How will schools be able to go back in September? (Continued)

Sammy2012 · 19-08-2020 03:31PM

Murple wrote: »

We’re working on getting hot water and paper towels to every school in the country. I think facial recognition software will have to wait!

Would you believe we don't have access to hot water in the bathrooms but have spent that amount on two facial recognition thermometers which I would assume we will need parental permission to use.

downthemiddle · 19-08-2020 03:34PM

Peter Flynt wrote: »

Does anyone know what the story is regarding staff meetings for teachers?

Are teachers expected not to comply with the 6 people in a room rule?

Rules don’t appear to apply to schools.

downthemiddle · 19-08-2020 03:35PM

Sammy2012 wrote: »

Would you believe we don't have access to hot water in the bathrooms but have spent that amount on two facial recognition thermometers which I would assume we will need parental permission to use.

If they store personal data they will definitely cause an issue.

solerina · 19-08-2020 03:35PM

Peter Flynt wrote: »

Does anyone know what the story is regarding staff meetings for teachers?

Are teachers expected not to comply with the 6 people in a room rule?

Our first staff meeting next week is online and a full day of training after all online too

beggars_bush · 19-08-2020 03:36PM

Sammy2012 wrote: »

Can schools use facial recognition software to store to children's data or daily temperature?

Ha ha. You're funny

BrianD3 · 19-08-2020 03:37PM

One of the biggest fiascos in the history of the state but I don't put all of the blame on the current or previous government for it. Like the health service and nursing homes, it is another example of chickens coming home to roost. Fundamentally, we are in a situation where many families have two working parents and schools are regarded as childcare facilities by many.

That is (mostly) what this is about IMO.

Public health person: we're in a global pandemic we need to do x y and z
Politician 1: Hang on a minute, how can we do all that and open the schools at the same time.
Politician 2: Jaysus you're right, who will mind the children if schools aren't open.
Politician 3: We'll just have to muddle through.

Then there's the way that education is structured - teachers are not employed directly by the Dept of Education but by individual BOMs. Schools are left to do their own thing and are influenced by the personality and ability of individual principals. Parents are asked for voluntary contributions even though education is supposedly free.

Now we have a crisis where leadership and a coordinated, centralised approach is necessary and it seems that it can't happen. Typical Ireland really. Full of little kingdoms - hospitals, charities, county councils, quangos, schools. Convenient for central government in this case as if there is a Covid outbreak in a school while we "muddle through", it'll be spun as being the individual school's fault.

Sammy2012 · 19-08-2020 03:37PM

downthemiddle wrote: »

If they store personal data they will definitely cause an issue.

I have to find out fully tomorrow. But what I've heard is kids line up in a specific order on the first day to allow face be stored on a data base the first day and then then can enter in any order the following days.

Sammy2012 · 19-08-2020 03:38PM

beggars_bush wrote: »

Ha ha. You're funny

I'm not joking. I've seen the invoice. 4.2k. We don't have hot water in the bathrooms and are not allowed to buy resources for out classroom in a normal year.

wirelessdude01 · 19-08-2020 03:38PM

solerina wrote: »

Our first staff meeting next week is online and a full day of training after all online too

What is the online training consisting of?

catrat12 · 19-08-2020 03:39PM

Have a zoom staff meeting today presume all of meetings will be done like this in future

Queried · 19-08-2020 03:42PM

Sammy2012 wrote: »

I'm not joking. I've seen the invoice. 4.2k. We don't have hot water in the bathrooms and are not allowed to buy resources for out classroom in a normal year.

Can confirm that my school got hot water for the first time over the summer too. I don't think people realise the conditions in many schools, particularly older ones.

Edit: Apologies, just noticed your comment was about purchasing thermometers and not hot water.

Sammy2012 · 19-08-2020 03:44PM

Queried wrote: »

Can confirm that my school got hot water for the first time over the summer too. I don't think people realise the conditions in many schools, particularly older ones.

Yes but your school didn't spend 4200e on facial recognition thermometers. It actually has hot water now. We still don't.

Queried · 19-08-2020 03:45PM

Sammy2012 wrote: »

Yes but your school didn't spend 4200e on facial recognition thermometers. It actually has hot water now. We still don't.

Madness. They SOUND fancy and high tech though :rolleyes:

Sammy2012 · 19-08-2020 03:48PM

Queried wrote: »

Madness. They SOUND fancy and high tech though :rolleyes:

Will definitely keep the virus away.

lulublue22 · 19-08-2020 03:54PM

Sammy2012 wrote: »

Would you believe we don't have access to hot water in the bathrooms but have spent that amount on two facial recognition thermometers which I would assume we will need parental permission to use.

That’s a bit mad when you read the guidelines that taking temp in schools are not mandatory and a substantial number don’t present with a high temp. Nice to have but not at the expense of hot water. Even if cold water is as effective as hot you need hot water during the winter to encourage children to wash their hands for the required length of time.

As an aside I’d say they are mad yokes altogether - facial recognition thermometers

Sammy2012 · 19-08-2020 03:59PM

lulublue22 wrote: »

That’s a bit mad when you read the guidelines that taking temp in schools are not mandatory and a substantial number don’t present with a high temp.

I totally agree.

downthemiddle · 19-08-2020 04:00PM

Sammy2012 wrote: »

Yes but your school didn't spend 4200e on facial recognition thermometers. It actually has hot water now. We still don't.

You can hire them for 20 euro a week.

Sammy2012 · 19-08-2020 04:01PM

downthemiddle wrote: »

You can hire them for 20 euro a week.

Thanks for the tip. The purchase was nothing to do with me. I've just heard about it from colleagues.

gabeeg · 19-08-2020 04:27PM

Sammy2012 wrote: »

Thanks for the tip. The purchase was nothing to do with me. I've just heard about it from colleagues.

Well don't worry, I hear you can rent them out for €20 a week

jimmytwotimes 2013 · 19-08-2020 04:40PM

solerina wrote: »

Our first staff meeting next week is online and a full day of training after all online too

We're being brought in to building for our meeting (sports hall)

Halfdane · 19-08-2020 06:14PM

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

NPHET we were told would be making recommendations to cabinet about schools today.

Min for Education isnt at the press breifing to answer questions

This is a ****ing disgrace at this stage

Has anything come of this yet? Any word?

deiseindublin · 19-08-2020 06:46PM

Have the media even asked where NF is MIA?

Bobtheman · 19-08-2020 07:05PM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

34 minutes of nonsense.

Pretty much everything I read from department last few years.

Bananaleaf · 19-08-2020 07:19PM

jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: »

We're being brought in to building for our meeting (sports hall)

Obviously there are more than 6 of you? How is this allowed?

Benimar · 19-08-2020 07:22PM

Bananaleaf wrote: »

Obviously there are more than 6 of you? How is this allowed?

It’s a school. It has a special shield from Covid, don’t you know!

BonsaiKitten · 19-08-2020 07:27PM

Sammy2012 wrote: »

I'm not joking. I've seen the invoice. 4.2k. We don't have hot water in the bathrooms and are not allowed to buy resources for out classroom in a normal year.

That is shocking. I'd be sending in an anonymous message to a local paper if I were you. Or getting onto a TD.

Sammy2012 · 19-08-2020 08:03PM

BonsaiKitten wrote: »

That is shocking. I'd be sending in an anonymous message to a local paper if I were you. Or getting onto a TD.

Have been looking it up. It's what I think it is. Logs lots of data on everyone. Check in and out times, keeps all data in a cloud. No way will I be consenting to it for either myself as a staff member or for my own children who attend the school either.

i_surge · 19-08-2020 08:05PM

Sammy2012 wrote: »

Have been looking it up. It's what I think it is. Logs lots of data on everyone. Check in and out times, keeps all data in a cloud. No way will I be consenting to it for either myself as a staff member or for my own children who attend the school either.

I don't see the problem.

I would be much more concerned about CCTV or other invasions of privacy than somebody knowing what my temperature was.

Sammy2012 · 19-08-2020 08:06PM

i_surge wrote: »

I don't see the problem.

I would be much more concerned about CCTV or other invasions of privacy than somebody knowing what my temperature was.

Why is there a need to store my picture and information? I have no problem with my temp being taken with a normal thermometer.

josip · 19-08-2020 08:08PM

Sammy2012 wrote: »

Have been looking it up. It's what I think it is. Logs lots of data on everyone. Check in and out times, keeps all data in a cloud. No way will I be consenting to it for either myself as a staff member or for my own children who attend the school either.

Whatever about the questionable cost Sammy, the data tracking and cloud storage you've mentioned, isn't dissimilar to what most with Android/iOS devices consent to.

How will schools be able to go back in September? (Continued)

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