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#SpeakOut - Sexual Assault Allegations Superthread

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  • Registered Users Posts: 23,171 ✭✭✭✭J. Marston


    Didn't Batista do the dirt while his wife was going through cancer also?


  • Registered Users Posts: 29,080 ✭✭✭✭CastorTroy


    To add the Edge/Lita, she was with Matt.
    Wasn't Cena involved with someone while with someone else? Then the photos Seth sent to another woman before he was with Becky


  • Registered Users Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    CastorTroy wrote: »
    Wasn't Cena involved with someone while with someone else?

    Pornstar Kendra Lust I believe. Also apparently slept with Mickie James when she was with Ken Doane aka Kenny of the Spirit Squad.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,211 ✭✭✭LineOfBeauty


    Another allegation against Dream today. Same M.O, same motive. There's two ways of looking at it, either a group of unrelated kids have come together to target a wrestler with no justification using pretty advanced technology (including some pretty out there hacking) or what these different kids are saying is true and Dream has had sexually inappropriate conversations, sent inappropriate sexual pictures and tried to groom underage boys numerous times. That's the crux of it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 20,753 ✭✭✭✭beakerjoe


    I havent seen this new one yet, what is the kid alleging exactly and has he anything to back up the claim?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,211 ✭✭✭LineOfBeauty


    beakerjoe wrote: »
    I havent seen this new one yet, what is the kid alleging exactly and has he anything to back up the claim?

    Same as the others, a video of a chat with Dream on Instagram, Dream asking for pictures, aware of the kids age, turns the conversation sexual. It's the same, every single time.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,181 ✭✭✭The White Wolf


    What I don't get is that as each incident is leaked, Dream's value just goes down so why are WWE sticking so doggedly to their guns on it.

    Sorry to say this as I don't know the guy, but accusations like this stick and people just aren't going to look at him the same way and turn off the TV.


  • Registered Users Posts: 60,616 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    HHH was asked about the new allegations on the Takeover conference call last night and said..
    Triple H stated. "I'll stand by what I said on CBS. We looked into it, didn't find anything there in the manner of what we're looking for, and we moved on, but it doesn't change the fact that we take it seriously


  • Registered Users Posts: 23,171 ✭✭✭✭J. Marston


    What age is he? Because as seedy as this sounds WWE may be trying to say "technically" he did nothing wrong although morally it's gross and he should be gone. America's consent laws vary from state to state and range from 12 (for fúck sake) to 18.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,637 ✭✭✭RollieFingers


    The velveTEEN Dream.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,211 ✭✭✭LineOfBeauty


    What I don't get is that as each incident is leaked, Dream's value just goes down so why are WWE sticking so doggedly to their guns on it.

    Sorry to say this as I don't know the guy, but accusations like this stick and people just aren't going to look at him the same way and turn off the TV.

    There's only so long you can play down that there appears to be a paedophile on your roster. I think in the not too distant future we'll look back at NXT this week with Dream beating Balor clean and say "what in the name of God were they thinking?"

    All you can say is that this is not the first time that company has done something like this.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,181 ✭✭✭The White Wolf


    There's only so long you can play down that there appears to be a paedophile on your roster. I think in the not too distant future we'll look back at NXT this week with Dream beating Balor clean and say "what in the name of God were they thinking?"

    All you can say is that this is not the first time that company has done something like this.

    What!? FFS.....I knew there was something I forgot to check. That's absolutely ludicrous.


  • Registered Users Posts: 20,753 ✭✭✭✭beakerjoe


    There's only so long you can play down that there appears to be a paedophile on your roster. I think in the not too distant future we'll look back at NXT this week with Dream beating Balor clean and say "what in the name of God were they thinking?"

    All you can say is that this is not the first time that company has done something like this.

    The company care about themselves and wont do anything until their hand is forced.

    If there's no strong evidence, they will chastise him privately and hope it goes away.


  • Registered Users Posts: 339 ✭✭weareallmarks


    By watching and supporting, you give them the go ahead to continue behaving like they do.

    No way should we support a company who treats allegations like this.


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,013 ✭✭✭✭jaykhunter


    The "cut all ties" nuclear option is very internet. Or, harangue one of your favourite companies to better itself.


  • Registered Users Posts: 20,753 ✭✭✭✭beakerjoe


    By watching and supporting, you give them the go ahead to continue behaving like they do.

    No way should we support a company who treats allegations like this.

    I wouldnt expect any company to treat them any different. They arent in a position to reach out to any potential accusser.

    But WWE usually backs talent when they believe they are right. Jericho when he attacked a fan for example. While Dream has been accused, twice now, it all depends on what he is telling WWE which we dont know.

    While it doesnt look good for Dream right now, he could be innocent. The accusser has allegedly gone to the police, I think the ball is in the cops court now to investigate. Lets see what happens.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,853 ✭✭✭ShagNastii


    With regards to that subject I have lost count how many times wrestlers have admitted to being unfaithful.

    Bret Hart admitting to sleeping with a woman he had on the side in Italy in 1992 whenever he was over there. All while he was still married to his wife Julie.

    Jake Roberts openly admitted he was unfaithful.

    Honky Tonk said he told his wife he may get a knock on the door one day from someone saying you are my daddy.

    Batista cheated on his wife with divas (accordingly Melina)

    Bray Wyatt is believed to have been cheating on his wife with JoJo.

    The British Bulldog was sleeping with Sunny.

    Edge was married when the Lita deal happened.

    Even ol' Vinny Mac admitted to an affair.

    Wrestling business is insane :pac:

    It is what B.A is getting at but am I alone in not giving a shiney sh**e about stuff like this? What Matt Riddle does, Matt Riddle does. I'll get killed for it but even Hogan wouldn't have me clutching my pearls.

    The underage stuff and the really grievous allegations are different gravy but adults being "bad" or less than flawless is little skin off my nose.

    George Best was an utterly crap father, he ploughed through women for sport (cause he could), he got himself a liver when there were probably more deserving people. I'd still view him as an utter legend. One of the all time greats. An absolutely genius on the football pitch.

    Should I instead be disgarding his achievements to stand back to shake my "holier than thou" head because he wasn't a truly perfect individual.

    Cancel things and people all you want but being an a*rsehole is not something that will make me run for my torch and pitchfork.


  • Registered Users Posts: 20,753 ✭✭✭✭beakerjoe


    ShagNastii wrote: »
    It is what B.A is getting at but am I alone in not giving a shiney sh**e about stuff like this? What Matt Riddle does, Matt Riddle does. I'll get killed for it but even Hogan wouldn't have me clutching my pearls.

    The underage stuff and the really grievous allegations are different gravy but adults being "bad" or less than flawless is little skin off my nose.

    George Best was an utterly crap father, he ploughed through women for sport (cause he could), he got himself a liver when there were probably more deserving people. I'd still view him as an utter legend. One of the all time greats. An absolutely genius on the football pitch.

    Should I instead be disgarding his achievements to stand back to shake my "holier than thou" head because he wasn't a truly perfect individual.

    Cancel things and people all you want but being an a*rsehole is not something that will make me run for my torch and pitchfork.

    +1.

    Firstly cheating on your partner is a ****ty thing and yeah, it will make me look at someone in a slightly different light. But its not a wrestling problem, its a life thing.

    People regardless of what profession or background have been cheating for years. It doesnt matter if your famous or it's bob from your office, it happens. And usually there is more to it than just he or she cheated on their partner.

    The world is full of a*rseholes.


  • Registered Users Posts: 80 ✭✭the eternal struggler


    ShagNastii wrote: »
    It is what B.A is getting at but am I alone in not giving a shiney sh**e about stuff like this? What Matt Riddle does, Matt Riddle does. I'll get killed for it but even Hogan wouldn't have me clutching my pearls.

    The underage stuff and the really grievous allegations are different gravy but adults being "bad" or less than flawless is little skin off my nose.

    George Best was an utterly crap father, he ploughed through women for sport (cause he could), he got himself a liver when there were probably more deserving people. I'd still view him as an utter legend. One of the all time greats. An absolutely genius on the football pitch.

    Should I instead be disgarding his achievements to stand back to shake my "holier than thou" head because he wasn't a truly perfect individual.

    Cancel things and people all you want but being an a*rsehole is not something that will make me run for my torch and pitchfork.

    Finally someone talking actual sense. Dont join twitter pal, you'll be slaughtered.


  • Registered Users Posts: 60,616 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    BBC Sport have done a piece on this.

    #SpeakingOut: Sexual misconduct in British professional wrestling's #MeToo moment
    "He had this position of power over me and I was scared to leave - because if I left I'd have to stop training."

    Wrestler Millie McKenzie was 17 when she entered into a relationship with her then 30-year-old coach.

    McKenzie was one of several female colleagues to come forward in the space of a few days in June, alleging widespread abuse and sexual harassment in British professional wrestling - an 'entertainment' industry run by various fight promoters and inspired by the glamour and theatrics of its US counterpart the World Wrestling Entertainment (WWE).

    BBC Sport has spoken to several female wrestlers, campaigners and promoters about the #SpeakingOut campaign - described as the wrestling industry's #MeToo moment - and what happens next............

    https://www.bbc.com/sport/54180329


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  • Registered Users Posts: 48,990 ✭✭✭✭Lithium93_


    Joey Ryan filed a lawsuit against his #SpeakingOut accusers on the 24th of September.

    https://411mania.com/wrestling/joey-ryan-lawsuit-speaking-out-accusers/


  • Registered Users Posts: 60,616 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    Matt Riddle's Accuser is suing Riddle, WWE, Evolve & Gabe Sapolsky for $10m each.


  • Registered Users Posts: 20,753 ✭✭✭✭beakerjoe


    Matt Riddle's Accuser is suing Riddle, WWE, Evolve & Gabe Sapolsky for $10m each.

    Riddle I get, but What has Evolve and WWE done to her?

    Not many go up against WWE and win with McDevitt still around.


  • Registered Users Posts: 20,753 ✭✭✭✭beakerjoe




  • Registered Users Posts: 39,903 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    beakerjoe wrote: »

    I mean is the likelihood he’s a controlling asshole news ? I know Paige didn’t help herself at times but he wasn’t a saint either. Far from actually.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,181 ✭✭✭The White Wolf


    Matt Riddle's Accuser is suing Riddle, WWE, Evolve & Gabe Sapolsky for $10m each.

    I think she's taking a little bit too much on there putting it mildly. Riddle feels like a spent force already though. I'm becoming a fan of Jey Uso but the fact he beat Riddle clean a few weeks ago is hard to take.


  • Registered Users Posts: 48,990 ✭✭✭✭Lithium93_


    Matt Riddle's Accuser is suing Riddle, WWE, Evolve & Gabe Sapolsky for $10m each.

    There's also proof that WWE cancelled her for extras work.

    https://babyfacevheel.substack.com/p/email-shows-wwe-cancelled-candy-cartwright


  • Registered Users Posts: 20,753 ✭✭✭✭beakerjoe


    Lithium93_ wrote: »
    There's also proof that WWE cancelled her for extras work.

    https://babyfacevheel.substack.com/p/email-shows-wwe-cancelled-candy-cartwright

    The email is vague and WWE never stated anything specifically about her past with Riddle.

    They will claim they werent aware of her issues with Riddle. Case will be dismissed.


  • Registered Users Posts: 60,616 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    Lars Sullivan in trouble now he is being accused of harassing a woman on social media.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 39,903 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    Lars Sullivan in trouble now he is being accused of harassing a woman on social media.

    How the hell wasn’t he cut months ago ? At times wwe do things that make things infinitely harder for themselves. Lars Sullivan should’ve gotten the Enzo treatment but somehow he didn’t.


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