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How will schools be able to go back in September? (Continued)

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  • #2432
    Icyseanfitz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,536 ✭✭✭Icyseanfitz


    Windorah wrote: »
    Firstly speaking as a working parent, primary level need to get back to school. Online learning is not appropriate for primary level and certainly not for children with SEN. Even talk of "blended learning" is futile. Similar to alot of parents I cannot work (and it doesn't pay!) if I have to pay someone else to be at home with them, either doing school work at home with them or dropping and picking them up at various staggered times.

    Now, on the other hand, as a teacher I can completely empathize with teachers who are frustrated and worried about the blatant disregard for public health advice. Like many school buildings, my work place lacks ventilation, space and has inadequate facilities for regular day to day functioning never mind social distancing etc. The department have shut up shop and provided absolutely no guidelines whatsoever. We are due to do a "training course" before school opens next week...except the dept have yet to release any details about said course...Basically I have no faith in the department of education and their response to this pandemic BUT if government guidelines state we are to go back into the classroom I will be there...I can't see any other way out of this except to forge ahead..

    i think we are all in the same mind, we have to plow ahead with it even though we know it will be a disaster.


  • #2433
    brendanwalsh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 988 ✭✭✭brendanwalsh


    Thierry12 wrote: »
    Exactly

    Cop on ffs

    Teachers need to get real now

    PPE up like doctors, nurses, guards, dentists, supermarket workers etc that have been infront of the virus since the beginning

    Get yer face mask, visor, goggles on and face it like we did

    Such a scummy comment.
    It’s not comparable to being a doctor or a nurse who took an oath to give their lives (literally in the case of covid) to help others.

    This isn’t an exam you suck it up and study for.

    This bug is ripping through the country as it is, now the vectors are going to be mass multiplied and seed everywhere.


  • #2434
    Bananaleaf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,923 ✭✭✭Bananaleaf


    Icyseanfitz wrote: »
    just listening to the tv3 conference, when asked about schools opening vs new measures in place today they just couldnt give an answer other than economy, i had to turn it off, the levels of either stupidity or pure pig headidness are enough to make you cry.

    Did they actually admit it was an economic decision?


  • #2435
    Bobtheman
    Site Banned Posts: 2,799 ✭✭✭Bobtheman


    https://waterfordwhispersnews.com/2020/08/18/parents-under-impression-teachers-know-whats-going-on-with-schools/


  • #2436
    brendanwalsh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 988 ✭✭✭brendanwalsh


    Icyseanfitz wrote: »
    just listening to the tv3 conference, when asked about schools opening vs new measures in place today they just couldnt give an answer other than economy, i had to turn it off, the levels of either stupidity or pure pig headidness are enough to make you cry.

    Absolute scum the lot of them


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  • #2437
    Bananaleaf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,923 ✭✭✭Bananaleaf


    brendanwalsh wrote: »
    Such a scummy comment.
    It’s not comparable to being a doctor or a nurse who took an oath to give their lives (literally in the case of covid) to help others.

    This isn’t an exam you suck it up and study for.

    This bug is ripping through the country as it is, now the vectors are going to be mass multiplied and seed everywhere.

    I don't believe that anyone who genuinely works in the health services would make the comment Thierry did. The healthcare professionals of this country are not so bitter that they would happily bring an influx of patients upon themselves once it meant getting teachers back in the classrooms.


  • #2438
    Icyseanfitz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,536 ✭✭✭Icyseanfitz


    Bananaleaf wrote: »
    Did they actually admit it was an economic decision?

    in their usual aroundabout language, mention the kids health and how important a school environment is for that and then slide in a little "and shure the economy as well" at the end


  • #2439
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    I dont get this....max. numbers indoors is 6 yet most school classes have 25+

    surely thats a breach of their own restrictions???

    Would a child/teacher/staff have a case in a court if they became sick with covid?


  • #2440
    Sheepdish1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 621 ✭✭✭Sheepdish1


    alroley wrote: »
    Blended learning or online learning would be appropriate for at least second level.

    This doesn't work for many parents or kids. The lack of routine and the difficulty trying to get some teenagers to do schoolwork at home isn't workable for many households. On top of that many kids are in households which are not stable or a good learning environment. Many kids don't have the equipment to learn from home either.

    There are also many children that need additional help with various aspects of education that makes blended or online learning challenging. I really hope they open up in two weeks time but can't see this happening as it stands


  • #2441
    alroley
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,289 ✭✭✭alroley


    Sheepdish1 wrote: »
    This doesn't work for many parents or kids. The lack of routine and the difficulty trying to get some teenagers to do schoolwork at home isn't workable for many households. On top of that many kids are in households which are not stable or a good learning environment. Many kids don't have the equipment to learn from home either.

    There are also many children that need additional help with various aspects of education that makes blended or online learning challenging. I really hope they open up in two weeks time but can't see this happening as it stands

    With blended learning schools would be open everyday. There could be a system where anyone who really needs to be in can be in every or most days.

    There are plenty of teenagers that thrived during online learning too.


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  • #2442
    Dognapper
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65 ✭✭Dognapper


    brendanwalsh wrote: »
    Such a scummy comment.
    It’s not comparable to being a doctor or a nurse who took an oath to give their lives (literally in the case of covid) to help others.

    This isn’t an exam you suck it up and study for.

    This bug is ripping through the country as it is, now the vectors are going to be mass multiplied and seed everywhere.

    Except the lad that goes to work in Tesco doesn’t do half as much moaning as a teacher , dead right out on ppe and go to work or get into the dole que


  • #2443
    Windorah
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 210 ✭✭Windorah


    alroley wrote: »
    With blended learning schools would be open everyday. There could be a system where anyone who really needs to be in can be in every or most days.

    There are plenty of teenagers that thrived during online learning too.

    Had the department actually sought teacher input or even made any effort to put forward some guidelines or suggestions I think this could have worked at second level at least. The schools could have formalised methods and standardised streaming for lessons while also ensuring staff and pupils are up to date with the technology. Alternative plans (such as going into the school) for students without access to tech and students with additional needs.

    Unfortunately absolutely sweet F* all has been done by the department!! Teachers and management will be left to pull together some kind of plan for what will inevitably be, "blended learning" and suffer the ire of the general public. We thought the teacher bashing was bad during wave 1.... I can only imagine what will be written and said about teachers during wave 2!!!!


  • #2444
    Queried
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 241 ✭✭Queried


    Dognapper wrote: »
    Except the lad that goes to work in Tesco doesn’t do half as much moaning as a teacher , dead right out on ppe and go to work or get into the dole que

    Hi Dognapper,

    The issue for me as a teacher is that we are, from my understanding, discouraged from wearing PPE as are the children (primary level). I teach 6th class, which are in the over 10 age group who allegedly spread the virus "at least as well as adults do", according to a large study from South Korea. Secondary pupils who also fall into this age group will be wearing masks. My class won't and there is no possibility for any sort of distancing in my classroom despite this being the recommendation for 3rd to 6th classes. I am happy to return to school once the precautions that are scientifically recommended are followed. However, from what I can see, at the moment we are just going back into the same classrooms that we left in March. I think this warrants a level of frustration from teachers. Give me PPE and some level of distancing and I wouldn't be complaining one bit.


  • #2445
    Sunday Sunday
    Closed Accounts Posts: 187 ✭✭Sunday Sunday


    i_surge wrote: »
    Symptoms equals get out of the classroom. It has to be that way.

    Anything else is selfish, seeking special treatment and a contrived twisting of things.

    Yes the gp will state your child has asthma, your excuse is still illogical.

    My letter says child has asthma and finds it difficult to wear a mask for prolonged periods and that visor is more appropriate.

    Nothing more than facts.


  • #2446
    Grandeeod
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,318 ✭✭✭✭Grandeeod


    After watching the press conference, it's official. Restrict as much of society as possible. Do not answer difficult questions that directly compare new restrictions with the school reopening plan. Our kids are the new experiment.


  • #2447
    Sunday Sunday
    Closed Accounts Posts: 187 ✭✭Sunday Sunday


    Grandeeod wrote: »
    After watching the press conference, it's official. Restrict as much of society as possible. Do not answer difficult questions that directly compare new restrictions with the school reopening plan. Our kids are the new experiment.

    Given that we've tested nearly 5,000 people in last 24 hours I wouldn't panic too much. The 4% positive rate still holds, the more test we do the more cases we uncover.

    Expect to see double todays figures by the end of the week, it seems testing has finally caught up.

    New restrictions are minimal and won't be paid much attention to given that the nation is fatigued at the prospect. Even high risk groups have had enough now.

    Schools are an exception and priority, it's not too difficult to understand. You do realise some countries never closed their schools at all?


  • #2448
    gabeeg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,591 ✭✭✭gabeeg


    Sunday Sunday wrote: »
    Given that we've tested nearly 5,000 people in last 24 hours I wouldn't panic too much. The 4% positive rate still holds, the more test we do the more cases we uncover.

    Expect to see double todays figures by the end of the week, it seems testing has finally caught up.

    New restrictions are minimal and won't be paid much attention to given that the nation is fatigued at the prospect.

    Schools are an exception and priority, it's not too difficult to understand. You do realise some countries never closed their schools at all?

    Name some countries


  • #2449
    PowerToWait
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,789 ✭✭✭PowerToWait


    Sunday Sunday wrote: »
    My letter says child has asthma and finds it difficult to wear a mask for prolonged periods and that visor is more appropriate.

    Nothing more than facts.

    How about the fact that the visor provides no protection for either the child or close contacts?

    Given the tone and absolute sheer volume of your posts over the entire summer and before, some people might say you're being awkward for the sake of it.


  • #2450
    xhomelezz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,127 ✭✭✭xhomelezz


    Sunday Sunday wrote: »
    Given that we've tested nearly 5,000 people in last 24 hours I wouldn't panic too much. The 4% positive rate still holds, the more test we do the more cases we uncover.

    Expect to see double todays figures by the end of the week, it seems testing has finally caught up.

    New restrictions are minimal and won't be paid much attention too given that the nation is fatigued at the prospect.

    Schools are an exception and priority, it's not too difficult to understand. You do realise some countries never closed their schools at all?

    Testing finally caught up?? Ha, not even close to it.
    Schools needs to open, but not a hope in hell to open them the way they want.


  • #2451
    Sunday Sunday
    Closed Accounts Posts: 187 ✭✭Sunday Sunday


    PowerToWait wrote: »
    How about the fact that the visor provides no protection for either the child or close contacts?

    Given the tone and absolute sheer volume of your posts over the entire summer and before, some people might say you're being awkward for the sake of it.

    It ticks the face covering box from the schools perspective so they're happy to oblige.

    :confused:


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  • #2452
    Mrsmum
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,860 ✭✭✭Mrsmum


    I'm just wondering how much authority schools have, if any, to do their own thing. For instance could a school eg a secondary one just decide to bring half the class in one week and half the next. Every lesson up on Power point presentation so those at home learn that way one week and live lesson the next week but at home or at school they are all getting the exact same lesson from the presentations pre prepared by the teacher. I say Power point only because I saw some great presentations on it before the holidays for History, Georg, Business Studies. Or are schools obliged to go all back full time ?


  • #2453
    smellyoldboot
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,075 ✭✭✭smellyoldboot


    Just seen my child's schools "plan" . It basically amounted to: Don't block up the front gate with cars, drop your kids at the front gate and go away. You've no business knowing what goes on behind these doors type of thing.

    The can fuq right off tbh


  • #2454
    Bobtheman
    Site Banned Posts: 2,799 ✭✭✭Bobtheman


    Sunday Sunday wrote: »
    Given that we've tested nearly 5,000 people in last 24 hours I wouldn't panic too much. The 4% positive rate still holds, the more test we do the more cases we uncover.

    Expect to see double todays figures by the end of the week, it seems testing has finally caught up.

    New restrictions are minimal and won't be paid much attention to given that the nation is fatigued at the prospect. Even high risk groups have had enough now.

    Schools are an exception and priority, it's not too difficult to understand. You do realise some countries never closed their schools at all?

    How are they doing??


  • #2455
    Bobtheman
    Site Banned Posts: 2,799 ✭✭✭Bobtheman


    Looks like I picked the wrong week to give up booze and heroin


  • #2456
    Smacruairi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,481 ✭✭✭Smacruairi


    Bobtheman wrote: »
    How are they doing??

    I'm sure their marquees are doing a great job, particularly in yesterday's weather.


  • #2457
    Fergal29
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4 ✭Fergal29


    Has anyone received updates regarding after school care? Our son was collected and driven to an after school facility run in a creche. Will this continue to be an option as the after school facility catered for children from different schools and classes.


  • #2458
    i_surge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭i_surge


    Queried wrote: »
    No more than 6 indoors but a class of 30 in school. There's not room for half a metre distancing between children in my class, as far as I can see masks are discouraged in primary schools (I have 6th class, which fit into the age bracket where they can spread the virus "at least as well as adults do"), I technically can't see my family all at the same time as there are 7 of us, but next week I am expected to go back to work pretty much unprotected? I have been very optimistic about going back to work but the lack of answers from the government and absolutely no word from my school about the measures that are being put in place, I can't help but feel frustrated! Unless only half my class are allowed into the room at a time there is no possibility of social distancing. This is not an option because there is nowhere for the other half of the class to go. Sorry about the rambling; I am just getting frustrated now. I want to go back to work, but safely. It seems like the government are happy to send us back regardless of whether its safe or not. I dunno, feeling disheartened.


    Don't accept it, strike and force them to up their game.


  • #2459
    i_surge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭i_surge


    Sunday Sunday wrote: »
    It ticks the face covering box from the schools perspective so they're happy to oblige.

    :confused:

    Nothing worse than someone stubborn with a box ticking mentality.

    "Why take the time to do things right when we can **** it up right now" is the best summary of that attitude


  • #2460
    xhomelezz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,127 ✭✭✭xhomelezz


    smellyoldboot wrote: »
    Just seen my child's schools "plan" . It basically amounted to: Don't block up the front gate with cars, drop your kids at the front gate and go away. You've no business knowing what goes on behind these doors type of thing.

    The can fuq right off tbh

    Same for me. We can't even use school car park :D Same size classes, no problem, and they'll get free bottle of hand sanitizer. Job done


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  • #2461
    the corpo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,813 ✭✭✭the corpo


    Fergal29 wrote: »
    Has anyone received updates regarding after school care? Our son was collected and driven to an after school facility run in a creche. Will this continue to be an option as the after school facility catered for children from different schools and classes.

    At least two afterschools that collected from our school have already withdrawn the service, impossible to have pods from different schools etc.

    This week our school let us know our staggered opening times, and I don't think many of the other afterschool companies will be able to make it work, especially as other local schools will have their own staggered openings. I imagine this scenario will be replicated throughout the country


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