Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - Read OP for Mod Warnings

lucernarian · 17-08-2020 02:57PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Yeah the tide is definitely starting to turn alright.

I remember this thread back in May, people thought we were crazy for suggesting that lockdown should end.

Our refusal to move to phase 4 and the decision to lockdown counties again because of some clusters has had very little public support.

The failures in the nursing homes, the meat factories and allowing flights in from the USA has contributed as well. Also the overstating of the deaths is a pretty big issue. This government have failed us big time. That will become even more apparent in the months to come.

Mainly though, I think people are just starting to open their eyes that bit more. We know that there are very few deaths or even hospitalizations over the last 2 or 3 months.

For now, the people are still just about onside. That will continue to change though. I think trouble breaking out is inevitable at some point.

I don't agree with most of that tbh. The excess death rate backs up what's being printed on death certs. Where's all this public outrage over the LOKdown? Sounds fake to me. Even now it's amazing how people can't link what happens in community transmission to death rates 3-4 weeks later. And we need to restore normal healthcare asap lest that become an indirect killer of people. With an IFR of 0.6% to 1.2% depending on how the numbers are calculated, that's still higher than the effect of pausing minor treatments and some kinds of preventative medicine. But as time goes by, the effective IFR will really be larger through more excess deaths from cancer etc.

No one's talking about it now, but I see a covid free island as the only way out of this mess, probably by going for a more severe lockdown again.

Elmer Blooker · 17-08-2020 03:25PM

Assetbacked wrote: »

It's literally a case of pulling them out of their beds and testing them in order to pump up those numbers. Such a farce and a con. Convid19

"I know you feel fine and healthy but you are now a 'case' ok?"

i_surge · 17-08-2020 04:39PM

CruelSummer wrote: »

I’m sick and tired of Dr Gabriel Scally thinking he has a say in what we do here in Ireland&his incessant pursuing of a ‘zero Covid Island’ here. Why is the Independent giving him so much airtime? Where is the balance? Why are the media always pushing on hysteria and negativity regarding this virus. I want the facts - how many are dying & how many are in hospital. How many are only asymptomatic or mild currently...where are the journalists covering this??
I will not accept further restrictions again, with its enormous societal & economic cost, nor will I accept Ireland being plunged into an economic depression and for what...

https://m.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/soaring-virus-infection-rate-may-force-further-restrictions-as-dr-gabriel-scally-calls-for-legislation-to-help-curb-reckless-behaviour-39454620.html

The economic and societal cost to pissing around not doing a zero covid approach are greater. You just don't realise that yet.

Assetbacked · 17-08-2020 04:46PM

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/minister-for-health-warns-more-deaths-likely-to-follow-spike-in-covid-19-cases-1.4331987?mode=amp

More weight to the belief the seriousness of the virus is overstated as that is absolute bollox; "Minister for Health warns more deaths likely to follow spike in Covid-19 cases". Considering the median age of the cases, it is statistically accurate to say that little to no deaths will follow.

Publishing such clearly exaggerated articles means there is an over compensation as the virus petered out far quicker than was expected.

i_surge · 17-08-2020 04:51PM

Assetbacked wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/minister-for-health-warns-more-deaths-likely-to-follow-spike-in-covid-19-cases-1.4331987?mode=amp

More weight to the belief the seriousness of the virus is overstated as that is absolute bollox; "Minister for Health warns more deaths likely to follow spike in Covid-19 cases". Considering the median age of the cases, it is statistically accurate to say that little to no deaths will follow.

Publishing such clearly exaggerated articles means there is an over compensation as the virus petered out far quicker than was expected.

This trolling is getting silly now. More cases, more deaths is a very logical proposition. It does not have a CFR of 0. They even added "likely".

Why it is even a headline is a question though.

Assetbacked · 17-08-2020 05:08PM

i_surge wrote: »

This trolling is getting silly now. More cases, more deaths is a very logical proposition. It does not have a CFR of 0. They even added "likely".

Why it is even a headline is a question though.

“If you look at the daily number of cases, it is going up,” Mr Donnelly told RTÉ radio’s Morning Ireland. “If you look at the sad reality, there can be a time lag between cases and hospitalisations... it stands to reason that there will be a fatality rate following that.”

No it does not stand to reason if the cases are of a certain age Stephen.

lucernarian · 17-08-2020 05:10PM

Assetbacked wrote: »

No it does not stand to reason if the cases are of a certain age Stephen.

True, it's not necessarily likely, and the clusters around food processing confounds things further, but it seems to be still a matter of time before older people are going to be exposed via relatives etc.

i_surge · 17-08-2020 05:14PM

Assetbacked wrote: »

No it does not stand to reason if the cases are of a certain age Stephen.

Shall we organise a bet?

beggars_bush · 17-08-2020 05:56PM

Idbatterim wrote: »

Brilliant post! Those coward rats, have further fcuked over the young and youngish... already paying back one bust for their lifetime. Now another. Rip off property prices to send up to chain, that benefits the rich and the older generations. Fcuking disgrace! Roll on the backlash to all this!

# OLDLIVESMATTER #YOUNGLIVESDONT

#OLDLIVESVOTE #YOUNGPEOPLECOULDNTBEARSED

Concretejungle · 17-08-2020 06:09PM

Can anyone make sense of this. There were 139 suspected cases of the CV last week in hospitals and this week there are 136. Does this mean that the 139 cases last week are now out of hospital and another 136 have been admitted. It only takes 2 days max to get a result so how can there be so many suspected cases still in hospital.

Assetbacked · 17-08-2020 06:55PM

i_surge wrote: »

Shall we organise a bet?

Classy.

The Belly · 17-08-2020 07:01PM

i_surge wrote: »

Shall we organise a bet?

i will take one if you like

bush · 17-08-2020 07:23PM

lucernarian wrote: »

I don't agree with most of that tbh. The excess death rate backs up what's being printed on death certs. Where's all this public outrage over the LOKdown? Sounds fake to me. Even now it's amazing how people can't link what happens in community transmission to death rates 3-4 weeks later. And we need to restore normal healthcare asap lest that become an indirect killer of people. With an IFR of 0.6% to 1.2% depending on how the numbers are calculated, that's still higher than the effect of pausing minor treatments and some kinds of preventative medicine. But as time goes by, the effective IFR will really be larger through more excess deaths from cancer etc.

No one's talking about it now, but I see a covid free island as the only way out of this mess, probably by going for a more severe lockdown again.

Check the top comment

https://jrnl.ie/5177825

The Belly · 17-08-2020 07:34PM

bush wrote: »

Check the top comment

https://jrnl.ie/5177825

Emperor has no clothes

Lundstram · 17-08-2020 07:37PM

No deaths yet again.

Why are we continuing to destroy our economy?

lucernarian · 17-08-2020 07:39PM

bush wrote: »

Check the top comment

https://jrnl.ie/5177825

Why should I read a journal comment, for like, any reason?

The Belly · 17-08-2020 07:40PM

lucernarian wrote: »

Why should I read a journal comment, for like, any reason?

This is true but at least the badly reported are half right.

bush · 17-08-2020 07:48PM

lucernarian wrote: »

Why should I read a journal comment, for like, any reason?

Because you replied to a post saying you didn't agree that people's opinion on Facebook and the journal were changing

The Unbearables · 17-08-2020 07:49PM

bush wrote: »

Check the top comment

https://jrnl.ie/5177825

Lol the Journal. Full of nutters:pac:

Arghus · 17-08-2020 07:54PM

Lundstram wrote: »

No deaths yet again.

Why are we continuing to destroy our economy?

The way it works is:

Cases rise

Then hospitalisations rise

And then deaths rise.

bush · 17-08-2020 07:56PM

The Unbearables wrote: »

Lol the Journal. Full of nutters:pac:

Any different to here?

17-08-2020 07:58PM

Lundstram wrote: »

No deaths yet again.

Why are we continuing to destroy our economy?

It’s beyond disgraceful!

And to think those f*cking gob****es were in a room today talking about what extra restrictions they can introduce... makes my blood boil.

Sort out the f*cking factories.

17-08-2020 07:58PM

Arghus wrote: »

The way it works is:

Cases rise

Then hospitalisations rise

And then deaths rise.

When there was huge clusters in nursing homes.

PTH2009 · 17-08-2020 08:05PM

think we will see food pubs close til the schools go back and we will also get more restrictions on crowds shopping etc

Announcement coming Thursday i've heard

Arghus · 17-08-2020 08:05PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

When there was huge clusters in nursing homes.

The second part of this process has already begun.

Hospitalisations were declining week on week, then the decline stopped and now they are beginning to tick upwards again after months of going in the other direction. It's slow for now, but I guarantee you they'll be higher again in another fortnight.

The Belly · 17-08-2020 08:10PM

Arghus wrote: »

The second part of this process has already begun.

Hospitalisations were declining week on week, then the decline stopped and now they are beginning to tick upwards again after months of going in the other direction. It's slow for now, but I guarantee you they'll be higher again in another fortnight.

Higher covid or higher regular cases?

stephenjmcd · 17-08-2020 08:13PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

think we will see food pubs close til the schools go back and we will also get more restrictions on crowds shopping etc

Announcement coming Thursday i've heard

Heard from where ?

More rumours of I've heard on WhatsApp & I know someone working in the HSE etc.

Schools go back next week in some places

17-08-2020 08:13PM

Arghus wrote: »

The second part of this process has already begun.

Hospitalisations were declining week on week, then the decline stopped and now they are beginning to tick upwards again after months of going in the other direction. It's slow for now, but I guarantee you they'll be higher again in another fortnight.

Back in June, there was data posted that showed over 1000 cases in meat factories. Only 7 were hospitalised and 0 died.

The illness only does real damage in nursing homes and to the severely unhealthy.

Hospital numbers were at 6 recently. I don’t think it could get lower unless we aimed for zero Covid.

I doubt we’ll see any significant volume in deaths if the nursing homes are safe.

lucernarian · 17-08-2020 08:18PM

bush wrote: »

Because you replied to a post saying you didn't agree that people's opinion on Facebook and the journal were changing

That wasn't my main point at all... I was completely confused what you were talking about, especially with the random Journal link.

The lockdown as it's called is currently gone in everything but name. Of course people would not want that to change. But if cases suddenly and steeply rise again, we'll need to clamp down again.

As for Facebook, looking at the reviews for Berlin D2, you're on another planet if you think this is what people want to happen right now.

Assetbacked · 17-08-2020 08:19PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Back in June, there was data posted that showed over 1000 cases in meat factories. Only 7 were hospitalised and 0 died.

The illness only does real damage in nursing homes and to the severely unhealthy.

Hospital numbers were at 6 recently. I don’t think it could get lower unless we aimed for zero Covid.

I doubt we’ll see any significant volume in deaths if the nursing homes are safe.

Exactly, another poster described it perfectly a few pages back, it's the flu without a vaccine for the vulnerable.

Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - Read OP for Mod Warnings