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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

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  • #1712
    The Unbearables
    Closed Accounts Posts: 359 ✭✭The Unbearables


    bush wrote: »
    Any different to here?

    More tin foilers here.


  • #1713
    Loafing Oaf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,818 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Lundstram wrote: »
    No deaths yet again.

    Why are we continuing to destroy our economy?

    Keeping 'wet pubs' & nightclubs shut ≠ 'destroying our economy'. Might even be beneficial in the long run in terms of productivity, less absenteeism etc.


  • #1714
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,858 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    PTH2009 wrote: »
    think we will see food pubs close til the schools go back and we will also get more restrictions on crowds shopping etc

    Announcement coming Thursday i've heard

    All those clusters in gastro pubs and Penney’s...let’s restrict those even further to concentrate the crowds elsewhere


  • #1715
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,155 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Back in June, there was data posted that showed over 1000 cases in meat factories. Only 7 were hospitalised and 0 died.

    The illness only does real damage in nursing homes and to the severely unhealthy.

    Hospital numbers were at 6 recently. I don’t think it could get lower unless we aimed for zero Covid.

    I doubt we’ll see any significant volume in deaths if the nursing homes are safe.

    Hospital numbers were at twenty today. It's slowly ticking upwards again. These numbers will increase.

    It does real damage to the frail and the unhealthy. Right now it's beginning to spread again amongst the fit and the young, but if it's allowed to spread unchecked it will eventually start to spread amongst other groups too. It's inevitable. If you have the virus circulating it will eventually find people that it can make extremely ill.


  • #1716
    John O.Groats
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 837 ✭✭✭John O.Groats


    Arghus wrote: »
    Hospital numbers were at twenty today. It's slowly ticking upwards again. These numbers will increase.

    It does real damage to the frail and the unhealthy. Right now it's beginning to spread again amongst the fit and the young, but if it's allowed to spread unchecked it will eventually start to spread amongst other groups too. It's inevitable. If you have the virus circulating it will eventually find people that it can make extremely ill.

    Absolutely correct Arghus. Unfortunately it would seem that some on this forum would rather bury their heads in the sand in denial about this.


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  • #1717
    Akabusi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,130 ✭✭✭Akabusi


    Yeah hospital numbers will tick up but hopefully nowhere near the April figures. My worry is the schools, alot of parents rely on grandparents to bring kids to school or for an hour or two after school. How they cope without this help when they are working themselves is anyones guess.


  • #1718
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,137 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    John O.Groats wrote: »
    Absolutely correct Arghus. Unfortunately it would seem that some on this forum would rather bury their heads in the sand in denial about this.

    Nobody in denial but we are in the middle of a pandemic, do you expect people not to die. Its **** but we need to face facts that people will die.


  • #1719
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,858 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Arghus wrote: »
    Hospital numbers were at twenty today. It's slowly ticking upwards again. These numbers will increase.

    It does real damage to the frail and the unhealthy. Right now it's beginning to spread again amongst the fit and the young, but if it's allowed to spread unchecked it will eventually start to spread amongst other groups too. It's inevitable. If you have the virus circulating it will eventually find people that it can make extremely ill.

    #stayhome = sorted


  • #1720
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,155 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    niallo27 wrote: »
    Nobody in denial but we are in the middle of a pandemic, do you expect people not to die. Its **** but we need to face facts that people will die.

    Yes, people will die but the idea is trying to prevent as much death as you possibly can.


  • #1721
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,137 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    Arghus wrote: »
    Yes, people will die but the idea is trying to prevent as much death as you possibly can.

    At what cost though, has to be a balance. Do we sacrifice our economy to save a few, where do we stop then. Ban alcohol and fast food, jail time for speeding and drink driving.


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  • #1722
    The Belly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 572 ✭✭✭The Belly


    niallo27 wrote: »
    At what cost though, has to be a balance. Do we sacrifice our economy to save a few, where do we stop then. Ban alcohol and fast food, jail time for speeding and drink driving.

    Ban it all and keep collecting taxes until that falls down too and go to ECB and ask for money.


  • #1723
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,155 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    road_high wrote: »
    #stayhome = sorted

    Yeah, you see that sounds very easy in theory but it's actually much more complicated in reality.

    And people have been complaining on here for months over delays in treatments, appointments and screenings. Well I've news for you: if you let the virus circulate freely then all of these things are even further off the table than they already are. Because people who require hospital treatment fall into that very large and varied group that can be marked "vulnerable"


  • #1724
    MEGA BRO WOLF 5000
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,753 ✭✭✭✭MEGA BRO WOLF 5000


    Arghus wrote: »
    Yes, people will die but the idea is trying to prevent as much death as you possibly can.

    At what cost?

    When does it end?

    At what point will lockdowns have an irreversible effect on the country?

    The Irish approach seems to be burning down the barn to kill the spider.


  • #1725
    Tenzor07
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,333 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    When you're all hiding under your beds praying for another Lockdown and denouncing anyone who dares to act normal as the cause of many deaths...

    Have a look at Wuhan, the former epicentre for Covid...



    https://twitter.com/Julielvnr_/status/1295342352563867654


  • #1726
    lee_baby_simms
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,495 ✭✭✭lee_baby_simms


    Tenzor07 wrote: »
    When you're all hiding under your beds praying for another Lockdown and denouncing anyone who dares to act normal as the cause of many deaths...

    Have a look at Wuhan, the former epicentre for Covid...



    https://twitter.com/Julielvnr_/status/1295342352563867654

    Finally we know what the second wave looks like.


  • #1727
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,155 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    niallo27 wrote: »
    At what cost though, has to be a balance. Do we sacrifice our economy to save a few, where do we stop then. Ban alcohol and fast food, jail time for speeding and drink driving.

    Where we are now is about as balanced as we're going to get - with maybe a slight loosening or slight tightening of restrictions depending on what the situation is at a given time - until something changes, whether that be better treatment methods, a vaccine or maybe some unforseen Hail Mary breakthrough. Normal life is not coming back anytime soon.


  • #1728
    Tenzor07
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,333 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    lee_baby_simms wrote: »
    Finally we know what the second wave looks like.

    Sure they have a vaccine, what do they care? ;)


  • #1729
    lee_baby_simms
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,495 ✭✭✭lee_baby_simms


    Tenzor07 wrote: »
    Sure they have a vaccine, what do they care? ;)

    They really are a great bunch of lads.


  • #1730
    CruelSummer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,324 ✭✭✭CruelSummer


    So some of these asymptomatic cases we’re hearing of could actually be people who were previously infected and are now immune...
    Why hasn’t there been a blood test developed does anyone know for this virus?

    https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30868-0/fulltext

    “For many viral diseases (SARS-CoV, Middle East respiratory syndrome coronavirus, influenza virus, Ebola virus, and Zika virus) it is well known that viral RNA can be detected long after the disappearance of infectious virus.2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 With measles virus, viral RNA can still be detected 6–8 weeks after the clearance of infectious virus.“

    Why are the media not highlighting the true current picture more instead of leading the news with ‘scared teachers & students’. Are we currently basing our actions on a majority of people with no symptoms? There are serious questions to be answered in relation to this.
    I still think elderly and vulnerable should take protective measures & guidelines to be followed for another few weeks to gain a clearer picture but talk of lockdown again or closing restaurants, etc to just throw more people on the PUP and dole is absolutely outrageous. We do not have enough evidence or data given to prove any further restrictions are necessary.


  • #1731
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,137 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    Arghus wrote: »
    Where we are now is about as balanced as we're going to get - with maybe a slight loosening or slight tightening of restrictions depending on what the situation is at a given time - until something changes, whether that be better treatment methods, a vaccine or maybe some unforseen Hail Mary breakthrough. Normal life is not coming back anytime soon.

    Ya id agree with you, most people can deal with what we have now for another few months, i don't think we can go back to the lock down we had. It would be more detrimental than the virus itself.


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  • #1732
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 4,727 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Arghus wrote: »
    Where we are now is about as balanced as we're going to get - with maybe a slight loosening or slight tightening of restrictions depending on what the situation is at a given time - until something changes, whether that be better treatment methods, a vaccine or maybe some unforseen Hail Mary breakthrough. Normal life is not coming back anytime soon.

    Hope the government can afford to keep all those businesses going or pay the people that will be left unemployed. So much business will be wiped out over the next 6 months.

    Hope the banks can survive people not paying back loans or mortgages.


  • #1733
    The Belly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 572 ✭✭✭The Belly


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Hope the government can afford to keep all those businesses going or pay the people that will be left unemployed. So much business will be wiped out over the next 6 months.

    Hope the banks can survive people not paying back loans or mortgages.

    The gov cant and the Banks will be in trouble. Anger will happen then.


  • #1734
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Tenzor07 wrote: »
    When you're all hiding under your beds praying for another Lockdown and denouncing anyone who dares to act normal as the cause of many deaths...

    Have a look at Wuhan, the former epicentre for Covid...



    https://twitter.com/Julielvnr_/status/1295342352563867654

    Wow, that is quite a sight.... wonder how they did that.
    Turns out it's not exactly like for like!
    We should do what they did so we can open up again.
    Maybe they know something we don't?
    • close the borders (march)
    • ban all foreigners even those with visas and permits
    • 4 months later august 10th allow foreigners who have residency permits to apply for a visa.
    • test at airport for all overseas arrivals.
    • 14 day quarantine even and test negative to continue travels.



    https://www.china-briefing.com/news/chinas-travel-restrictions-due-to-covid-19-an-explainer/
    China: Effective 5 August 2020, South Korea became the first and only country China has lifted entry restriction since refusing entry to non-Chinese citizens since 26 March. Visa applications from South Korean students and workers are currently accepted and South Koreans with a valid residence permit for China are also allowed to apply for re-entry.[141] On 10 August 2020, the Embassy of the People's Republic of China in Denmark announcing that people of 36 European countries, namely Italy, Albania, Ireland, Estonia, Austria, Bulgaria, North Macedonia, Belgium, Iceland, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Poland, Denmark, Germany, France, Finland, Netherlands, Montenegro, Czech Republic, Croatia, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Romania, Malta, Norway, Portugal, Sweden, Switzerland, Serbia, Cyprus, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Greece, Hungary, and the United Kingdom can apply for a Chinese visa free of charge if their Chinese residence permit is still valid [142]. Other Chinese Embassies in European countries have made similar announcements the day after, such as the Embassy of China in Berlin, Paris and Rome.


  • #1735
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,155 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    People blaming lockdowns and restrictions as being the cause of all the trouble fundamentally don't get it. It's like a cancer patient receiving chemo, which makes them feel deathly ill and blaming all their troubles on the treatment instead of the root cause.


  • #1736
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 4,727 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Arghus wrote: »
    People blaming lockdowns and restrictions as being the cause of all the trouble fundamentally don't get it. It's like a cancer patient receiving chemo, which makes them feel deathly ill and blaming all their troubles on the treatment instead of the root cause.

    But The root cause is a mild illness that doesn’t impact the huge majority of the country.

    It’s a huge over reaction. One that will destroy the country.


  • #1737
    The Belly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 572 ✭✭✭The Belly


    Arghus wrote: »
    People blaming lockdowns and restrictions as being the cause of all the trouble fundamentally don't get it. It's like a cancer patient receiving chemo, which makes them feel deathly ill and blaming all their troubles on the treatment instead of the root cause.

    Is that the same cancer patient who is given sugar to have a scan to find where it is? The very thing that causes it they use to find it.


  • #1738
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Arghus wrote: »
    Hospital numbers were at twenty today. It's slowly ticking upwards again. These numbers will increase.

    It does real damage to the frail and the unhealthy. Right now it's beginning to spread again amongst the fit and the young, but if it's allowed to spread unchecked it will eventually start to spread amongst other groups too. It's inevitable. If you have the virus circulating it will eventually find people that it can make extremely ill.

    And back to 18


  • #1739
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,155 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Hope the government can afford to keep all those businesses going or pay the people that will be left unemployed. So much business will be wiped out over the next 6 months.

    Hope the banks can survive people not paying back loans or mortgages.

    Businesses will fail and people will be left jobless. I'm not delusional enough to think there won't be enormous economic, political and probable societal consequences coming out of this.

    But it's even more delusional to think doing nothing and just assuming that things will be grand will work out better. It's nothing but shyte options on either side.


  • #1740
    The Belly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 572 ✭✭✭The Belly


    Arghus wrote: »
    Businesses will fail and people will be left jobless. I'm not delusional enough to think there won't be enormous economic, political and probable societal consequences coming out of this.

    But it's even more delusional to think doing nothing and just assuming that things will be grand will work out better. It's nothing but shyte options on either side.

    Sometimes the cure is worse then the disease.


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  • #1741
    Tenzor07
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,333 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Wow, that is quite a sight.... wonder how they did that.
    Turns out it's not exactly like for like!
    We should do what they did so we can open up again.
    Maybe they know something we don't?
    • close the borders (march)
    • ban all foreigners even those with visas and permits
    • 4 months later august 10th allow foreigners who have residency permits to apply for a visa.
    • test at airport for all overseas arrivals.
    • 14 day quarantine even and test negative to continue travels.

    Well, if you're happy to go live in a place like China and surrender your human rights just to avoid the small chance you may get a virus....go for it..

    What would happen if the
    Police came around and hammered nails into your apartment door to keep you inside.
    If you were spotted outside your home get dragged into the back of a van and be taken off kicking and screaming to a state hospital.
    If and when you did get released then be subject to police surveillance, harassment and persecution.
    Get banned from seeing your family and communicating with them and the outside world if you made any comments criticizing the government.
    Have your family harassed by police also if they try contact you while they held you in 14 day quarantine.


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