Opening of "No-Food" pubs pushed out again

LessOutragePlz · 19-08-2020 01:31PM

AdamD wrote: »

Are there numbers out of every other city in Europe or do we just base it off worst case scenarios?

Sweden ain't doing bad.

Charles Babbage · 19-08-2020 01:40PM

Lefty2Guns wrote: »

Only came across this recently, my fathers good friend died of a heart attack while at work. The hospital couldn't release his body until they tested him for COVID 19. They wanted to see if he died WITH C19 even though he had a heart attack. He would have went down as a COVID related death if he had it. Madness, how many more of those death stats are the similar? Government should be releasing those figures.

If the Covid caused the heart attack then it should be counted.

The chances of dying while having Covid without it having contributed to your death are very small.

Irish Steve · 19-08-2020 02:11PM

SusieBlue wrote: »

Irish pubs are operating completely differently, so they can’t be compared.

That was graphically demonstrated over the weekend, and too many of the "substantial meals" that are supposed to be part of the pubs that are open are nothing like, in content or value. A bag of chips from the next door chipper shared between 4 people at a table is not what was intended, or required.

Neowise · 19-08-2020 02:11PM

SusieBlue wrote: »

I don’t think that’s really fair when Scotland don’t have the same reopening procedures in place as we do.
From what I gather there is no time limit, food requirement or booking necessary for Scottish pubs and while they have the rule of staying seated, it was neither adhered to nor enforced.
Irish pubs are operating completely differently, so they can’t be compared.

One publican was reported to have put up an electric fence, normally used to restrict the movement of cattle, around his bar to stop punters trying to order at the bar.

SusieBlue · 19-08-2020 02:24PM

Irish Steve wrote: »

That was graphically demonstrated over the weekend, and too many of the "substantial meals" that are supposed to be part of the pubs that are open are nothing like, in content or value. A bag of chips from the next door chipper shared between 4 people at a table is not what was intended, or required.

One pub in Dublin does not reflect on all pubs nationwide.

I have been to easily 9/10 different venues over the last 6 weeks, some more than once, and can confirm that all except one pub obeyed the rules to a tee.
The one that disobeyed let us stay for half an hour later than they were supposed to, but other than that, all government guidelines were met.
I felt safe and looked after.

And unless you are going to argue that the ‘substantial meal’ offers any protection from the virus, you don’t really have an argument. The whole point of it is to deter people from making multiple bookings in multiple venues and for the most part it’s working.
Whether that means the customers are eating bags of chips from the chipper next door or an expensive steak is irrelevant because the concept is the same.

The pubs doing this are breaking no rules, they are providing meals as per the government guidelines via a third party vendor.

You simply cannot write off the whole pub trade based on the behaviour of one of them, or on clusters in another country with completely different rules.

copeyhagen · 19-08-2020 02:26PM

Thierry12 wrote: »

About 3 times less than Pneumonia then, that kills 20 a week

alo, the 5 miss-counted in August that were fom May/June.

another lockdowns what we need.

Quantum Erasure · 19-08-2020 02:34PM

lee_baby_simms wrote: »

I bet it [pneumonia] doesn't kill 20 per week at the moment. Mostly classified as covid.

If you're in ICU because of Covid, you might die of pneumonia, but it's not the root cause of death

PTH2009 · 19-08-2020 03:48PM

So the 105mins remains if you're not 2m away from others but if you are you can stay for as long as its open ?

I'll go in on my own and try and sit at a table where I'm as far as possible from others.

Kiith · 19-08-2020 03:54PM

Are hotel bars open for guests? Away in a few weeks, and wondering if they'll be open for a few pints (with food of course).

lee_baby_simms · 19-08-2020 03:56PM

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

If you're in ICU because of Covid, you might die of pneumonia, but it's not the root cause of death

So if an elderly individual in a nursing home with advanced cancer, COPD or Alzheimers, contracts covid and dies is it a covid death?

If the same comorbidities were present in 2019 and a nasty flu was the cause of death would it be recorded as flu?

stargazer 68 · 19-08-2020 03:56PM

Kiith wrote: »

Are hotel bars open for guests? Away in a few weeks, and wondering if they'll be open for a few pints (with food of course).

Yep. Each hotel seems to be doing their own thing though. Food and 105 minutes and out. Some there are no restrictions and can stay in the bar. Others are making you take your drinks into the lobby and will happily serve you there. Depends really!

19-08-2020 03:57PM

Yeah hotels are all over the shop. Very little info on what was happening in the two I stayed in too.

TomTomTim · 19-08-2020 04:07PM

Kiith wrote: »

Are hotel bars open for guests? Away in a few weeks, and wondering if they'll be open for a few pints (with food of course).

I was in a bar in a hotel in Dublin last month, I was there with guests, there was no need to buy food with your drink. Staying in a hotel in Kerry this month, I had to buy food with my drink, and they were enforcing the time limit.

IAMAMORON · 19-08-2020 04:12PM

Any hotel I have stayed in over the last few weeks have given me a drink how and when I want it, and rightly so.

I got a bit of crap off a staff member in a place a few Mondays ago, but that was out of sheer laziness as opposed to the staff member giving a hoot over virus prevention or anything like it. I called her out on it too and she backed down fairly sharpish... and rightly so.

PommieBast · 19-08-2020 05:25PM

SusieBlue wrote: »

I don’t think that’s really fair when Scotland don’t have the same reopening procedures in place as we do.

Not sure about Scotland but just got back from Hertfordshire where there is a huge variation in what pubs are doing. Aside from the 100mins rule some places are actually stricter than Irish requirements.

mountgomery burns · 19-08-2020 08:54PM

Can someone clarify this for me:

What's the basis of the 105 time limit where physical distancing is reduced to 1 metre?

Somebody on here before was saying it would mean somebody at the table next to yours would be considered a close contact, but the clinical definition from the outset has been somebody who is within 2 metres of you for 15 minutes so that can't be the case.

What's the rationale?

smellyoldboot · 19-08-2020 09:31PM

mountgomery burns wrote: »

Can someone clarify this for me:

What's the basis of the 105 time limit where physical distancing is reduced to 1 metre?

Somebody on here before was saying it would mean somebody at the table next to yours would be considered a close contact, but the clinical definition from the outset has been somebody who is within 2 metres of you for 15 minutes so that can't be the case.

What's the rationale?

Who knows. Sure you're grand for 7 hours at 1m in a school. Maybe try reciting the times tables in the pub. Try a bit of algebra to increase your immunity.

weldoninhio · 19-08-2020 09:43PM

Neowise wrote: »

One publican was reported to have put up an electric fence, normally used to restrict the movement of cattle, around his bar to stop punters trying to order at the bar.

It was a strip of metal with a “Warning! Electric Fence” sign on it. Not an actual electric fence ffs.

Tenzor07 · 19-08-2020 09:50PM

mountgomery burns wrote: »

Can someone clarify this for me:
What's the basis of the 105 time limit where physical distancing is reduced to 1 metre?
Somebody on here before was saying it would mean somebody at the table next to yours would be considered a close contact, but the clinical definition from the outset has been somebody who is within 2 metres of you for 15 minutes so that can't be the case.
What's the rationale?

It's a random figure plucked out of the air by Merrion street, you can sit on a Ryanair for 240 mins after a few beers at the airport terminal before you board...
You can go see a movie with 50 people or whatever the new figure is today and sit in a cinema with them for 210 mins....

Someone will come on now and refute the above and say it's to stop punters in a pub having more alcohol than they should and licking each other and every door handle in the place to get the virus and the meal will reduce their desire to do so...

Neowise · 19-08-2020 10:02PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

It was a strip of metal with a “Warning! Electric Fence” sign on it. Not an actual electric fence ffs.

Really?

https://www.rte.ie/news/newslens/2020/0714/1153304-electric-fence/

Looks like an electric fence to me.

Not just reported on rte btw.

https://www.google.com/search?q=electric+fence+pub

mountgomery burns · 19-08-2020 10:05PM

Surely that in itself is contrary to safe practice of public health?

PTH2009 · 19-08-2020 10:08PM

Taken from a local pubs Facebook, jesus it's like school but im going for a few tomorrow and enjoy. Obviously I will be obeying the rules

'**********UPDATED GUIDELINES **************

Due to the recent updated guidelines , as of today we must point out the following rules !

▪️Please wear your mask on entering the pub and only remove when you are seated ðŸª‘ , the mask is also to be put back on when leaving the premises .

▪️There will be hand sanitizers now attached to each table for you to use

▪️While we are taking walk ins we will also be taking bookings for tables

▪️We remind all customers you must remain seated at all times except to use the toilet or go for a cigarette . We will have enough staff on to ensure your tables are served at all times with table service

▪️Tables of 6 is the max number at any table

▪️We would ask anyone who’s doesn’t feel well to not come to the premises . This is a matter of public health for both yourself and the safety of our customers & staff .

Please remember we are operating as RESTAURANT not a bar so only those consuming food on the premises will be served alcohol !

Anyone looking for alcohol only will not be served .

Our main priority is to keep everyone safe . We ask you to please adhere to all the guidelines at all times to ensure a safe time at our bar'

weldoninhio · 19-08-2020 10:21PM

Neowise wrote: »

Really?

https://www.rte.ie/news/newslens/2020/0714/1153304-electric-fence/

Looks like an electric fence to me.

Not just reported on rte btw.

https://www.google.com/search?q=electric+fence+pub

“However, while he is determined to enforce social distancing on his premises to protect staff and customers alike, he does concede one thing - the fence has not been switched on.”

So a strip of metal with a sign.

weldoninhio · 19-08-2020 10:22PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

Taken from a local pubs Facebook, jesus it's like school but im going for a few tomorrow and enjoy. Obviously I will be obeying the rules

'**********UPDATED GUIDELINES **************

Due to the recent updated guidelines , as of today we must point out the following rules !

▪️Please wear your mask on entering the pub and only remove when you are seated ðŸª‘ , the mask is also to be put back on when leaving the premises .

▪️There will be hand sanitizers now attached to each table for you to use

▪️While we are taking walk ins we will also be taking bookings for tables

▪️We remind all customers you must remain seated at all times except to use the toilet or go for a cigarette . We will have enough staff on to ensure your tables are served at all times with table service

▪️Tables of 6 is the max number at any table

▪️We would ask anyone who’s doesn’t feel well to not come to the premises . This is a matter of public health for both yourself and the safety of our customers & staff .

Please remember we are operating as RESTAURANT not a bar so only those consuming food on the premises will be served alcohol !

Anyone looking for alcohol only will not be served .

Our main priority is to keep everyone safe . We ask you to please adhere to all the guidelines at all times to ensure a safe time at our bar'

Thank god the virus doesn’t transmit once your seated or your have to keep your mask on between bites.

Fitz* · 19-08-2020 10:55PM

mountgomery burns wrote: »

Can someone clarify this for me:

What's the basis of the 105 time limit where physical distancing is reduced to 1 metre?

Somebody on here before was saying it would mean somebody at the table next to yours would be considered a close contact, but the clinical definition from the outset has been somebody who is within 2 metres of you for 15 minutes so that can't be the case.

What's the rationale?

Premier League games last 105 mins, including half time. Pubs couldn't be turfing lads our before the game finishes.

Suckit · 19-08-2020 11:11PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

Thank god the virus doesn’t transmit once your seated or your have to keep your mask on between bites.

I am seriously not getting where the confusion seeps in.

These measures are to allow us to continue with the pubs open etc. They are preventative measures.

They are merely to help stop it spreading as fast. Not to stop it altogether. Not to kill it.
Slow it down.

Then hopefully by the time winter rolls in we can still lead some sort of normal life, while holding out for a vaccine. We won't be outside as often. Even in the rain and wind this evening, people were out walking etc.. Those numbers will decrease unless we have a mild winter.

Every step we take to slow it down helps. I am not so much worried about getting it as aI am about spreading it, so I am happy to try and help slow it down.

murpho999 · 19-08-2020 11:18PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

Thank god the virus doesn’t transmit once your seated or your have to keep your mask on between bites.

The logic is simple. As you walk by people on the way to your table then you're not spreading the virus to the them.

Remember some pubs are large and you could be walking by a lot of tables and people to get to your table.

smellyoldboot · 19-08-2020 11:44PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

How so compared too everyone else who are still going to pubs around the country ?

Pretty much anyone poring through restrictions/looking for llopholes at the present time in order to spend an evening however weird or restrictive in the pub likely has a drink problem. Admitting it is the first step to fixing it.

freak scence · 19-08-2020 11:59PM

smellyoldboot wrote: »

Pretty much anyone poring through restrictions/looking for llopholes at the present time in order to spend an evening however weird or restrictive in the pub likely has a drink problem. Admitting it is the first step to fixing it.

same as you poring through posts to be a total

smellyoldboot · 20-08-2020 12:10AM

freak scence wrote: »

bit sad to judge people

What about judges? Sad acts altogether?

Opening of "No-Food" pubs pushed out again

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