How will schools be able to go back in September? (Continued)

gabeeg · 19-08-2020 08:11PM

josip wrote: »

Whatever about the questionable cost Sammy, the data tracking and cloud storage you've mentioned, isn't dissimilar to what most with Android/iOS devices consent to.

Maybe.

But you have to legally consent to apps

Sammy2012 · 19-08-2020 08:12PM

josip wrote: »

Whatever about the questionable cost Sammy, the data tracking and cloud storage you've mentioned, isn't dissimilar to what most with Android/iOS devices consent to.

My 4 and 7 year olds don't have phones.

i_surge · 19-08-2020 08:14PM

Sammy2012 wrote: »

Why is there a need to store my picture and information? I have no problem with my temp being taken with a normal thermometer.

The temp scanner takes your picture?

Sammy2012 · 19-08-2020 08:15PM

i_surge wrote: »

The temp scanner takes your picture?

Yes. I'm looking at it here online at the moment. It uses facial recognition and acts as a clock in and out. It's for business primarily I assume.

Quantum Erasure · 19-08-2020 08:18PM

It's also their biometric data that's being stored, absolutely no need for it

lulublue22 · 19-08-2020 08:19PM

Sammy2012 wrote: »

Yes. I'm looking at it here online at the moment.

That’s some serious piece of kit - what will ye do post covid ? it’ll hardly be still around for the next pandemic

I’m sorry who thought this was a good idea ? Maybe ye are a big school and they thought normal thermometers wouldn’t cope with the volume of people ?

Sammy2012 · 19-08-2020 08:21PM

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

It's also their biometric data that's being stored, absolutely no need for it

Cannot understand it at all. I also know as I have worked in the school for a number of years we do not have a GDPR policy in place and anytime it is brought up to the principall it is "too much red tape"

Sammy2012 · 19-08-2020 08:22PM

lulublue22 wrote: »

That’s some serious piece of kit - what will ye do post covid ? it’ll hardly be still around for the next pandemic I’m sorry who thought this was a good idea ? Maybe ye are a big school and they thought normal thermometers wouldn’t cope with the volume of people ?

Small rural school with less than 120 pupils!!!! The principal purchased this with no consulting with anyone.

lulublue22 · 19-08-2020 08:27PM

Sammy2012 wrote: »

Small rural school with less than 120 pupils!!!! The principal purchased this with no consulting with anyone.

Principal is on a solo mission so - I think you should go for the LWR unless it would just cause you more stress.

Sunday Sunday · 19-08-2020 08:33PM

Sammy2012 wrote: »

Yes. I'm looking at it here online at the moment. It uses facial recognition and acts as a clock in and out. It's for business primarily I assume.

Automated facial recognition can breach GDPR, as the technology often fails to meet the requirement for consent.

It's ok if parental consent is given, alternatively its allowed in some cases for security or health but that would take a blanket wide directive that these are required in all schools. Not in the case where someone in charge of the purse strings in one school decides to take it upon themselves.

I do think they are good and takes a lot of work out of taking a person's temp but the benefits of temp checking for covid are questionable plus you will end up with a huge queue of students waiting in line to be checked so logistically probably not worth it.

Queried · 19-08-2020 08:55PM

You may have done this already but if you have concerns about the reopening of schools you can send an email to reopeningschools@education.gov.ie.

gabeeg · 19-08-2020 08:55PM

I'll give you €20 a week for a go of them

gabeeg · 19-08-2020 09:04PM

This will annoy you

https://twitter.com/VirginMediaNews/status/1296165049950765061?s=19

Queried · 19-08-2020 09:05PM

https://mobile.twitter.com/virginmedianews/status/1296165049950765061?s=21

Just saw this on the main Covid thread. Thanks Stephen, I feel much more comfortable in following your guidance now.

gabeeg · 19-08-2020 09:07PM

Can anyone remember how and why Stephen Donnelly had "it"

That certain níl fhios agam

gabeeg · 19-08-2020 09:07PM

Can anyone remember how and why Stephen Donnelly had "it"

That certain níl fhios agam

khalessi · 19-08-2020 09:17PM

gabeeg wrote: »

Can anyone remember how and why Stephen Donnelly had "it"

That certain níl fhios agam

I think they left out the sh in front of "it"

Bananaleaf · 19-08-2020 09:17PM

Benimar wrote: »

It’s a school. It has a special shield from Covid, don’t you know!

Ah yeah, I know. But come on. Seriously. At what point are we going to stand up for ourselves? I've contacted the union about this - would others not do the same? I mean, I get that taking on the government to keep the schools closed might be too much but there is no reason our start up meetings have to happen with us all in the same room together. This is horsesh1t

Ray Donovan · 19-08-2020 09:27PM

Im a primary teacher and I feel that school reopening should be delayed 3 weeks to see if we can get cases down.

During that 3 weeks all teachers should be in schools for

1) Getting the buildings/classrooms etc ready for the return of students. Huge work to be done and

2) Clarifying and preparing the remote learning that will be used if/when the school(s) close so that it will be a seamless transition if it comes to pass.

However these ideas probably make sense so they won't be implemented.

teachinggal123 · 19-08-2020 09:35PM

Ray Donovan wrote: »

Im a primary teacher and I feel that school reopening should be delayed 3 weeks to see if we can get cases down.

During that 3 weeks all teachers should be in schools for

1) Getting the buildings/classrooms etc ready for the return of students. Huge work to be done and

2) Clarifying and preparing the remote learning that will be used if/when the school(s) close so that it will be a seamless transition if it comes to pass.

However these ideas probably make sense so they won't be implemented.

1,000,000% agree with this.

Exactly what should happen... but, of course, won't.

jimmytwotimes 2013 · 19-08-2020 09:35PM

Bananaleaf wrote: »

Obviously there are more than 6 of you? How is this allowed?

No idea.

I gave up expressing an opinion bout halfway thro the lockdown. Waste of effort

Bananaleaf · 19-08-2020 09:42PM

jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: »

No idea.

I gave up expressing an opinion bout halfway thro the lockdown. Waste of effort

I get you. I'm still on to the union, the dept, politicians and principal but I'm going through the motions now. Nobody replying but at same time I keep going because I want the proof that I was ignored for months

gabeeg · 19-08-2020 09:45PM

Bananaleaf wrote: »

I get you. I'm still on to the union, the dept, politicians and principal but I'm going through the motions now. Nobody replying but at same time I keep going because I want the proof that I was ignored for months

Reach out to a journalist on Twitter and offer to a reveal all interview on the condition you're pixelated and fully Gerry Adamsed

jimmytwotimes 2013 · 19-08-2020 09:51PM

gabeeg wrote: »

Reach out to a journalist on Twitter and offer to a reveal all interview on the condition you're pixelated and fully Gerry Adamsed

The voice actor who used to do Gerry wud be glad of the work surely

jrosen · 19-08-2020 09:51PM

Ray Donovan wrote: »

Im a primary teacher and I feel that school reopening should be delayed 3 weeks to see if we can get cases down.

During that 3 weeks all teachers should be in schools for

1) Getting the buildings/classrooms etc ready for the return of students. Huge work to be done and

2) Clarifying and preparing the remote learning that will be used if/when the school(s) close so that it will be a seamless transition if it comes to pass.

However these ideas probably make sense so they won't be implemented.

Exactly what should have happened in March or April or May or June.

wrangler · 19-08-2020 09:59PM

jrosen wrote: »

Exactly what should have happened in March or April or May or June.

I posted similar months ago and was told it wasn't their responsibility, you can't argue with an attitude like that...... we're all in this together ..... yea right.
They've done huge harm by not facilitating students taking the leaving cert and all the empty classrooms and hotel ballrooms that were idle and available around the country.

BonsaiKitten · 19-08-2020 10:04PM

wrangler wrote: »

I posted similar months ago and was told it wasn't their responsibility, you can't argue with an attitude like that...... we're all in this together ..... yea right.
They've done huge harm by not facilitating students taking the leaving cert and all the empty classrooms and hotel ballrooms that were idle and available around the country.

Who is 'they', exactly?

byhookorbycrook · 19-08-2020 10:07PM

Our staff have been in over various different days getting the school ready and will be in again until we get back , most primary schools are the same .
As to a remote learning platform, the DES have had from March to do this, but as ever , dithered and nothing happened.

jrosen · 19-08-2020 10:10PM

BonsaiKitten wrote: »

Who is 'they', exactly?

imo all teachers should have been in school setting up months ago. I accept guidelines hadn't been issued. I accept the failure of the dept.

All this wasted time and ultimately each school seems to be calling their own shots. All of which could have been done months ago. Its a **** show tbh so this idea that now at the final hour schools should close for another 3 weeks isn't really acceptable.

byhookorbycrook · 19-08-2020 10:14PM

jrosen wrote: »

imo all teachers should have been in school setting up months ago. I accept guidelines hadn't been issued. I accept the failure of the dept.

All this wasted time and ultimately each school seems to be calling their own shots. All of which could have been done months ago. Its a **** show tbh so this idea that now at the final hour schools should close for another 3 weeks isn't really acceptable.

Without DES guidelines, a school couldn’t do anything, school layout wise .
Schools scrambled to get some remote system in place in March in the absence of anything from the DES. Ten weeks in the DES issued vague ideas, but nothing standard or actually useful .

How will schools be able to go back in September? (Continued)

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