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Covid 19 Part XXI-27,908 in ROI (1,777 deaths) 6,647 in NI (559 deaths)(22/08)Read OP

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  • #6332
    maebee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,760 ✭✭✭maebee


    ChikiChiki wrote: »
    I'd take a month lockdown as well to be honest. We absolutely butchered this recovery.

    Yes, I'm sure the "house parties" spiked us but the meat factories literally butchered us.


  • #6333
    completedit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,639 ✭✭✭completedit


    boggerman1 wrote: »
    Agree with this.the tribunal of enquiry in a couple of yrs time will be a **** show

    Only problem is they'll always have the cop out that they did what they had to do given the evidence available.


  • #6334
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,450 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    In the middle of this, tonight's HSE Operations report

    20 covid paitents in hospital, up 2 on yesterday.

    7 of the 20 paitents are in ICU, down 1 on yesterday, 4 on ventilators, no change.

    1 covid case registered in hosptials today in South tipp


  • #6335
    growleaves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,016 ✭✭✭growleaves


    Country of a billion people have less cases

    Sure they do.

    This proves the superiority of Xi's Leninist ideology.

    I guess the Western imperialist running dogs have egg on their face. Who's laughing now?

    Don't forget China's allies Vietnam and North Korea have also eliminated covid.


  • #6336
    BorneTobyWilde
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,783 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    UK is clearly hiding the reality, and we are highlighting every single case possible. It's why we look bad, but come on, UK have pretty much ignored social distancing , packed out the beaches, huge protests so on, with no effect/ /? Bull


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  • #6337
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    The lack of action on travel is genuinely shocking considering how much they go on about numbers. There’s just as much a possibility of community transmission from people returning from abroad as there is from people who stayed here.

    It's like we are trying to be good little Europeans to our European overlords. Is it they don't want to upset European bureaucrats or is it they are afraid lending institutions wouldn't lend to us as willingly if we took a stronger stance on border control.

    It makes no sense to me, its like the barn door is lying wide open.


  • #6338
    John O.Groats
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 837 ✭✭✭John O.Groats


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    I’m a GAA member and also a massive soccer supporter, thank **** someone is sticking it up to them.
    Michael Duignane, chairman of Offaly GAA was on the 6.01 earlier. Not a single case in lockdown-Offaly has been linked to GAA activities.

    Are you implying that the GAA will refuse to follow the new Government rules? From first hand experience I can guarantee you they won`t. As a GAA member you should be well aware of that too.


  • #6339
    The Unbearables
    Closed Accounts Posts: 359 ✭✭The Unbearables


    hmmm wrote: »
    We don't know what the death toll will be if we let it run, and if the hospitals become overwhelmed (which would happen very quickly). We can lower the mortality rate now with top-class ICU care and drugs. Covid sends a large number of people to hospital - most of them we can treat easily with the right equipment if we have it. We also don't know what the long-term impacts are on people from infection.

    I'm not an expert on this, but there is a clear consensus from those who are that this is a dangerous virus, and cannot be allowed spread unchecked.

    Will you go on out of that with posts that makes sense. This thread is for outrage from amateurish hurlers on the ditch who know better than health professionals.


  • #6340
    Ohmeha
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,185 ✭✭✭Ohmeha


    Stheno wrote: »
    keeping borders open
    Not protecting nursing homes
    No enforced quarantine
    Posters/leaflets stating to the Irish public the softly softly gentle kind words approach of:

    "Please wear a face covering/mask"
    "It is recommended you should wear a face covering/mask"

    Mandatory/Criminal Offence/Prosecution/Fines/Jail Sentence should have been the only language displayed and communicated to the public and enacted in enforceable law


  • #6341
    Myramar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 49 ✭Myramar


    Leaving Cert


    Just wait for this to turn into a cluster **k just like the UK.


    Minister for health on RTE News at Nine:


    Minister:

    The system we have here is very different than in the UK.

    Interviewer:

    In What way ?

    Minister:
    Our system is subltly different.


    Why can't we learn from everyone else's mistakes?


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  • #6342
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The Unbearables wrote: »
    Will you go on out of that with posts that makes sense. This thread is for outrage from amateurish hurlers on the ditch who know better than health professionals.

    Nope that's the relaxation of restrictions thread your looking for.


  • #6343
    completedit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,639 ✭✭✭completedit


    The Unbearables wrote: »
    Will you go on out of that with posts that makes sense. This thread is for outrage from amateurish hurlers on the ditch who know better than health professionals.

    Clear consensus from health professionals when asked what would be the best course of action in a health emergency. That's their discipline. None of us are claiming to be immunologists. We, I believe, are people who accept risk. We believe that the measures taken far exceed the actual threat of this virus considering the available evidence. We believe that the longer these measures continue, the greater the economy will suffer which will lead to many negative outcomes.


  • #6344
    landofthetree
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,464 ✭✭✭landofthetree


    Myramar wrote: »
    Leaving Cert


    Just wait for this to turn into a cluster **k just like the Uk.


    Minister for health on RTE News at Nine:


    Minister:

    The system we have here is very different than in the UK.

    Interviewer:

    In What way ?

    Minister:
    Our system is subltly different.


    Why can't we learn from everyone else's mistakes?

    I hope this ends all the moaning around the LC every year about exam pressure.

    The LC isnt perfect but its better than the alternatives.


  • #6345
    LuasSimon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,208 ✭✭✭LuasSimon


    Why are meat factories , mushroom plants and other slave operations allowed remain open ?


  • #6346
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,223 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    DubInMeath wrote: »
    Nope that's the relaxation of restrictions thread your looking for.

    There's a bit of overlap, but that thread is approximately ten times as demented.


  • #6347
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,197 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    Not sure if this was posted before but looks like NPHET wanted 6 at weddings too. So inconsistencies seem to be Cabinet not accepting all measures.

    Guess 6 would probably be legal minimum to have couple, celebrant/register and witnesses

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/new-guidance-on-wedding-guest-numbers-to-be-reviewed-1.4333531


  • #6348
    Ohmeha
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,185 ✭✭✭Ohmeha


    What a difference 3 weeks makes in terms of the 7 days numbers. Clearly panic today in NPHET and the government that we are on course to consistently exceed over 100+ cases per day within the next week that Dr. Cillian De Gascun flagged last month would be the likely figure we would be heading back to Phase 2

    Day Month Date Cases 7 Day
    Wednesday July 29th 14 18.29
    Thursday July 30th 85 29.43
    Friday July 31st 38 32.00
    Saturday August 1st 45 35.00
    Sunday August 2nd 53 40.86
    Monday August 3rd 46 45.86
    Tuesday August 4th 45 46.57
    Wednesday August 5th 50 51.71
    Thursday August 6th 69 49.43
    Friday August 7th 98 58.00
    Saturday August 8th 174 76.43
    Sunday August 9th 68 78.57
    Monday August 10th 57 80.14
    Tuesday August 11th 35 78.71
    Wednesday August 12th 40 77.29
    Thursday August 13th 92 80.57
    Friday August 14th 67 76.14
    Saturday August 15th 200 79.86
    Sunday August 16th 66 79.57
    Monday August 17th 56 79.43
    Tuesday August 18th 190 101.57


  • #6349
    Charles Babbage
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,480 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    LuasSimon wrote: »
    Why are meat factories , mushroom plants and other slave operations allowed remain open ?


    Because people like steak and mushrooms?


  • #6350
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Arghus wrote: »
    There's a bit of overlap, but that thread is approximately ten times as demented.

    Exactly that why I pointed them to it. A good partial example of why we are where we are.


  • #6351
    CIARAN_BOYLE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,599 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    LuasSimon wrote: »
    Why are meat factories , mushroom plants and other slave operations allowed remain open ?

    I guess food is an essential?


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  • #6352
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,197 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    Letter from CMO to Donnelly here and past ones. Not sure is it a formatting thing but can't seem to search PDF. Or are they making it difficult for journalists..! :p

    https://www.gov.ie/en/collection/ba4aa0-letters-from-the-cmo-to-the-minister-for-health/#august


  • #6353
    ChikiChiki
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,949 ✭✭✭ChikiChiki


    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    UK is clearly hiding the reality, and we are highlighting every single case possible. It's why we look bad, but come on, UK have pretty much ignored social distancing , packed out the beaches, huge protests so on, with no effect/ /? Bull

    I noticed Sky and BBC have stories about our spike and restrictions this evening.


  • #6354
    the incredible pudding
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,369 ✭✭✭the incredible pudding


    growleaves wrote: »

    Don't forget China's allies Vietnam

    You don't know much about Vietnam if you think they consider themselves allies with China.


  • #6355
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    LuasSimon wrote: »
    Why are meat factories , mushroom plants and other slave operations allowed remain open ?

    So farmers don't shoot their animals when they run out of money to feed them


  • #6356
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    MickeyLeari wrote: »
    There were serious strategic and tactical errors with this today. The Cabinet has a gun put to its head (and it was leaked - by whom?). This was panicked and will not deliver the necessary calm. the way things planned out today I would not be surprised if there were Ministers whatsapping journalists from the Cabinet meeting - what is going on?

    They should have had a meeting between the Cabinet sub committee and key NPHET officials who would then be asked to look at specific measures targeted at the real risks and then come back with proper considered and tested proposals with clear reasoning and importantly give the PR people a chance to move on it.

    This was a disaster which suits no one. Heads need to be knocked together to ensure this does not happen again.

    Obviously by FG as part of strategy to undermine MM (which isn't exactly hard).
    Their absence from the press conference was very telling and damning in my opinion.

    You seem to know an awful lot about PR.

    What are your thoughts on comparisons between trumps build a wall and Michael O'Leary's build a wall between NI and ROI unless you let me fly strategy.

    I personally don't think it'll fly with the people.


  • #6357
    MickeyLeari
    Closed Accounts Posts: 917 ✭✭✭MickeyLeari


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    I think you are confusing CAUSE and AFFECT. The cause of the numbers is imported cases and the effect is it will get into all those settings that we are seeing now which we saw back in April and May. The nursing homes, the meat plants, the offices, homes etc. You cannot keep it out of those places when it is in the community. Imported cases were 20 per cent of our total cases at one point.

    Internal risks will sort themselves out when cases are low.
    Why is there similar outbreaks in the North? Meat plants North and South didnt suddenly get slack in August. The cases in the countries increased. This virus here did originally come from another country.

    Politicians North/South wil have to agree this policy when we are back in lockdown next month. Plenty of time then for them to come to joint zero covid agreement. We will have to suffer two lockdowns though because of our politicians and political difficulties north/south.

    I think what you are referring to is “Cause and Effect”. After that it is theoretical and completely naive.


  • #6358
    theballz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,272 ✭✭✭theballz


    Time to get Leo and Simon back


  • #6359
    LuasSimon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,208 ✭✭✭LuasSimon


    CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »
    I guess food is an essential?

    Or Larry Goodman can do what he wants ?


  • #6360
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Ohmeha wrote: »
    What a difference 3 weeks makes in terms of the 7 days numbers. Clearly panic today in NPHET and the government that we are on course to consistently exceed over 100+ cases per day within the next week that Dr. Cillian De Gascun flagged last month would be the likely figure we would be heading back to Phase 2

    Day Month Date Cases 7 Day
    Wednesday July 29th 14 18.29
    Thursday July 30th 85 29.43
    Friday July 31st 38 32.00
    Saturday August 1st 45 35.00
    Sunday August 2nd 53 40.86
    Monday August 3rd 46 45.86
    Tuesday August 4th 45 46.57
    Wednesday August 5th 50 51.71
    Thursday August 6th 69 49.43
    Friday August 7th 98 58.00
    Saturday August 8th 174 76.43
    Sunday August 9th 68 78.57
    Monday August 10th 57 80.14
    Tuesday August 11th 35 78.71
    Wednesday August 12th 40 77.29
    Thursday August 13th 92 80.57
    Friday August 14th 67 76.14
    Saturday August 15th 200 79.86
    Sunday August 16th 66 79.57
    Monday August 17th 56 79.43
    Tuesday August 18th 160 97.29

    Seriously what is the explanation for 57,35,92,67,200,66,56,160.
    They definitely held results back for some PR reason.

    It would save a lot of people a lot of time tying
    • "fantastic numbers"
    • "we clearly have this under control"

    And frustration when it's announced.
    • "190! your granny is now under house arrest"


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  • #6361
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,077 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    Eod100 wrote: »
    Not sure if this was posted before but looks like NPHET wanted 6 at weddings too. So inconsistencies see to be Cabinet accepting all measures.

    Guess 6 would probably be legal minimum to have couple, celebrant/register and witnesses

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/new-guidance-on-wedding-guest-numbers-to-be-reviewed-1.4333531

    That's laughable

    NPHET definitely going for hysteria with their recommendations


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