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Covid 19 Part XXI-27,908 in ROI (1,777 deaths) 6,647 in NI (559 deaths)(22/08)Read OP

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  • #7082
    [Deleted User]
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    Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »
    Down to 17 in hospital and now down to 6 in ICU. Positive numbers in all the gloom over cases.

    We had 174 cases on the 8th of August, and about 50 a day for the week leading up to it and we've seen very little movement in hospitalisations, interested to see how the next 2 weeks go.


  • #7083
    Strumms
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,856 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    No thats asymptomatic and pre-symptomatic, there is a huge difference

    The National Cancer Institute, just... “Having no signs or symptoms of disease”


  • #7084
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,628 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    bb1234567 wrote: »
    The figure of 90% asymtomatic rate obviously does not apply to the general population as workers are relatively young and able bodied , hence the large number of deaths.

    I agree here.

    Its an incredibly dangerous illness to those over 65, especially so with underlying issues, but for those well enough to attend work its not particularly dangerous at all


  • #7085
    Strumms
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,856 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    It's semantics, but if you have Covid-19 and are asymptomatic then you are infected but not ill.

    Not ill in terms of feeling ill , you have an illness / virus though.


  • #7086
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,085 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    I agree here.

    Its an incredibly dangerous illness to those over 65

    It's not really if your other wise healthy enough. It's definitely not their biggest killer or anywhere near it.


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  • #7087
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,197 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    ah lads really ? Like does anyone actually have a clue what they're at

    I think Waterford Whispers News sums it up well.. :pac: https://waterfordwhispersnews.com/2020/08/19/what-in-the-ever-living-****-is-going-on-wwn-explains-the-governments-new-covid-measures/


  • #7088
    M three
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,142 ✭✭✭M three


    Lundstram wrote: »
    You didn't seem to have a problem with the Vitners Association publicly condeming NPHET so why should the GAA be any different?

    The GAA have handed over stadiums for testing and do everything by the letter of the law regarding Covid19. As a player myself I know this for a fact. Very thorough throughout all this.

    They're well within their rights to question Glynn and get answers that its 300,000 members want.

    Lets not forget political pressure was applied in the run up to the last GAA Presidential election so that an unknown from New York was voted in instead of a Northern nationalist and well know figure Jarlath Burns.
    Its high time the GAA fought back against this incompetent government and started pushing a United Ireland


  • #7089
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,628 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    It's not really if your other wise healthy enough. It's definitely not their biggest killer or anywhere near it.

    70% of positive nursing home cases survived. I was shocked at the survival rate, it sounded like a guaranteed death sentence to nursing home patients listening to the media.


  • #7090
    What Username Guidelines
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,139 ✭✭✭What Username Guidelines


    Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »
    Down to 17 in hospital and now down to 6 in ICU. Positive numbers in all the gloom over cases.

    Unfortunately the hse report shows quite a jump (relatively) in ICU.

    There’s now 12 in ICU, up from 7 yesterday. 6 are ventilated, up from 4 yesterday.

    Hospital numbers are at 16, down from 20 yesterday.

    There does seem to be something odd with the report, given each hospital with icu patients all have 2 each, and some of those only show 1 in general beds, but they are reported at slightly different times (6.30 for ICU and 8pm for general beds)

    https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-updates/covid19-daily-operations-update-2000-19-august-2020.pdf


  • #7091
    Tenzor07
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,404 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    70% of positive nursing home cases survived. I was shocked at the survival rate, it sounded like a guaranteed death sentence to nursing home patients listening to the media.

    With all the confusion being sewed by the Government, everyone thinks this is an incompenance by the Govt. it's not...

    Who's talking about the 1000 deaths when OAP patients in hospitals were released back into their care home without any Covid testing... Basically the HSE authorised a release of all these patients and no one is talking about it now...


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  • #7092
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,085 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    70% of positive nursing home cases survived. I was shocked at the survival rate, it sounded like a guaranteed death sentence to nursing home patients listening to the media.

    A nursing home is gods waiting room, nobody gets out alive. I'm surprised with that 70% myself hadn't heard it. Still don't know if they died with Covid or from Covid, a lot of them were sent from the hospital to the nursing homes as well, they must have been pretty sick anyway.


  • #7093
    MerlinSouthDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    What Username Guidelines wrote: »
    Unfortunately the hse report shows quite a jump (relatively) in ICU.

    There’s now 12 in ICU, up from 7 yesterday. 6 are ventilated, up from 4 yesterday.

    Hospital numbers are at 16, down from 20 yesterday.

    There does seem to be something odd with the report, given each hospital with icu patients all have 2 each, and some of those only show 1 in general beds, but they are reported at slightly different times (6.30 for ICU and 8pm for general beds)

    https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-updates/covid19-daily-operations-update-2000-19-august-2020.pdf

    Yes it does look like a data error, I think they've just doubled up on the ICU numbers. Fingers crossed anyway


  • #7094
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,450 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    What Username Guidelines wrote: »
    Unfortunately the hse report shows quite a jump (relatively) in ICU.

    There’s now 12 in ICU, up from 7 yesterday. 6 are ventilated, up from 4 yesterday.

    Hospital numbers are at 16, down from 20 yesterday.

    There does seem to be something odd with the report, given each hospital with icu patients all have 2 each, and some of those only show 1 in general beds, but they are reported at slightly different times (6.30 for ICU and 8pm for general beds)

    https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-updates/covid19-daily-operations-update-2000-19-august-2020.pdf

    That report for what its worth is 16 total in hosptial including ICU. Took a while for that to actually be made clear a few weeks ago.

    But your right reports at different times so theres a bit of a difference in the numbers.

    Has happened before when out of nowhere Tallaght dropped from 9 cases to 0 cases in the report but was amended the next day.

    I'd be surprised out of 16 in hosptial 12 were in ICU.

    For what its worth on the data hub they're reporting 6 in ICU as of 7.30pm


  • #7095
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,760 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    2 deaths in ICU last 24hrs, so actually 7 admissions rather than 5.


  • #7096
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,427 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    That report for what its worth is 16 total in hosptial including ICU. Took a while for that to actually be made clear a few weeks ago.

    But your right reports at different times so theres a bit of a difference in the numbers.

    Has happened before when out of nowhere Tallaght dropped from 9 cases to 0 cases in the report but was amended the next day.

    I'd be surprised out of 16 in hosptial 12 were in ICU.

    For what its worth on the data hub they're reporting 6 in ICU as of 7.30pm
    Either way, looks like those 2 deaths announced today occurred in the last 24hrs in ICU. So not historic ones.


  • #7097
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,760 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    ICU:
    Tullamore (+2) - 2
    Tallaght (+1) - 2
    Sligo (+1) - 2
    Mater (--) - 2
    Kilkenny (-1) - 0
    Connolly (+1) - 2
    Beaumont (+1) - 2


  • #7098
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,450 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    2 deaths in ICU last 24hrs, so actually 7 admissions rather than 5.

    Report doesn't appear to be accurate.

    Data hub reporting 6 in ICU at of 19:30, with 1 admission and 1 discharge in last 24hrs


  • #7099
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,628 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    A nursing home is gods waiting room, nobody gets out alive. I'm surprised with that 70% myself hadn't heard it. Still don't know if they died with Covid or from Covid, a lot of them were sent from the hospital to the nursing homes as well, they must have been pretty sick anyway.

    The 70% was quoted by someone one newstalk earlier, I forget the guys name yet again.

    Basically he had some interesting quantifiable data like above but he ensured to remain on the correct PC side of discussion


  • #7100
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,760 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Report doesn't appear to be accurate.

    Data hub reporting 6 in ICU at of 19:30, with 1 admission and 1 discharge in last 24hrs
    Yeah I don't know if I believe it


  • #7101
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,427 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Report doesn't appear to be accurate.

    Data hub reporting 6 in ICU at of 19:30, with 1 admission and 1 discharge in last 24hrs

    Wouldn't be the first time it was incorrect. I just hope this is one of those times. Otherwise it's a significant increase in ICU.


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  • #7102
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,450 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    This is going to rumble on

    https://twitter.com/oconnellhugh/status/1296200641723981835?s=19

    https://twitter.com/SamanthaLibreri/status/1296200612758138880?s=19


  • #7103
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    No thats asymptomatic and pre-symptomatic, there is a huge difference

    Except in this Korean study of 1K infections and 15K close contacts.
    Over half of transmission events occurred BEFORE onset of symptoms.


    https://twitter.com/AliNouriPhD/status/1293913738953650176?s=20


  • #7104
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,085 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    Wouldn't be the first time it was incorrect. I just hope this is one of those times. Otherwise it's a significant increase in ICU.

    Are some ICU admissions a result of testing delaying treatment, if your sick and call the doctor you then have to wait for a test and result, I gave an example earlier of someone I know, was sick enough to call the doctor this morning, won't get a test until Friday afternoon, results maybe Tuesday, now that's 7 days there sick along with the 2 days before hand with symptoms.
    The only way that person can get any medical help is they get a&e level sick between now and then.
    Treatment needs to start with symptoms, were taking the sure see how it's goes road.


  • #7105
    jammiedodgers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,429 ✭✭✭jammiedodgers


    I've followed pretty much every guideline that has been asked of the public since this began. I've pretty much agreed with them all and maybe that's cos they were explained well previously.

    But this week has changed. How can you justify allowing 50 (possibly older/vulnerable) people into a church but not allowing to stand on the side pitch in the open air with plenty of space.

    More powers to be given to Gardai when it should be the HSA given extra resources to inspect the factories where the outbreaks are actually happening.

    Announcements made over 24 hours ago are still being clarified throughout this afternoon and even tonight there remains uncertainty on indoor restrictions it seems.

    Donnelly trying to compare kids going back to school as the same risk as getting in a car? Really? That's what the trolls weree posting in these threads in March ffs!

    And then you have Martin. I'm genuinely surprised Eamon Ryan stayed awake during the press conference yesterday.


  • #7106
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Vaccine when it comes will likely be in form of nasal form as this route provides more protection from infection (in mice). Nice graphic explaining.
    Not nice to think of the poor mice.

    6034073


  • #7107
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,197 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    jammiedodgers wrote: »
    I've followed pretty much every guideline that has been asked of the public since this began. I've pretty much agreed with them all and maybe that's cos they were explained well previously.

    But this week has changed. How can you justify allowing 50 (possibly older/vulnerable) people into a church but not allowing to stand on the side pitch in the open air with plenty of space.

    More powers to be given to Gardai when it should be the HSA given extra resources to inspect the factories where the outbreaks are actually happening.

    Announcements made over 24 hours ago are still being clarified throughout this afternoon and even tonight there remains uncertainty on indoor restrictions it seems.

    Donnelly trying to compare kids going back to school as the same risk as getting in a car? Really? That's what the trolls weree posting in these threads in March ffs!

    And then you have Martin. I'm genuinely surprised Eamon Ryan stayed awake during the press conference yesterday.

    I've seen some speculation it's because people congregate before and after matches but I don't see how that's any different to gigs of same size outdoors say. Not that there will be many of those this time of year but still. Either way think they need to explain rationale behind decisions to have better buy-in from the public.

    If measures aren't seen to be consistent, fair or equally applied, they won't be sustainable.


  • #7108
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    Are some ICU admissions a result of testing delaying treatment, if your sick and call the doctor you then have to wait for a test and result, I gave an example earlier of someone I know, was sick enough to call the doctor this morning, won't get a test until Friday afternoon, results maybe Tuesday, now that's 7 days there sick along with the 2 days before hand with symptoms.
    The only way that person can get any medical help is they get a&e level sick between now and then.
    Treatment needs to start with symptoms, were taking the sure see how it's goes road.

    Depending on the profile of the person. Early treatment essential.
    They reckon that's why Germany had such better outcomes to other parts of Europe. They had the highest capacity. There is a relationship between length of time between symptoms and hospital admission with mortality. I'll have a look but basically earlier intervention = better outcome as you'd expect.


  • #7109
    Non solum non ambulabit
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,089 ✭✭✭Non solum non ambulabit


    What Username Guidelines wrote: »
    Unfortunately the hse report shows quite a jump (relatively) in ICU.

    There’s now 12 in ICU, up from 7 yesterday. 6 are ventilated, up from 4 yesterday.

    Hospital numbers are at 16, down from 20 yesterday.

    There does seem to be something odd with the report, given each hospital with icu patients all have 2 each, and some of those only show 1 in general beds, but they are reported at slightly different times (6.30 for ICU and 8pm for general beds)

    https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-updates/covid19-daily-operations-update-2000-19-august-2020.pdf

    Yes, discrepancies in the data sets.

    https://covid19ireland-geohive.hub.arcgis.com/pages/hospitals-icu--testing


  • #7110
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,046 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    No thats asymptomatic and pre-symptomatic, there is a huge difference

    Still infected even if asymptomatic. Body dealing with infection without showing usual symptoms just .
    Doesn't mean not infection toys or that will remain well .

    Pre symptomatic is before symptoms appear.

    Hard to know if one isn't the other unless checked after isolation period or retested at 7 days .


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  • #7111
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,085 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Depending on the profile of the person. Early treatment essential.
    They reckon that's why Germany had such better outcomes to other parts of Europe. They had the highest capacity. There is a relationship between length of time between symptoms and hospital admission with mortality. I'll have a look but basically earlier intervention = better outcome as you'd expect.

    Yea that's what I assume, doctors won't do anything for you to treat initial symptoms, Surely there's some drugs of use to help stop or delay before it hits your lungs. The only thing the person I referred to was advised take is paracetamol.


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