Covid 19 Part XXI-27,908 in ROI (1,777 deaths) 6,647 in NI (559 deaths)(22/08)Read OP

caveat emptor · 17-08-2020 02:01AM

Micky 32 wrote: »

Nah, i’ll look at my cousin and her husband along with the 10 others i know recovered some months now fully.

You’re a class A misery merchant.

You are an idiot if you disregard science and use 10 people who are probably lying to you as your sample size.

Do you think anyone wants to acknowledge they may have permanent damage to their internal organs let alone share that with someone who goes around calling people misery merchants. You should ask people how they actually are if you care rather than assuming they are grand.

I'd definitely share my bad news with you if I had any. I knew a lad had a broken leg on the pitch and said he was grand. He wasn't.

SeaBreezes · 17-08-2020 02:02AM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

650,000 is only official figure I could find.

What offical figure is that?
650,000 for what time frame?
For where?

fritzelly · 17-08-2020 02:04AM

caveat emptor wrote: »

You are an idiot if you disregard science and use 10 people who are probably lying to you as your sample size.

Do you think anyone wants to acknowledge they may have permanent damage to their internal organs let alone share that with someone who goes around calling people misery merchants. You should ask people how they actually are if you care rather than assuming they are grand.

I'd definitely share my bad news with you if I had any. I knew a lad had a broken leg on the pitch and said he was grand. He wasn't.

Anecdotal is not science but call out another poster

Pot...kettle...black

FintanMcluskey · 17-08-2020 02:07AM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

I only know one person who caught the virus. Mid sixties back to work after two weeks and took the time to praise my son for donating a kidney.

Im like a broken record.

84 out of 87 folk healthy enough to work had 0 symptoms.

They were in complete disbelief at the positive results

17-08-2020 02:10AM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

The nicest description I can describe your reply with is delusion, but if clinging onto such makes you happy I won't point out the flaws.

Some people would have thought getting the anglo irish agreement or good Friday agreement was delusional at certain times. It was worth it though and we all reaped those benefits. This is also worth fighting for. Many scientists are arguing for this. They don't care so much about politics. Scientists are doing their job advising government. Its now politicians/diplomacy to do theirs.

caveat emptor · 17-08-2020 02:11AM

fritzelly wrote: »

Anecdotal is not science but call out another poster

Pot...kettle...black

Here's the peer reviewed study, not anecdotal. MRI, magnetic resonance imagining. Allows you to see inside someone, like really see inside someone.

(not written by someone who works for vintners or can't see a life
without going to a pub that doesn't serve chicken wings)

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamacardiology/fullarticle/2768916

Micky 32 · 17-08-2020 02:16AM

caveat emptor wrote: »

You are an idiot if you disregard science and use 10 people who are probably lying to you as your sample size.

Lol, i don’t really care if you believe me or not to be honest but your reply is definately another sign of a misery merchant. Who said i was disregarding science? I was giving my real life experience. You just don’t want to believe or hear anything positive. But i can tell you now they ALL made a full recovery. One person was 78 and another 85.

I bet if i had told you the opposite had happened those people you wouldn’t have questioned it in the slightest.

Plumbthedepths · 17-08-2020 02:19AM

SeaBreezes wrote: »

What offical figure is that?
650,000 for what time frame?
For where?

I don't know maybe this organisation has some credibility?

https://www.who.int/news-room/detail/14-12-2017-up-to-650-000-people-die-of-respiratory-diseases-linked-to-seasonal-flu-each-year

Plumbthedepths · 17-08-2020 02:20AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Some people would have thought getting the anglo irish agreement or good Friday agreement was delusional at certain times. It was worth it though and we all reaped those benefits. This is also worth fighting for. Many scientists are arguing for this. They don't care so much about politics. Scientists are doing their job advising government. Its now politicians/diplomacy to do theirs.

The comment you replied to still applies to this comment from you.

Plumbthedepths · 17-08-2020 02:22AM

caveat emptor wrote: »

I know a camel who had two wives (one was a cat) and donated a spleen that he didn't need. The horse came over to say "nice virtue signalling, I mean well done"

I have read many of your posts across different threads, they tell me all I need to know about your motives. I won't be engaging

Wolf359f · 17-08-2020 02:23AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

No system is perfect. Our level of disease is currently higher than the UK anyhow. I did say earlier we would have to use diplomacy with regards NI/UK. Possibly a covid free UK/Ireland zone is another alternative. Its not going to be easy. Alternative is alot more grim for next 12/18 months and not sustainable. We still seem to be in emergency/reactionary mode rather than an overall plan.

What's puzzling is the UK had a massive outbreak of 300 cases in a sandwich factory and a few days later their cases increases by as much and then dropped back down. We had a substantial outbreak and our numbers have been all over the place. I know it's a different country, but you can't deny we're quite similar to the UK in day to day activities.

The government here are certainly in a reactionary mode and the lack of leadership/goal is quite telling. Michael Martin needs to get out in front of it and not make decisions after the fact. For people saying FF is the same as FG.... I think with covid or a national emergency, they are very differently.

caveat emptor · 17-08-2020 02:24AM

Micky 32 wrote: »

Lol, i don’t really care if you believe me or not to be honest but your reply is definately another sign of a misery merchant. You just don’t want to believe anything positive. But i can tell you now they ALL made a full recovery. One person was 78 and another 85.

I bet if i had told you the opposite had happened those people you wouldn’t have questioned it in the slightest.

Nah that is great. I'm happy for these people. I know people who are still suffering months later though.

Point is it's not a peer reviewed scientific paper though and it's an anonymous Internet forum where people could have multiple lives depending on the point they are making which they regularly do. If I were lucky enough to own a pub I'd say

"let's get back to normal"
"it's only a flu"
"government over reach"
"liberties and freedoms"
"too much debt"
I know ten people who had it and were fine

What I'm really saying is

"save my pub by ringing my til"

Which is probably a form of cognitive dissonance at this stage.

Why would someone be a "misery merchant" ??

I'm optimistic though. I'm pretty sure this vaccine will work but only if you are nice to china.

https://twitter.com/CGTNOfficial/status/1295158400469196800?s=20

fritzelly · 17-08-2020 02:25AM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Here's the peer reviewed study, not anecdotal. MRI, magnetic resonance imagining. Allows you to see inside someone, like really see inside someone.

(not written by someone who works for vintners or can't see a life
without going to a pub that doesn't serve chicken wings)

Did you even bother to read the report or just pluck the first thing off the internet - I could go into the unreliability of the report but its just not even worth the effort

caveat emptor · 17-08-2020 02:28AM

fritzelly wrote: »

Did you even bother to read the report or just pluck the first thing off the internet - I could go into the unreliability of the report but its just not even worth the effort

I discussed it in depth when it came out a few weeks ago.

Please have a go at disproving a peer reviewed study.

I do find that funny on here.

Sad

Tell me how · 17-08-2020 02:28AM

boggerman1 wrote: »

Stay indoors for the rest of time if you like.some of us have decided to live life come what may

Probably Covid with that attitude.

FintanMcluskey · 17-08-2020 02:34AM

Tell me how wrote: »

Probably Covid with that attitude.

Lets hope they don't have a runny nose like the 3 food production facility worker's that had symptoms out of 87 positive cases

fritzelly · 17-08-2020 02:34AM

caveat emptor wrote: »

I discussed it in depth when it came out a few weeks ago.

Please have a go at disproving a peer reviewed study.

I do find that funny on here.

Sad

Where does it say peer reviewed?
Where does it say this could be the case for everyone that catches it

Our study has limitations

Several patients within our cohort had new or persistent symptoms, thus increasing the likelihood of positive CMR findings

do not represent patients during acute COVID-19 infection or those who are completely asymptomatic with COVID-19

And if I remember correctly 70% of the patients in the study had preexisting conditions

Strumms · 17-08-2020 02:35AM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Actually no, I pointed out how we are not willing to protect people from influenza but we will protect people from Covid under punishment of 6 months in prison yet influenza is a recurring illness.

Influenza doesn’t kill as many people as covid though.

Micky 32 · 17-08-2020 02:35AM

caveat emptor wrote: »

"let's get back to normal"

"it's only a flu"

"government over reach"

"liberties and freedoms"

"too much debt"

I know ten people who had it and were fine

The only one on that list that has any relevance to me or do i care about is the last one.

But it’s actually 12.

caveat emptor · 17-08-2020 02:49AM

Well that's an attempt.
I'm sorry that you can't see if something is peer reviewed or not.
Keep up the science though.
Actually 67% of them didn't even go to hospital with covid.
Top tip, resist the temptation to say preexisting conditions especially if........

A total of 78 patients who recovered from COVID-19 infection (78%) had cardiovascular involvement as detected by standardized CMR, irrespective of preexisting conditions, the severity and overall course of the COVID-19 presentation, the time from the original diagnosis, or the presence of cardiac symp- toms. The most prevalent abnormality was myocardial inflam- mation (defined as abnormal native T1 and T2 measures), detected in 60 patients recently recovered from COVID-19 (60%), followed by regional scar and pericardial enhance- ment. Findings on classic parameters, such as volumes and ejec- tion fractions, were mildly abnormal. Myocardial measures, na- tive T1 measures, and native T2 measures provided the best discriminatory value against healthy controls and risk factor– matched controls for exclusion of any myocardial disease or con- firmation of COVID-19–related involvement, respectively.

Have a read if you don't believe me.
That's the great thing about a scientific paper.
It's verifiable and should be reproducible.
We should do one here to find out.
I know someone who had 12 friends and family.
Sure that's one tenth of this study, a great start.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamacardiology/fullarticle/2768916

fritzelly · 17-08-2020 02:54AM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Well that's an attempt.
I'm sorry that you can't see if something is peer reviewed or not.
Keep up the science though.
Actually 67% of them didn't even go to hospital with covid.
Top tip, resist the temptation to say preexisting conditions especially if........

Myocarditis can be caused by viruses - shocker, hold the presses, coronavirus is screwing us all

Not engaging with you anymore with your twitterati proof of the end of the world - back to ignore

caveat emptor · 17-08-2020 02:59AM

fritzelly wrote: »

Did you even bother to read the report or just pluck the first thing off the internet - I could go into the unreliability of the report but its just not even worth the effort

caveat emptor wrote: »

I discussed it in depth when it came out a few weeks ago.

Please have a go at disproving a peer reviewed study.

I do find that funny on here.

Sad

fritzelly wrote: »

Where does it say peer reviewed?
Where does it say this could be the case for everyone that catches it

And if I remember correctly 70% of the patients in the study had preexisting conditions

caveat emptor wrote: »

Well that's an attempt.
I'm sorry that you can't see if something is peer reviewed or not.
Keep up the science though.
Actually 67% of them didn't even go to hospital with covid.
Top tip, resist the temptation to say preexisting conditions especially if........

Have a read if you don't believe me.
That's the great thing about a scientific paper.
It's verifiable and should be reproducible.
We should do one here to find out.
I know someone who had 12 friends and family.
Sure that's one tenth of this study, a great start.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamacardiology/fullarticle/2768916

fritzelly wrote: »

Myocarditis can be caused by viruses - shocker, hold the presses, coronavirus is screwing us all

Not engaging with you anymore with your twitterati proof of the end of the world - back to ignore

Thought so.......

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s1ippy · 17-08-2020 03:19AM

Lot of non-engagement going on tonight, it's a good sign really because when you're explaining you're losing. So if you're not even explaining...

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

It's not, but it's distrubing that those advocating this position seem to be getting a lot of air time without a countering position being given equal consideration.

So enlighten us with the counter-argument; I assume the opposite of a Zero-Covid Strategy is some sort of "Loads of Covid" approach.

SeaBreezes · 17-08-2020 03:49AM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

I don't know maybe this organisation has some credibility?

https://www.who.int/news-room/detail/14-12-2017-up-to-650-000-people-die-of-respiratory-diseases-linked-to-seasonal-flu-each-year

Thats WORLD WIDE. Per annum.

Covid19 deaths globally have surpassed that already.
And we are not even 6 months in with massive lockdowns and restrictions to limit spread.

Even with dreadful under reporting and not counting excess deaths.
Most heart attacks strokes not tested for covid19 ...

SeaBreezes · 17-08-2020 03:52AM

Micky 32 wrote: »

The only one on that list that has any relevance to me or do i care about is the last one.

But it’s actually 12.

Well mick you've certainly put my mind at rest.

Phew!! For a min there i thought we had a global pandemic.

Sure, it'll be grand!! Mick said so..

SeaBreezes · 17-08-2020 03:55AM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Lets hope they don't have a runny nose like the 3 food production facility worker's that had symptoms out of 87 positive cases

Are.you making this up for a laugh or have you an actual source for this?
Or is it your cousins sisters friend is the source?

spookwoman · 17-08-2020 03:56AM

fritzelly wrote: »

Myocarditis can be caused by viruses - shocker, hold the presses, coronavirus is screwing us all

Not engaging with you anymore with your twitterati proof of the end of the world - back to ignore

You are very good at just shooting anything you don't like down but I have yet to see you post something that says otherwise. You posted the other night saying people don't know immunology can I ask are you a qualified immunologist, Virologist, an infectious disease specialist with proper qualifications?

I suggest before you blah blah blah that another virus does that and nothing to prove it's caused by Covid, post something that is peer reviewed proving you right.

Good night.

JJandthebear · 17-08-2020 04:03AM

SeaBreezes wrote: »

What offical figure is that?
650,000 for what time frame?
For where?

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

I don't know maybe this organisation has some credibility?

Those are estimated figures though and the CDC estimates on flu deaths are very sketchy* and have openly been called into question by the british medical journal in the recent past and many US physicians have requested they change their methodology in coming to these figures. They, for example, bundle pneumonia and flu deaths together, even though the CDC itself stated a fear years back that they had a slim relationship with only 8.5% of pnuemonia and influenze deaths being influenza related.

*the annual flu death estimate for America given by the CDC in the last 6 flu seasons ranged somewhere between 25,000 and 65,000 yet their actual reported flu deaths for that period were between 3,500 and 15,000.

fritzelly · 17-08-2020 04:03AM

spookwoman wrote: »

You are very good at just shooting anything you don't like down but I have yet to see you post something that says otherwise. You posted the other night saying people don't know immunology can I ask are you a qualified immunologist, Virologist, an infectious disease specialist with proper qualifications?

I suggest before you blah blah blah that another virus does that and nothing to prove it's caused by Covid, post something that is peer reviewed proving you right.

Good night.

Call me out on blah blahing another poster posting anything and everything from twitter and random unsubstantiated theories but you want me to post real proof

Here ye go
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/myocarditis/symptoms-causes/syc-20352539

Waiting for you to show me proof now that coronavirus is doing something that no other virus does

smurfjed · 17-08-2020 06:11AM

OscarMIlde wrote: »

There are false negatives all right but not false positives. Not unless the samples are contaminated.

thank you as I dont know how the test works, however we have undergone over 5000 PCR tests as a company, I believe that only 1 person ended up in hospital, but we have had over 30 cases listed as positive resulting in people going into isolation and increased testing.

30 from 5000-ish isnt a great number, but it might show that the whole process has errors as these tests were conducted in different cities and tested by different labs.

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