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Covid 19 Part XXI-27,908 in ROI (1,777 deaths) 6,647 in NI (559 deaths)(22/08)Read OP

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  • #6422
    John O.Groats
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 837 ✭✭✭John O.Groats


    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    Gyms are gone to a max of 6 indoors and 15 outdoors

    Are there any outdoor gyms in operation? I have yet to see one.


  • #6423
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,077 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    obi604 wrote: »
    The 6 indoors is specifically for classes as I understand it. Not the actual General gym.

    OK misunderstood that so


  • #6424
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,046 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Deleted User wrote: »
    We are there already. Leo talked about moving up and down phases like it was like hitting a switch. You can't just reimpose restrictions like that on society. Politicians will not like doing it and people won't stand for it. We in all seriousness need another lockdown as our r number is nowhere near 1 and has not been for a long time.

    Yes... and where is Cillian de Gascun recently?
    Is he on holidays ?
    I think not only are MM and SD out of their depth here , but also Glynn looked like a small boy lost on that podium.

    We are indeed suffering from not only a change in political leadership , but also the authority that NPHET seemed to have under Tony Holohan .


  • #6425
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,077 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    John O.Groats wrote: »
    Are there any outdoor gyms in operation? I have yet to see one.

    Outdoor classes really

    Went by one in Limerick tonight

    12 at the class


  • #6426
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,197 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    road_high wrote: »
    Of course you would...!

    It's all speculation tbf so I'm more thinking out loud. Many on here didn't think there would be any new measures on Monday and saw how quickly things changed since. With this year you can't really rule anything out definitively. I wouldn't think it would be at scale of previous lockdown as in back to stage 1 but there may be last resort plans to have some nationwide measures as a way of suppressing virus if it came to it


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  • #6427
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,197 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    AdamD wrote: »
    Still no medium term plan. So if we have a great 4 weeks, reduce the spread massively, what happens? We open things up and get back to the same place? This is utterly unsustainable. Interesting to see how hospitalisations go over the next 2 weeks because 19 people in hospital doesn't justify measures like this.

    Will also be interesting to see the levels of compliance

    Meant to be a resilience plan (think that's what they called it) for next 6/9 months out before 13th September afaik


  • #6428
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    hmmm wrote: »
    There's some good stats here:

    https://twitter.com/President_MU/status/1295851284659044354

    Nolan is effectively a retired MD and a university administrator. He shouldn't be within an ass's roar of any of this.


  • #6429
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,046 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Nope, into the office tomorrow morning on it.

    The work from home where possible advise was always still current anyway

    I thought they meant elderly and medically vulnerable , not your average person?


  • #6430
    SeaBreezes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,554 ✭✭✭SeaBreezes


    Akabusi wrote: »
    It has gotten to the stage where we should just bite the bullet and get the virus on purpose. No I'm serious, anyone who is healthy and say between the ages of 18 and 45 could turn up to a designated centre in each county and be administered the virus. If a quarter our population got the virus at once say over a weekend, then we as country immediately go into a strict lockdown for 20 days, when we come out of it hey presto we have achieved herd imunity in a controlled manner thus protecting the vulnerable people of our nation.
    People will say, its a crazy idea and there will be thousands of deaths and our hospitals will be overrun, i don't think so, I'd say the vast majority would have no symptoms and those that have symptoms will be mild. When the lockdown is over we as a country can then lift the restrictions and go about our normal business.
    With the path we are going now, most of those people are going to get it anyway over the coming months and they will unwittingly pass it on to vulnerable people leading to more deaths and the misery will continue.

    No. Average corinavirus immunity for a coronavirus is 9 months. We have no idea if this coronavirus is the same.but if you were to go by other coronaviruses... and we are only reaching the 9 month limit now.

    Anecdotally and scientifically re-infection seems to be possible. And it maybe worse the 2nd time. None of this is scientifically proven and time will tell.

    Hopefully, once you've had it thats it. But no-one knows for sure yet. Give it a year. Will know more in 12 months.
    But in the meantime, better not to be the guinea pig.


  • #6431
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    khalessi wrote: »
    The problem with that plan is that a percentage would end up in ICU. Just think of the nurse who appeared before the Oireachtas describing her coronavirus experience as a patient and the after effects she is sufferiing months later

    If that percentage can be managed, so what?


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  • #6432
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    Eod100 wrote: »
    It's all speculation tbf so I'm more thinking out loud. Many on here didn't think there would be any new measures on Monday and saw how quickly things changed since. With this year you can't really rule anything out definitively. I wouldn't think it would be at scale of previous lockdown as in back to stage 1 but there may be last resort plans to have some nationwide measures as a way of suppressing virus if it came to it[/QUOTE]

    Horse bolted.


  • #6433
    CalamariFritti
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,321 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Another nice strawman. Going into people's home without a warrant is unconstitutional as anyone would know.

    But I digress. We are talking about evidence that the virus is not "travel related".

    Feel free to answer the questions or bring up a totally unrelated point.
    • How the fvck did it get here?
    • Why did I stay at home for best part of two months
    • Why weren't people arriving checked for the virus after our healthcare system
      struggled to deal with those who already contracted it?

    See you this time next year for the same conversation.

    I actually agree with you on all of that.

    And that my fault I guess. Sorry if I barged into a different conversation and made an unrelated point. So much thread going on sometimes I lose track whats a lone statement and whats a conversation.

    But on travel - didnt they its only 3% of the cases? Doesnt seem that big.


  • #6434
    John O.Groats
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 837 ✭✭✭John O.Groats


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    es... and where is Cillian de Gascun recently?
    Is he on holidays ?
    I think not only are MM and SD out of their depth here , but also Glynn looked like a small boy lost on that podium.

    We are indeed suffering from not only a change in political leadership , but also the authority that NPHET seemed to have under Tony Holohan .

    He quite possiblyi is.


  • #6435
    CalamariFritti
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,321 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    theballz wrote: »
    Where do people think we really went wrong with this?
    Stheno wrote: »
    keeping borders open
    Not protecting nursing homes
    No enforced quarantine

    You can add the meat factories to that.

    Not that anyone would naturally assume meat factories should be a problem. But since it happened elsewhere many weeks ago...


  • #6436
    Akabusi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,136 ✭✭✭Akabusi


    SeaBreezes wrote: »
    No. Average corinavirus immunity for a coronavirus is 9 months. We have no idea if this coronavirus is the same.but if you were to go by other coronaviruses... and we are only reaching the 9 month limit now.

    Anecdotally and scientifically re-infection seems to be possible. And it maybe worse the 2nd time. None of this is scientifically proven and time will tell.

    Hopefully, once you've had it thats it. But no-one knows for sure yet. Give it a year. Will know more in 12 months.
    But in the meantime, better not to be the guinea pig.

    Good point, if the 9 months is relevant to this one, then that might just keep us good until a vaccine hopefully comes along next year.


  • #6437
    Atlantic Dawn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,344 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    GDY151


    Akabusi wrote: »
    Good point, if the 9 months is relevant to this one, then that might just keep us good until a vaccine hopefully comes along next year.

    The budget in October will be fun waiting around for a vaccine with taxes to match.


  • #6438
    CalamariFritti
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,321 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    Arghus wrote: »
    All of this is true, as well as taking the eye off the ball in relation to meat factories and Direct Provision centres, but, also people have to take personal responsibility as well.

    All of the reasons you've outlined are valid, but they're also things that are easy to point to - because they involve failings on the part of the state or other authorities, it absolves "us" - wider society - of any blame - but people have also flaunted regulations and advice so not every piece of blame can be laid at the feet of the authorities. For all their failings, a lot comes down to the actions of individuals too.

    I disagree with you.

    Of course some people have 'flaunted' some of the advice at times. But I cant see that being a big factor. In any case you need to let people have some social outlet.

    If someone told me you could either go along with not going out or anywhere not meeting people concerts and all the rest of it for another couple of years or else you get the virus tomorrow I'd say I might take my chances with the virus.


  • #6439
    iguana
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,917 ✭✭✭✭iguana


    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    OK misunderstood that so

    How could you possibly have misunderstood these new guidelines? They have been laid out so clearly and are sensible and coherent in every way!!!!;)


  • #6440
    Akabusi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,136 ✭✭✭Akabusi


    Atlantic Dawn wrote: »
    The budget in October will be fun waiting around for a vaccine with taxes to match.

    I'm more worried about peoples mental health, this is going to be a dreadful winter. Higher taxes, unemployment, flu, Covid, isolation, homelessness all hitting different parts of our society. Hopefully we get a mild winter and the vaccine/treatments continue to progress.


  • #6441
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Akabusi wrote: »
    The way we are going, you will end up getting it anyhow. BTW I did get it back in March and it was very mild.

    Thanks for divulging. Some were not so lucky. I wish you many happy returns.


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  • #6442
    spookwoman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,059 ✭✭✭✭spookwoman


    CalamariFritti wrote: »
    I disagree with you.

    Of course some people have 'flaunted' some of the advice at times. But I cant see that being a big factor. In any case you need to let people have some social outlet.

    If someone told me you could either go along with not going out or anywhere not meeting people concerts and all the rest of it for another couple of years or else you get the virus tomorrow I'd say I might take my chances with the virus.

    That is your choice but what about the time between you getting infected and finding out, are you 100% positive you will not infect anyone else and if you do what about their choice to not become infected.

    It's not all about what you want.


  • #6443
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Akabusi wrote: »
    I'm more worried about peoples mental health, this is going to be a dreadful winter. Higher taxes, unemployment, flu, Covid, isolation, homelessness all hitting different parts of our society. Hopefully we get a mild winter and the vaccine/treatments continue to progress.

    Given that you got it you presume it confers immunity, hence your position and worry about mental health.
    I worry about physical health just as much as mental health.
    Your health is your wealth as they say.


  • #6444
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,046 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Eod100 wrote: »
    I'm no FF fan (or FG) but if FG are playing politics with this, they're acting the maggot. They're in government together. Do all the politicing in the world in advance of next election but need a stable government with a coherent message.

    Trying to portray FF as the baddies when Cabinet agreed is daft.

    Maybe the cabinet didn't agree though ?
    And FF are the baddies here?
    Why don't they close the meat factories down until they get their house in order?
    Why are weddings going ahead until end of August?Surely it will be just as bad having to cancel then as now?
    I think their priorities are skewed here.


  • #6445
    SeaBreezes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,554 ✭✭✭SeaBreezes


    Akabusi wrote: »
    Good point, if the 9 months is relevant to this one, then that might just keep us good until a vaccine hopefully comes along next year.

    Fingers crossed!


  • #6446
    Charles Babbage
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,479 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Young people and house parties get the blame, meat factories and direct provision let off the hook. There is legislation to control the workplace which was flouted the state is responsible for conditions in direct provision. Yet it was the young and their natural desire to socialise that gets the blame. Fair play to whom ever in government that managed to shift the focus. Excellent job.


    Well they have announced routine testing in meat factories and direct provision, so they may become less important, and the delinquent youth may become more important in transmission.
    Perhaps people with illegal parties will send everyone for testing.


  • #6447
    Beasty
    Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 78,458 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    Akabusi wrote: »
    If a quarter our population got the virus at once say over a weekend, then we as country immediately go into a strict lockdown for 20 days, when we come out of it hey presto we have achieved herd imunity in a controlled manner thus protecting the vulnerable people of our nation.
    Where is your evidence of any immunity (let alone herd immunity)?


  • #6448
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,157 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Beasty wrote: »
    Where is your evidence of any immunity (let alone herd immunity)?

    Haven't been keeping up with the thread? There is strong evidence of T-cell immunity (regardless antibodies)


  • #6449
    Myramar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 49 ✭Myramar


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    190 cases “today”, do they think we’re all thick :D
    Can you explain?

    You seem to be questioning the statistics produced by the Dept of Health and the HSE.
    Do you Think they are lies?.
    These are the statistics from the same sources that you reproduce here on a daily basis and that represent the basis for your "informed opinions".
    Are they solid statistics when you like the numbers but become "Lies" when they disagree with your narrative?


  • #6450
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,046 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Akabusi wrote: »
    The way we are going, you will end up getting it anyhow. BTW I did get it back in March and it was very mild.

    Good.. .you got a mild dose. That doesn't mean that everyone you know will or won't have complications.


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  • #6451
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,046 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    polesheep wrote: »
    If that percentage can be managed, so what?

    What do you mean, managed? Many die from their illness once they end up that ill.


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