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  • #8582
    Spiderman0081
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 442 ✭✭Spiderman0081


    McGiver wrote: »
    Yes they are but that's irrelevant.

    They certainly didn't have 700k dead. Even if they underreported by factor of ten that's only 45k.

    They took pretty drastic measures by the way, by cutting off the whole city and province of Hubei. And universal mask usage amongst other things.
    I think china’s success in controlling the spread was more down to removing people from their homes against their will and containing them in buildings where they couldn’t escape. That and welding the entrances shut into apartment blocks.
    Could you please explain how Sweden are underreporting deaths, with evidence. It’s a pretty substantial claim so it would be nice if you had the proper information to keep the rest of us as enlightened as you are.


  • #8583
    Seanergy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,446 ✭✭✭Seanergy


    Yes: valved
    almostover wrote: »
    A trip to a local supermarket has highlighted to me that the main reason for these increased restrictions is the general apathy of the public to personal responsibility. Guy behind me sauntered into the supermarket with no mask on. Headphones on and oblivious to all around him. 3-4 more people with the mask below the nose as if the nose isn't connected in any way to their respiratory system. Another person with a face shield I wouldn't wear strimming, pretty sure the visors have been shown to be of limited effectiveness. Demoralising stuff really.

    People, even the more selfish were very good at the start, unfortunately the mixed messaging and lack of transparrency has eroded trust. Leo party in the park during a pandemic with your top off Varadkar started the covid 19 choice campaign and people have been choosing how to behave for themselves ever since.

    Sadly until visor's are completely shunned for their inability to deal with aersols the droplet selective learning choice fantatics will run havoc.


  • #8584
    robinph
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    No: I don't care enough
    I'd rather see someone who might have other reasons for not wearing a mask putting on a visor than having nothing on. You can hardly accuse them of rejecting the reasoning behind the wearing of masks if they have a visor on as it's not like it's a cooler look or anything.

    If someone needs to have their mouth visible for lip reading, does actually have some breathing issues, needs to be seen by their kids who have other issues or some other reason then yes they can wear a mask. It is still playing its part in showing that they are complying with the reasons for mask wearing and that those who refuse for no genuine reason are the odd ones out.


  • #8585
    givyjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,287 ✭✭✭givyjoe


    Yes: surgical
    robinph wrote: »
    I'd rather see someone who might have other reasons for not wearing a mask putting on a visor than having nothing on. You can hardly accuse them of rejecting the reasoning behind the wearing of masks if they have a visor on as it's not like it's a cooler look or anything.

    If someone needs to have their mouth visible for lip reading, does actually have some breathing issues, needs to be seen by their kids who have other issues or some other reason then yes they can wear a mask. It is still playing its part in showing that they are complying with the reasons for mask wearing and that those who refuse for no genuine reason are the odd ones out.

    My own father is 82, has pulmonary fibrosis, can barely breathe. A mask isn't possible but a visor is. Best he can do. He's only out of the house for doctors/hospital appointments though.


  • #8586
    Irish_peppa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 652 ✭✭✭Irish_peppa


    Yes: surgical
    In a eurospar i was in the security guard was actively asking people on entry to strap their masks on at the entrance and if they didnt have one to buy at the till before shopping. In lidl the security guard yesterday was just sauntering around and ignoring the 2 non mask wearers which i thought odd. From what I saw in lidl no-one approached the non mask wearers at all. I wonder who at store level has been told to enforce the mask policy is it the store manager or security personnel.


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  • #8587
    dartboardio
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,436 ✭✭✭dartboardio


    Tork wrote: »
    Really? Do you think the scientists who carried out this study are shills for mask makers? There's a good pic half way down through this. Do you think social distancing and washing your hands is horse manure too?

    https://thorax.bmj.com/content/early/2020/07/24/thoraxjnl-2020-215748

    There are other scientific studies which also have come up with much the same results. We're all still learning about this virus but one thing is becoming increasingly evident. It can be transmitted through the air, travelling via infected droplets that come out of people's mouths when they cough, speak and sneeze.

    Yes really.. believe it or not.

    Scientific studies my bxllix.. Sorry!

    I refuse to believe a piece of cloth on my face protects anyone around me. Infact, I don't think there's much we need to be protected from. Considering the other causes of death that many people endure have been completely ignored this year.

    and no, I don't go around giving out about restrictions or refusing to wear masks, but that is my own personal opinion deep down.


  • #8588
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,643 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    dartboardio wrote: »
    I refuse to believe a piece of cloth on my face protects anyone around me.

    Because you have some special understanding about how the virus spreads via aerosol droplets or something else?


  • #8589
    robinph
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    No: I don't care enough
    dartboardio wrote: »
    Yes really.. believe it or not.

    Scientific studies my bxllix.. Sorry!

    I refuse to believe a piece of cloth on my face protects anyone around me. Infact, I don't think there's much we need to be protected from. Considering the other causes of death that many people endure have been completely ignored this year.

    and no, I don't go around giving out about restrictions or refusing to wear masks, but that is my own personal opinion deep down.

    And you also believe that this is a conspiracy that every country in the world has bought into, with every flavour of political parties in power across the world, and scientists in every country in the world running their own studies into the effects on their local populations coming to the same conclusion?

    And this is all because someone wants to sell some off-cuts of fabric so that people can make some masks at home for themselves?


  • #8590
    Loafing Oaf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,905 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    No: I don't care enough
    Graham wrote: »
    Because you have some special understanding about how the virus spreads via aerosol droplets or something else?

    He's like Dev, he only has to look into his own heart to achieve a true understanding of how diseases are transmitted.


  • #8591
    Irish_peppa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 652 ✭✭✭Irish_peppa


    Yes: surgical
    Dr Marcus DeBrun and Computing Forever an Irish youtuber (with nearly half a million subscribers)

    "Da masks dont work" 3.40 :rolleyes:
    "the masks are a smokescreen":rolleyes:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50wGkBHYVZI&t=299s


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  • #8592
    Hrududu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,712 ✭✭✭Hrududu


    dartboardio wrote: »
    Scientific studies my bxllix.. Sorry!.


    ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


  • #8593
    dartboardio
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,436 ✭✭✭dartboardio


    robinph wrote: »
    And you also believe that this is a conspiracy that every country in the world has bought into, with every flavour of political parties in power across the world, and scientists in every country in the world running their own studies into the effects on their local populations coming to the same conclusion?

    And this is all because someone wants to sell some off-cuts of fabric so that people can make some masks at home for themselves?

    Didn't say anything of the sort. ^

    Don't get so caught up on it, some people are skeptical of the virus, others aren't. Surprise surprise. Everyone has their own opinions and thoughts. :rolleyes:

    Stop trying to patronize me just because you disagree with mine. :pac:

    Perfectly okay for someone to question the validity of a virus that has not even killed a percentage of our population yet the whole world was almost on lockdown.


  • #8594
    GT89
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,770 ✭✭✭GT89


    No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend
    robinph wrote: »
    I'm sure I asked you this before, but why should I be killed off 50 years before my time just because of a couple of additional medical conditions I have which are otherwise perfectly livable?

    But significantly less so if I'm one of the people to catch Covid19 in your cull of the population.

    Why should I change the way I live in order for some people to live? Is your life worth more than mine? There induvidual ways not to catch cv19 like cocooning if your that paranoid.


  • #8595
    The Nal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,909 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    robinph wrote: »
    And you also believe that this is a conspiracy that every country in the world has bought into, with every flavour of political parties in power across the world, and scientists in every country in the world running their own studies into the effects on their local populations coming to the same conclusion?

    They all had a big secret meeting, millions of them, back in 2019 and decided this was the plan of attack. Even Bojo, who nearly died from it.


  • #8596
    Allinall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,328 ✭✭✭Allinall


    dartboardio wrote: »
    I don't believe a mask protects me, or anyone else around me.

    I wear it here because we have to. I genuinely don't believe it protects anyone.

    I presume you'd be ok undergoing surgery with the surgeon and theatre staff not wearing masks?


  • #8597
    Stark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,199 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    No: other
    Irish_peppa wrote: »
    Dr Marcus DeBrun and Computing Forever an Irish youtuber (with nearly half a million subscribers)

    "Da masks dont work" 3.40 :rolleyes:
    "the masks are a smokescreen":rolleyes:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50wGkBHYVZI&t=299s

    "Dr." Marcus DeBrun is a moron conspiracy theorist. His opinions carry about as much weight as Jim Corr's in my mind.

    Also claims on the one hand that masks don't work and on another hand that they stop the healthy from being infected (oh I wonder how they could do that when they "don't work"???) which means no "lovely natural" herd immunity and means we'll have to take the "evil vacceeeens".

    Basically an anti-vaxxer spreading false information that masks don't work when his real fear is that they work all too well.


  • #8598
    GT89
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,770 ✭✭✭GT89


    No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend
    Allinall wrote: »
    I presume you'd be ok undergoing surgery with the surgeon and theatre staff not wearing masks?

    Last time I checked shops, buses and trains were not operating theatres


  • #8599
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,643 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    GT89 wrote: »
    Why should I change the way I live in order for some people to live? Is your life worth more than mine?

    I think you're confused.

    You're being asked to wear a mask, not sacrifice your life.


  • #8600
    Irish_peppa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 652 ✭✭✭Irish_peppa


    Yes: surgical
    Stark wrote: »
    "Dr." Marcus DeBrun is a moron conspiracy theorist. His opinions carry about as much weight as Jim Corr's in my mind.

    Also claims on the one hand that masks don't work and on another hand that they stop the healthy from being infected (oh I wonder how they could do that when they "don't work"???) which means no "lovely natural" herd immunity and means we'll have to take the "evil vacceeeens".

    Basically an anti-vaxxer spreading false information that masks don't work when his real fear is that they work all too well.

    Im amazed someone who went through i assume medical school to become a doctor could say such things and number 2 he could be quite possibly be damaging his career. His practice is in rush and I am sure a large precentage of people seeing him talk such nonsense would turn them off visiting his practice, I know i wouldnt return to ask him for advice after seeing his youtube videos.


  • #8601
    Loafing Oaf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,905 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    No: I don't care enough
    GT89 wrote: »
    Last time I checked shops, buses and trains were not operating theatres

    His "own personal opinion deep down" is that cloth masks cannot hinder the spread of viruses under any circumstances.


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  • #8602
    GT89
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,770 ✭✭✭GT89


    No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend
    Graham wrote: »
    I think you're confused.

    You're being asked to wear a mask, not sacrifice your life.

    It's not just masks though. Our freedoms are being restricted. Our lives are not the same as they were back in Feburary. It's not a case of everything is normal except peoole are wearing masks. Lot's of elements of our lives are still restricted like going to the pub for example.


  • #8603
    Tork
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,630 ✭✭✭Tork


    Yes: to protect others
    GT89 wrote: »
    It's not just masks though. Our freedoms are being restricted. Our lives are not the same as they were back in Feburary. It's not a case of everything is normal except peoole are wearing masks. Lot's of elements of our lives are still restricted like going to the pub for example.

    So how do you propose to solve this?


  • #8604
    Stark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,199 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    No: other
    Irish_peppa wrote: »
    Im amazed someone who went through i assume medical school to become a doctor could say such things and number 2 he could be quite possibly be damaging his career. His practice is in rush and I am sure a large precentage of people seeing him talk such nonsense would turn them off visiting his practice, I know i wouldnt return to ask him for advice after seeing his youtube videos.

    State of him:

    https://twitter.com/indepdubnrth/status/1295838462827003905/photo/1

    Reminds me of the "No contract, no consent!" crowd.


  • #8605
    GT89
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,770 ✭✭✭GT89


    No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend
    Tork wrote: »
    So how do you propose to solve this?

    Remove mandatory masks, open the pubs and get rid of virtually all covid restrictions. Allow our lives go back to normal like Sweden.


  • #8606
    Tork
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,630 ✭✭✭Tork


    Yes: to protect others
    GT89 wrote: »
    Remove mandatory masks, open the pubs and get rid of virtually all covid restrictions. Allow our lives go back to normal like Sweden.

    Not Sweden isn't acting like there is no virus, despite the headlines.


  • #8607
    GT89
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,770 ✭✭✭GT89


    No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend
    Tork wrote: »
    Not Sweden isn't acting like there is no virus, despite the headlines.

    I know that but there are no restrictions there only suggestions/guidelines from the government not laws


  • #8608
    Dubl07
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,801 ✭✭✭Dubl07


    Yes: other
    Loafing Oaf wrote: »
    His "own personal opinion deep down" is that cloth masks cannot hinder the spread of viruses under any circumstances.

    Covid can cause brain damage. One might extrapolate. Or early onset dementia, or just wanting to become notorious. Some people are just plain trolls.


  • #8609
    Allinall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,328 ✭✭✭Allinall


    GT89 wrote: »
    Last time I checked shops, buses and trains were not operating theatres

    The reason for wearing the mask is the same.


  • #8610
    Dubl07
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,801 ✭✭✭Dubl07


    Yes: other
    GT89 wrote: »
    Why should I change the way I live in order for some people to live? Is your life worth more than mine? There induvidual ways not to catch cv19 like cocooning if your that paranoid.

    I hope your grandparents and parents are proud of you and will be equally proud of your independence and arrogance when they lock the door in your face.


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  • #8611
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,643 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    GT89 wrote: »
    I know that but there are no restrictions there only suggestions/guidelines from the government not laws

    Increased deaths aside for now, the Swedish are better at complying with government/health guidelines.

    I hate to say it but there's a large cohort of our population who have clearly demonstrated they can't be trusted to do the same.


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