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Storm Ellen - 19th/20th August 2020

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  • #52
    Meteorite58
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 12,217 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    https://twitter.com/RyanMaue/status/1295787105118048263?s=20

    https://twitter.com/metoffice/status/1295811147107631112?s=20


  • #53
    Itssoeasy
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    pad199207 wrote: »
    ‪Earlier on today aparantly a woman rang the bbc and said she heard a hurricane was on the way...‬

    Hope michael fish didn't answer.


  • #54
    whisky_galore
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,666 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    Oh fk you 2020.
    When is the locust plague due?


  • #55
    Itssoeasy
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    leahyl wrote: »
    Seems pretty quiet on here despite this apparent huge windstorm coming our way!

    Well 2020 itself has been a bit of ****storm anyway and honestly I burnt out whereas normally I'd be all over this.


  • #56
    thecretinhop
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    in a weird way something 2 take our minds of covid.
    pure fkable though putting stuff in sheds again


  • #57
    Itssoeasy
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    Sorry lads so is this a Wednesday evening/Thursday morning job with the storm and from what meteorite58 is saying that unsettled Thursday and Friday on the back end of the big storm. Do I have that generally right ? Btw thanks for the savants in here who make sense of the charts I'm just not great at it.


  • #58
    Meteorite58
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 12,217 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    With rain run off and big seas coastal flooding probably going to be a problem.


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    https://www.tidetimes.org.uk/cork-city-tide-times-20200821


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  • #59
    John mac
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,139 ✭✭✭John mac


    Itssoeasy wrote: »
    Sorry lads so is this a Wednesday evening/Thursday morning job with the storm and from what meteorite58 is saying that unsettled Thursday and Friday on the back end of the big storm. Do I have that generally right ? Btw thanks for the savants in here who make sense of the charts I'm just not great at it.

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=114347872&postcount=40


    https://www.met.ie/warnings


  • #60
    Oneiric 3
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    I'll believe it if I see it. Let us keep in mind that over the course of last winter and spring, the ECM in particular always overegged wind speeds during 'explosive storm' potential and not by an insignificant degree.

    New Moon



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  • #61
    SleetAndSnow
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    Not a hope is there going to be 200km/h gusts. Max I am going to say is 110 at the coasts.


  • #62
    spookwoman
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    Never know until it happens


  • #63
    SleetAndSnow
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    spookwoman wrote: »
    Never know until it happens

    True! But just from previous storms and looking at how they turned out vs the models, and the fact that the ICON and GCM seem to be showing different then I can't see it being that strong. It could be 150 easily though at the same time!

    Regardless, tie everything down!!


  • #64
    spookwoman
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    SleetAndSnow wrote: »
    True! But just from previous storms and looking at how they turned out vs the models, and the fact that the ICON and GCM seem to be showing different then I can't see it being that strong. It could be 150 easily though at the same time!

    Regardless, tie everything down!!

    Agreed some serious off the mark forecasting on previous occasions. I'll be bringing in the gas cooker just in case. Can't do without the coffee


  • #65
    irishrover99
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    JanuarySnowstor wrote: »
    Guys this is unreal and come out of nowhere!!
    The conditions shown by some models warrant a red for sure in the South

    Anytime you see 100km wind or 5cm of snow you say red warning. You must work for joe.ie?


  • #66
    irishrover99
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    pad199207 wrote: »
    ‪Earlier on today aparantly a woman rang the bbc and said she heard a hurricane was on the way...‬

    Probably a boards subscriber


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  • #67
    sdanseo
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    irishrover99 wrote: »
    Anytime you see 100km wind or 5cm of snow you say red warning. You must work for joe.ie?

    He didn't say there would certainly be a red warning, like me he said that there would be IF the conditions shown on the charts verified.

    A literal interpretation of the charts does not a sensationalist make. No different to a single run being on crack doesn't mean there's going to be another Ice Age.

    I caveat any of my more sensational sounding posts for the same reason, though it shouldn't be necessary.


  • #68
    irishrover99
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    sdanseo wrote: »
    He didn't say there would be a red warning, like me he said that there would be IF the conditions shown on the charts verified.
    A literal interpretation of the charts does not a sensationalist make.
    I caveat any of my more sensational sounding posts for the same reason, though it shouldn't be necessary.

    Take a look at his/her comment history on every time the weather gets bad. It always includes a red warning mention. This is also not the first time I have mentioned this.


  • #69
    gally74
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    That was a fair account on rte, could we go to red ... maybe


  • #70
    sdanseo
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    irishrover99 wrote: »
    Take a look at his/her comment history on every time the weather gets bad. It always includes a red warning mention. This is also not the first time I have mentioned this.

    Well aware, but it's generally linked to a chart or a situation that depicts red warning conditions.

    The conversation should be about how the shíte charts never materialise, not how someone consistently interprets them correctly!

    I realise the skill in forecasting is about the combination of matching literal interpretation of charts against probability and historical data. But it's still not incorrect to read a chart that shows 100kt winds and say "oh look, there'll be 100kt winds if that happens".


  • #71
    igCorcaigh
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    It's a weird one alright.

    Is it the ex hurricane that's providing the energy?
    I see stingjet mentioned, reminds me of Darwin.


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  • #72
    KingdomRushed
    Registered Users Posts: 471 ✭✭KingdomRushed


    Had a look through all the models, quite a few scenarios showing. None of the high res models are showing 150 k winds really. The cyclone looks quite defined on some and rather messy on others. Would say that east cork, Waterford would appear to take the hardest winds on balance on the models. Quite fascinating stuff for August. Would be quite the shock to staycation people in caravans and what not if they do not take it seriously


  • #73
    SeaBreezes
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    SleetAndSnow wrote: »
    Not a hope is there going to be 200km/h gusts. Max I am going to say is 110 at the coasts.

    Its 2020. Anything is possible.


  • #74
    Meteorite58
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    ICON still not developing the initial storm like the other models but does go on to get very windy on Thurs


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  • #75
    leahyl
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    Anyone notice that the met warning doesn’t actually mention any wind speeds...it’s just an orange warning...strange


  • #76
    pad199207
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    leahyl wrote: »
    Anyone notice that the met warning doesn’t actually mention any wind speeds...it’s just an orange warning...strange

    Glasnevin being careful, a lot of chopping and changing. I’d say 130kmh+ gusts plus along SW fringes may be achievable


  • #77
    munsterlegend
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    leahyl wrote: »
    Anyone notice that the met warning doesn’t actually mention any wind speeds...it’s just an orange warning...strange

    Still a lot of uncertainty. Not the usual storm path either but it’s 2020 so expect the worst!


  • #78
    Meteorite58
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    leahyl wrote: »
    Anyone notice that the met warning doesn’t actually mention any wind speeds...it’s just an orange warning...strange

    Just too much uncertainty yet I reckon, Siobhan Ryan did mention that it could be high impact, potential there for something out of the ordinary especially it being in the Summer.


  • #79
    taytobreath
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    Will this storm be a flooding event or a wind event?


  • #80
    leahyl
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    taytobreath wrote: »
    Will this storm be a flooding event or a wind event?

    Both I’d say!


  • #81
    Shadylou
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    taytobreath wrote: »
    Will this storm be a flooding event or a wind event?

    I'd imagine non event


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  • #82
    pauldry
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    Ireland has a vaccine.

    Storm Ellen blew the fckon virus to Timbuc Too.


  • #83
    igCorcaigh
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    Thewife wrote: »
    Is she no longer on boards ?? I’ve been thinking about her for months wondering if she is ok with all this covid but can’t seem to find her here to send a message . Does anyone know if she is ok ? Sorry for being off topic

    I am in touch with her.
    She is keeping well.


  • #84
    pauldry
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    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    I am in touch with her.
    She is keeping well.

    Thank God

    Maybe thread should be called Level 2 Storm Ellen with embedded conversation about Grace


  • #85
    Doctors room ghost
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    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    I am in touch with her.
    She is keeping well.




    Tell her we were asking for her and we wish her well.


  • #86
    JanuarySnowstor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,068 ✭✭✭JanuarySnowstor


    The gfs is also saying no so we have 2 models not developing anything.
    Tough one to call but theven gfs is consistently saying no thanks


  • #87
    igCorcaigh
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    Doctors room ghost wrote: »
    Tell her we were asking for her and we wish her well.

    I certainly will do.
    Thanks for your concern.


  • #88
    Jpmarn
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    Storm Ellen is a merging of an Atlantic depression and the remnants of Tropical Storm Kyle. I wouldn’t be too surprised if the warnings are upgraded to status red.


  • #89
    JanuarySnowstor
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    Gfs still interested in giving us something severe in the South but a day later!
    Hard to be confident about anything.
    A forecasters nightmare!
    Saying that stockpiling for a 24hour event doesn't carry much punch these days after the covid story


  • #90
    ninebeanrows
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    ICON and GFS not onboard.

    12z GEM, UKMO, ECMWF, ARPEGE going for something nasty.


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  • #91
    leahyl
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    Sleety_Rain wrote: »
    ICON and GFS not onboard.

    12z GEM, UKMO, ECMWF, ARPEGE going for something nasty.

    Well, surely the majority rules?!


  • #92
    Thelonious Monk
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    it's 19c in Dublin now and no wind at all, very strange. Is this the calm before the storm you hear about?


  • #93
    M.T. Cranium
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    Had a look back and Kyle dissipated early 16th north of Bermuda. The low then showing up on CMC analysis seems to be its remnant low. That is now north of the Azores and was analyzed at 1003 mb at 18z.

    Current satellite imagery:

    https://weather.gc.ca/data/satellite/goes_sigwx_1070_100.jpg

    (note this will update in real time for later readers)

    The proto-Ellen former Kyle feature is the wave northeast of the Azores. Tonight's advancing frontal systems and heavy rain potential is embedded in the cloud masses now closer to Ireland.

    I guess the million euro question is which model solution to follow, the ignore-Ellen and keep developing the primary, or the total transfer of most energy to Ellen that is implied in ECM and some other Euro-models.

    Water temperatures certainly quite toasty in Biscay (21-23 C).

    Would expect 00z model runs to come into much closer agreement. Morning forecasts should be more reliable than anything now available.

    For the record, NHC shows no potential development in the Biscay region although its map for showing that cuts off west of where Ellen might be intensifying anyway. All previous named storms (of the N Atl tropical family, that is) to affect Ireland formed near or west of Azores and NHC ignores "medicanes" so I'm not sure if they would, in theory, track and name anything that formed in Biscay that had tropical or subtropical features. No reason why not, I suppose, we could call this a Bis-cane or perhaps a Celti-cane. (if it happens)


  • #94
    [Deleted User]
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    Thelonious Monk wrote: »
    it's 19c in Dublin now and no wind at all, very strange. Is this the calm before the storm you hear about?

    Very strange that the system is hundreds of miles away and the gusts haven't arrived ahead of schedule.


  • #95
    Thelonious Monk
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Very strange that the system is hundreds of miles away and the gusts haven't arrived ahead of schedule.

    Very strange to me that it's this warm out at this hour with no wind at night. No need for the sarcasm.


  • #96
    igCorcaigh
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    Either way, it's certainly an interesting turn after the many weeks of grey boredom that we had not so long ago.


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  • #97
    mojesius
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    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    Either way, it's certainly an interesting turn after the many weeks of grey boredom that we had not so long ago.

    Maybe it'll blow all the grey ****e away for a few weeks.


  • #98
    M.T. Cranium
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    GFS takes the storm in question much further east into southwest England and only develops it about 30% as intense as some European models. If correct it would have little impact in Ireland and leave the main weather event the deepening wave along the primary front further north (to approach southwest Ireland late Thursday).

    Perhaps a compromise of all guidance would move a moderately intense low into the Irish Sea and bring heavy rains to the southeast. That is about what happened to the storm I recall from August a few years ago.

    I don't have any strong hunches about this. The upper level steering flow is not showing its hand either way, and the current dynamics of "Ellen" (or former Kyle) are modest. Would say high impact event is something like 40-50 per cent possible.


  • #99
    typhoony
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    M.T. Cranium wrote: »
    GFS takes the storm in question much further east into southwest England and only develops it about 30% as intense as some European models. If correct it would have little impact in Ireland and leave the main weather event the deepening wave along the primary front further north (to approach southwest Ireland late Thursday).

    Perhaps a compromise of all guidance would move a moderately intense low into the Irish Sea and bring heavy rains to the southeast. That is about what happened to the storm I recall from August a few years ago.

    I don't have any strong hunches about this. The upper level steering flow is not showing its hand either way, and the current dynamics of "Ellen" (or former Kyle) are modest. Would say high impact event is something like 40-50 per cent possible.

    gfs sticking to it's guns with for the majority a non-event


  • #100
    igCorcaigh
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    This all seems so uncertain.


  • #101
    Dank Janniels
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    Will the hairdressers be open?


    Sorry wrong thread


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