackeral wrote: »

Also made fun of people with mental illnesses and has shown sympathy for neo-nazism and pro rape material. A real POS if we're being honest.

Have to say I was shocked to see him on SmackDown. You would think being sacked was a foregone conclusion. Weird situation.

grames_bond · 15-10-2020 3:25pm

Didn't he also make some derogatory comments about Stephanie?

Who does he have blackmail on?

Loughc · 16-10-2020 12:10am

grames_bond wrote: »

Didn't he also make some derogatory comments about Stephanie?

Who does he have blackmail on?

I think he has a lockbox with info about Vince in it.

#SpeakOut - Sexual Assault Allegations Superthread

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