Covid 19 Part XXI-27,908 in ROI (1,777 deaths) 6,647 in NI (559 deaths)(22/08)Read OP

Beasty · 18-08-2020 11:20PM

The Unbearables wrote: »

Will you go on out of that with posts that makes sense. This thread is for outrage from amateurish hurlers on the ditch who know better than health professionals.

Threadbanned

fritzelly · 18-08-2020 11:21PM

theballz wrote: »

Time to get Leo and Simon back

Anything would be better than Bungle and Zippy

Eod100 · 18-08-2020 11:25PM

Watching Prime Time back for my sins, Donnelly saying we're doing better than NZ on testing turnaround.. Not sure I'd be making a comparison with them, they're doing much better than us!

Myramar · 18-08-2020 11:26PM

fritzelly wrote: »

Anything would be better than Bungle and Zippy

I would prefer Simon and Simon

18-08-2020 11:27PM

Ohmeha wrote: »

What a difference 3 weeks makes in terms of the 7 days numbers. Clearly panic today in NPHET and the government that we are on course to consistently exceed over 100+ cases per day within the next week that Dr. Cillian De Gascun flagged last month would be the likely figure we would be heading back to Phase 2

Day Month Date Cases 7 Day
Wednesday July 29th 14 18.29
Thursday July 30th 85 29.43
Friday July 31st 38 32.00
Saturday August 1st 45 35.00
Sunday August 2nd 53 40.86
Monday August 3rd 46 45.86
Tuesday August 4th 45 46.57
Wednesday August 5th 50 51.71
Thursday August 6th 69 49.43
Friday August 7th 98 58.00
Saturday August 8th 174 76.43
Sunday August 9th 68 78.57
Monday August 10th 57 80.14
Tuesday August 11th 35 78.71
Wednesday August 12th 40 77.29
Thursday August 13th 92 80.57
Friday August 14th 67 76.14
Saturday August 15th 200 79.86
Sunday August 16th 66 79.57
Monday August 17th 56 79.43
Tuesday August 18th 190 101.57

We are there already. Leo talked about moving up and down phases like it was like hitting a switch. You can't just reimpose restrictions like that on society. Politicians will not like doing it and people won't stand for it. We in all seriousness need another lockdown as our r number is nowhere near 1 and has not been for a long time.

MOR316 · 18-08-2020 11:27PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

That's laughable

NPHET definitely going for hysteria with their recommendations

Well, it's worked. Elderly relative of mine, who think you don't need to wear a mask over your nose, have lost their ****.

"Young people and their house parties started all this"
"Shut down the bars and restaurants"
"We're all going to die"

And then moans that they can't go for a coffee, even though they can & the reality is they just don't want to queue up

Actually feel like throwing myself into a canal after listening to them and that's no exaggeration

MickeyLeari · 18-08-2020 11:37PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Obviously by FG as part of strategy to undermine MM (which isn't exactly hard).
Their absence from the press conference was very telling and damning in my opinion.

You seem to know an awful lot about PR.

What are your thoughts on comparisons between trumps build a wall and Michael O'Leary's build a wall between NI and ROI unless you let me fly strategy.

I personally don't think it'll fly with the people.

There is no way we will be able to have a border shutdown and to have an IE-UK aligned strategy on zero-Covid.

We need a sensible strategy at the airports which includes testing (focused, random and voluntary), advance electronic passenger locator details (airlines to facilitate) and a clear narrative. I would be happy enough to restrict travel from certain high risk non-EU locations but we need to weigh up public health and long term economic considerations (discourage tourists but be open to business people with clean 72 hour test results)

We need a solution which will proactively manage risk and one which is consistent with an overall EU approach. It may not be the Silver bullet solution people want but far better than the current finger wagging peer pressure.

But most of all the known domestic risks need to be managed. Balls were dropped and there was a huge amount of complacency. We reopened elements of the economy and closed down our defences.

Plumbthedepths · 18-08-2020 11:38PM

MOR316 wrote: »

Well, it's worked. Elderly relative of mine, who think you don't need to wear a mask over your nose, have lost their ****.

"Young people and their house parties started all this"
"Shut down the bars and restaurants"
"We're all going to die"

And then moans that they can't go for a coffee, even though they can & the reality is they just doesn't want to queue up

Actually feel like throwing myself into a canal after listening to them and that's no exaggeration

Young people and house parties get the blame, meat factories and direct provision let off the hook. There is legislation to control the workplace which was flouted the state is responsible for conditions in direct provision. Yet it was the young and their natural desire to socialise that gets the blame. Fair play to whom ever in government that managed to shift the focus. Excellent job.

Gael23 · 18-08-2020 11:39PM

Will people take any notice of avoiding public transport?

KrustyUCC · 18-08-2020 11:39PM

MOR316 wrote: »

Well, it's worked. Elderly relative of mine, who think you don't need to wear a mask over your nose, have lost their ****.

"Young people and their house parties started all this"
"Shut down the bars and restaurants"
"We're all going to die"

And then moans that they can't go for a coffee, even though they can & the reality is they just doesn't want to queue up

Actually feel like throwing myself into a canal after listening to them and that's no exaggeration

Awful experience for you

Feels like the doom and gloom just before any bank holidays

Behave yourselves or else

No acknowledgement that the vast vast majority have always behaved themselves

stephenjmcd · 18-08-2020 11:40PM

Gael23 wrote: »

Will people take any notice of avoiding public transport?

Nope, into the office tomorrow morning on it.

The work from home where possible advise was always still current anyway

hmmm · 18-08-2020 11:40PM

Eod100 wrote: »

Letter from CMO to Donnelly here and past ones. Not sure is it a formatting thing but can't seem to search PDF. Or are they making it difficult for journalists..!

https://www.gov.ie/en/collection/ba4aa0-letters-from-the-cmo-to-the-minister-for-health/#august

It's a pity more people don't take the time to read these. Explains the rationale.

I wish they would give more background information behind lines like "more clusters relating to sporting activities". It would help calm the hysteria.

Also - that's not Comic Sans is it?

BringBackMick · 18-08-2020 11:40PM

The government are playing this ultra safe but IMO are being too cautious.

The lack of authority and direction is really damaging morale.

Most other countries in Europe are living normal lives without COVID obsessions

It is only when you step out of the madness in Ireland you realise in other countries life is not driven by this COVID hysteria.

We have a serious problem and need to snap out of it for the good of all our mental health.

It is time for tough decisions not ultra cautious stagnation.

SeaBreezes · 18-08-2020 11:41PM

Arghus wrote: »

I don't think he's scaremongering to be honest. It's entirely possible if shyte continues to go south. It's not a sure thing, but dismissing it as impossible is wishful thinking.

That's the first time I've heard the kite flown of another lockdown, a couple of times too. That's significant.

Ha. Prepping us for a month after schools open when hospitalisation numbers start climbing.

expectationlost · 18-08-2020 11:41PM

it seems we don't just have beef barons but wedding barons

The Government has instead committed to review the situation amid concerns that it would stymie not just weddings but other events which support businesses. One Government source explained, “It’s not just people; it’s money circulating.”

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/new-covid-restrictions-how-do-they-compare-with-nphet-s-advice-1.4333557 who are these wedding barons

Goldengirl · 18-08-2020 11:41PM

Turkish1 wrote: »

So many questions in relation to how this will be implemented it not what are the actual powers of the guards in relation to house parties?

How do these restrictions legally stack up - what 'law' is being broken if someone has a house party? These restrictions come into place immediately but are laws/bills actually being signed into law?

Am I right in saying it is 6 people excluding those living in the house? What if I have 5 kids and 7 living in the house?

What if someone just doesn't open the door, are the going to break the door in for someone having a few people over without evidence of any rules/laws being broken.

Do they just send people on their way or are there on the spot fines?

Just dont think this is really going to work to be honest - fatigue is setting in

I think if you are not having a massive loud party this will not be enforced.
Can't imagine the gardai going to break down your door because you have a few neighbours in your kitchen or back garden

stephenjmcd · 18-08-2020 11:41PM

The throwing of FF under the bus has begun

Tuesday’s Cabinet briefing was unusually fractious. There were complaints from Tánaiste Leo Varadkar, and many Ministers, over how little time people had to reflect on a series of significant changes, and how it would impact on their departments.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/new-covid-restrictions-how-do-they-compare-with-nphet-s-advice-1.4333557?mode=amp

mean gene · 18-08-2020 11:42PM

not being able to go watch a gaa or soccer match with a limit of 80 -ridiculous

drunkmonkey · 18-08-2020 11:42PM

Donnelly this evening, I don't know if someone worked out the true number since the start of lockdown, he said "only" 3 out of 100 visitors into the country have Covid.
Anyone know how many 100's of people have came in??

Eod100 · 18-08-2020 11:45PM

hmmm wrote: »

It's a pity more people don't take the time to read these. Explains the rationale.

I wish they would give more background information behind lines like "more clusters relating to sporting activities". It would help calm the hysteria.

Also - that's not Comic Sans is it?

Yeah I'm not sure about optics of GAA requesting meeting with Glynn to meet them tbh. Fair enough seek further clarity from NPHET but not sure have they strayed into personalising it. Wouldn't envy job of CMO now at all.

Hope not, would be a fairly poor choice!

https://twitter.com/Antcon7062/status/1295850555542306818

Eod100 · 18-08-2020 11:49PM

Thought it was fairly revealing that Donnelly at end of interview on Prime Time said he's trying to prevent a national lockdown in the next few weeks. Wonder in private has NPHET briefed him or Cabinet that choice is between these temporary measures now for 3.5 weeks or national lockdown after that if cases still high.

KrustyUCC · 18-08-2020 11:51PM

Eod100 wrote: »

Yeah I'm not sure about optics of GAA requesting meeting with Glynn to meet them tbh. Fair enough seek further clarity from NPHET but not sure have they strayed into personalising it. Wouldn't envy job of CMO now at all.

Hope not, would be a fairly poor choice!

https://twitter.com/Antcon7062/status/1295850555542306818

Glynn is the face of NPHET

That meeting shouldnt take more than 15 mins if the data that the decision making is based on is accurate

thebronze14 · 18-08-2020 11:51PM

completedit wrote: »

Only problem is they'll always have the cop out that they did what they had to do given the evidence available.

Have house parties been as rampant as they are saying or is it a cushy area to blame. Haven't come across many and no nobody admitting to being at one!

John O.Groats · 18-08-2020 11:51PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

The throwing of FF under the bus has begun

Tuesday’s Cabinet briefing was unusually fractious. There were complaints from Tánaiste Leo Varadkar, and many Ministers, over how little time people had to reflect on a series of significant changes, and how it would impact on their departments.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/new-covid-restrictions-how-do-they-compare-with-nphet-s-advice-1.4333557?mode=amp

Thereby triggering another general election which they would be blamed for causing and in all probability leading to SF gaining power with possibly an overall majority. Sounds like a great plan to me..................not.

18-08-2020 11:54PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Donnelly this evening, I don't know if someone worked out the true number since the start of lockdown, he said "only" 3 out of 100 visitors into the country have Covid.
Anyone know how many 100's of people have came in??

Shocking statement, we are only getting 2 percent positivity of tested people who you would think would be higher risk. At one point our positivity was 0.2 per cent.

Imagine if we had of had all those people in properly secure quarantine and not out in the community infecting other households.

Again makes me believe our open door policy is our biggest weakness in all of this.

fritzelly · 18-08-2020 11:55PM

Eod100 wrote: »

Thought it was fairly revealing that Donnelly at end of interview on Prime Time said he's trying to prevent a national lockdown in the next few weeks. Wonder in private has NPHET briefed him or Cabinet that choice is between these temporary measures now for 3.5 weeks or national lockdown after that if cases still high.

Never gonna happen and I think that's more likely him looking for a media headline

completedit · 18-08-2020 11:56PM

The more I listen to these health professionals, the ones who want to talk up the virus, it's almost as if they have some sort of ulterior motive for the virus to be at the forefront of international discussion

Wolf359f · 18-08-2020 11:57PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Donnelly this evening, I don't know if someone worked out the true number since the start of lockdown, he said "only" 3 out of 100 visitors into the country have Covid.
Anyone know how many 100's of people have came in??

He said (I believe in the past 2 weeks) 3 out of 100 of cases were related to travel, so that included the secondary infections caused by an infected person getting off a plane and infecting others.

Eod100 · 18-08-2020 11:57PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

The throwing of FF under the bus has begun

Tuesday’s Cabinet briefing was unusually fractious. There were complaints from Tánaiste Leo Varadkar, and many Ministers, over how little time people had to reflect on a series of significant changes, and how it would impact on their departments.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/new-covid-restrictions-how-do-they-compare-with-nphet-s-advice-1.4333557?mode=amp

I'm no FF fan (or FG) but if FG are playing politics with this, they're acting the maggot. They're in government together. Do all the politicing in the world in advance of next election but need a stable government with a coherent message.

Trying to portray FF as the baddies when Cabinet agreed is daft.

18-08-2020 11:58PM

Eod100 wrote: »

Thought it was fairly revealing that Donnelly at end of interview on Prime Time said he's trying to prevent a national lockdown in the next few weeks. Wonder in private has NPHET briefed him or Cabinet that choice is between these temporary measures now for 3.5 weeks or national lockdown after that if cases still high.

These measures will not stop a National lockdown.

Cases are too high r rate too high.

How is banning people not attending a gaa match going to reduce r rate from 1.6 to below 1?

Covid 19 Part XXI-27,908 in ROI (1,777 deaths) 6,647 in NI (559 deaths)(22/08)Read OP

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