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Covid 19 Part XXI-27,908 in ROI (1,777 deaths) 6,647 in NI (559 deaths)(22/08)Read OP

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  • #3782
    expectationlost
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,505 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    I don't agree with this. Young people are part of civil society and have responsibilities like the rest of us. A lot of whom take this seriously.

    Think of all the health care workers who fell ill and who may fall ill again this winter. Or Kids who won't be able to attend school safely. Height of selfishness, Saying human nature is a cop out. It's human nature to sh!t, it doesn't mean you are allowed to do it on the street. Fine the sh!t out of them and it'll act as a deterrent.

    https://twitter.com/Eastcorkclinsoc/status/1294724407978610690?s=20
    don't know why these tweets don't include and then I called the cops or other authorities


  • #3783
    expectationlost
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,505 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    How did zero Covid work out for NZ and they have the luxury of a single island government thousands of KMs from their nearest neighbours?
    think its working pretty well for them despite the outbreak


  • #3784
    Deeper Blue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,407 ✭✭✭Deeper Blue


    People still think the zero covid approach is possible? Seriously?


  • #3785
    [Deleted User]
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    Is any government policy throughout the world on covid perfect? - No. If ireland now followed zero covid policy would we have an Auckland/Melbourne type outbreak in the future? - Probably. Is it the best policy for us now economically/healthwise/socially? Yes. We were always going to be hit with a more difficult first wave than New Zealand, due to being in Western Europe etc. Hence our 1744 deaths as apposed to New Zealands 22. That does not mean we cannot follow zero covid policy now. What is the alternative to zero covid policy? Lock and unlock society for 18 months. Demonising certain business sectors/counties/demographics for outbreaks. Non covid patients not getting the care they might have got in health care system that was covid free. Population having to live with significant social restrictions for several years. I think government will introduce this policy. Its a question of when.


  • #3786
    Plumbthedepths
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    El Sueño wrote: »
    People still think the zero covid approach is possible? Seriously?

    It's not, but it's distrubing that those advocating this position seem to be getting a lot of air time without a countering position being given equal consideration.


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  • #3787
    Plumbthedepths
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Is any government policy throughout the world on covid petfect? - No. If ireland now followed zero covid policy would we have an Auckland/Melbourne type outbreak in the future? - Probably. Is it the best policy for us now economically/healthwise/socially? Yes. We were always going to be hit with a more difficult first wave than New Zealand, due to being in Western Europe etc. Hence our 1744 deaths as apposed to New Zealands 22. That does not mean we cannot follow zero covid policy now. What is the alternative to zero covid policy? Lock and unlock society for 18 months. Demonising certain business sectors/counties/demographics for outbreaks. Non covid patients not getting the care they might have got in health care system that was covid free. Population having to live with significant social restrictions for several years. I think government will introduce this policy. Its a question of when.

    Zero Covid policy on an island with two different governments is BS. Btw the nursing home deaths are a consequence of policy. We had advance warning from Italy's experience. Even in March Holohan was telling the nursing homes not to act unilaterally by banning visitors. I have a serious issue when people try to rewrite history.


  • #3788
    MickeyLeari
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    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    It's not, but it's distrubing that those advocating this position seem to be getting a lot of air time without a countering position being given equal consideration.

    It is a distraction.

    Listened to RTÉ today where Michael McNamara was being shouted down despite knowing more than any of the panellists.

    He is right. We have lost our senses.


  • #3789
    redarmy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,858 ✭✭✭redarmy


    Breaking #COVID19 outbreak in #Howth Co,Dublin after wedding.Some guests travelled from the UK for the gathering.Some of the guests are now receiving treatment in Dublin and London hospitals.


  • #3790
    Plumbthedepths
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    MickeyLeari wrote: »

    He is right. We have lost our senses.

    'We' implies everyone, it doesn't it refers only to the most vocal.
    Old expression, the squeaky wheel gets the grease.


  • #3791
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,870 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Really have to wonder how these curtain twitchers functioned in life before the days of government telling them how to live;
    https://twitter.com/joancooke5/status/1295117070259179521?s=21

    Nothing had changed. The recommendations all remain the same. Why on earthy would someone who’s clearly bought into it all 110% need yet another government press conference on top of the dozens they’ve held already? I’d recommend Prozac


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  • #3792
    Wolf359f
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    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Zero Covid policy on an island with two different governments is BS. Btw the nursing home deaths are a consequence of policy. We had advance warning from Italy's experience. Even in March Holohan was telling the nursing homes not to act unilaterally by banning visitors. I have a serious issue when people try to rewrite history.

    Zero covid is just a sound bite to spew. Like houses, healthcare, jobs for everyone. It sounds great, but ask for details and you get some dodgy figures. In the case of zero covid is always comes back to the UK following. So it's not entirely in our hands. That's not to mention forced quarantine of Irish citizens. If it all went ahead and people realise what it entails, there wouldn't be 100% compliance. Zero covid would require 100% compliance, 100% of the time.

    In regard to the nursing homes, it's been shown locking them down weeks earlier would have have zero impact on reducing deaths. The issue wasn't with visitors, it was with lack of care/PPE/education for all staff in nursing homes and the rampant community spread. The community spread rests solely on the community.
    It's nice to point the blame on certain groups, people, government, but we are all in this together.


  • #3793
    Plumbthedepths
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    redarmy wrote: »
    Breaking #COVID19 outbreak in #Howth Co,Dublin after wedding.Some guests travelled from the UK for the gathering.Some of the guests are now receiving treatment in Dublin and London hospitals.
    Any links?


  • #3794
    AlmightyCushion
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    redarmy wrote: »
    Breaking #COVID19 outbreak in #Howth Co,Dublin after wedding.Some guests travelled from the UK for the gathering.Some of the guests are now receiving treatment in Dublin and London hospitals.

    Do you have a source for that?


  • #3795
    road_high
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    MickeyLeari wrote: »
    It is a distraction.

    Listened to RTÉ today where Michael McNamara was being shouted down despite knowing more than any of the panellists.

    He is right. We have lost our senses.


    That the loons shouted him down sort of proves his point. If you’re not consumed by angst and indignation then you’re a granny killer.
    Think he’s a medical doctor by profession.


  • #3796
    political analyst
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    DubInMeath wrote: »
    Reminds me of someone on here saying sure it's only measles.

    The full letter and some stats in it.

    https://www.independent.ie/opinion/letters/children-are-vulnerable-to-covid-19-and-face-coverings-should-be-compulsory-in-all-schools-39451432.html

    There's a world of difference between measles and a virus that is in the same 'family' as the one that causes the common cold - and is less harmful than the virus that broke out in China in 2002!


  • #3797
    political analyst
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Good article in Irish Times this evening re: McConkey and zero covid policy. Government have to change policy in my opinion also. Zero covid policy in Ireland with diplomacy for Northern ireland/UK to follow suit in due course. All this blaming of sections of society when government policy especially in last two months has been incorrect given we are one of the few islands in Europe. We need to exploit our island geography. Northern Ireland has followed our policys up to now. They will follow us again if it is coherent. Our weak link has been loose border controls. We were probably down to a few hundred cases in the country in June, but with new imports each week with no proper quarantine it is inevitable with restrictions relaxed that we are increasing. Zero covid policy means we could fully reopen society and treat exclusively non covid patients for the next 12/18 months. Economically and healthwise most optimum outcome. All countries are waiting for vaccine. This is best solution rather than locking and unlocking society every few months and all the anger, disruption and costs of many lockdowns.

    You must have meant 'Northern Ireland/GB' - given that the UK's full name is 'United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland'!


  • #3798
    SeaBreezes
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    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    It's not, but it's distrubing that those advocating this position seem to be getting a lot of air time without a countering position being given equal consideration.

    The countering position, herd immunity is being showcased for us by US, Brazil and Sweden. So far no gains economically, in fact worse than their neighbours and horrific death counts...

    Whereas NZ has shown it is possible


  • #3799
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,870 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    SeaBreezes wrote: »
    The countering position, herd immunity is being showcased for us by US, Brazil and Sweden. So far no gains economically, in fact worse than their neighbours and horrific death counts...

    Whereas NZ has shown it is possible

    Sweden isn’t a whole lot worse than us from figures I’ve seen at a glance.


  • #3800
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,140 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    redarmy wrote: »
    Breaking #COVID19 outbreak in #Howth Co,Dublin after wedding.Some guests travelled from the UK for the gathering.Some of the guests are now receiving treatment in Dublin and London hospitals.

    Sauce?


  • #3801
    SeaBreezes
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    road_high wrote: »
    Sweden isn’t a whole lot worse than us from figures I’ve seen at a glance.

    Still worse. And crazy high death count in excess deaths..


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  • #3802
    Plumbthedepths
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    SeaBreezes wrote: »
    The countering position, herd immunity is being showcased for us by US, Brazil and Sweden. So far no gains economically, in fact worse than their neighbours and horrific death counts...

    Whereas NZ has shown it is possible
    Argentina has a fairly restrictive lockdown, how does their death rate compare to peer countries.
    Btw you miss the recent lockdown in NZ.


  • #3803
    redarmy
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    fritzelly wrote: »
    Sauce?

    https://twitter.com/padraig_reilly/status/1295135077647683584


  • #3804
    political analyst
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    road_high wrote: »
    That the loons shouted him down sort of proves his point. If you’re not consumed by angst and indignation then you’re a granny killer.
    Think he’s a medical doctor by profession.

    Why would you regard Sinéad O'Carroll, Marie-Louise O'Donnell and Karl Deeter as 'loons'? All of them are very intelligent people, as far as I know.


  • #3805
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    September is going to be sh!t.

    https://twitter.com/DWUhlfelderLaw/status/1295148139456925696?s=20


  • #3806
    Arghus
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    El Sueño wrote: »
    People still think the zero covid approach is possible? Seriously?

    I don't think it's something particularly practical. It's definitely not easy and it would require a similar approach from the UK. There's no point in us going it alone attached to a country that isn't pursuing the same strategy.

    It's not going to happen now. There's no political will to do it. Right now everyone is scrambling to fight the fire and try to learn and get better at it on the fly.

    But, I do wonder if, hypothetically, Winter is bad - and I mean fcking bad - the dial on what's considered desirable and possible might get moved a fair bit. The true limits of trying to live alongside Covid will show themselves pretty clearly during those months. Expect the calls for a zero covid approach to get louder and louder. I have a feeling in my bones that people's attitudes will eventually shift on this issue.

    Just for the record I hope that Winter is not bad and that we muddle along somehow but I have the severest of severe doubts that we will. We're struggling - really struggling - to get a handle on things right now in late Summer, from where we were at fck all cases just a few weeks ago and with no competing cold and flu season, no schools or colleges back and no legions of people coughing and spluttering on each other in the dark days, the cold weather and with the damp just about everywhere. To me it's as obvious as night follows day that this Winter is going to be a complete shyteshow.

    And after that, well we'll see where we are in terms of what is considered practical, sustainable.


  • #3807
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,415 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    SeaBreezes wrote: »
    The countering position, herd immunity is being showcased for us by US, Brazil and Sweden. So far no gains economically, in fact worse than their neighbours and horrific death counts...

    Whereas NZ has shown it is possible

    Can I ask why NZ is held in such high regard?
    There's plenty of counties doing better that NZ, so why focus on NZ? They certainly haven't handled as good as others


  • #3808
    political analyst
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    MickeyLeari wrote: »
    It is a distraction.

    Listened to RTÉ today where Michael McNamara was being shouted down despite knowing more than any of the panellists.

    He is right. We have lost our senses.

    Disagreeing with someone is not 'shouting-down'.

    Sinéad O'Carroll told Dr McNamara that he was talking about an issue separate from Cawley's resignation from Fáilte Ireland and Damien O'Reilly was denying that our government's response to the pandemic was hysterical.


  • #3809
    [Deleted User]
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    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Zero Covid policy on an island with two different governments is BS. Btw the nursing home deaths are a consequence of policy. We had advance warning from Italy's experience. Even in March Holohan was telling the nursing homes not to act unilaterally by banning visitors. I have a serious issue when people try to rewrite history.

    Northern Ireland have followed our policies to date. When we introduced measures, they followed. They will follow again. Scotland and Northern Ireland have already endorsed zero covid policy. Our restrictions etc. are similar/level of disease is similar. What have we to loose from zero covid policy? New Zealand failed they got 30 cases of community transmission to date in last week or so. I would take that level of failure every time. There is no point blaming on past events. We learn, we be pragmatic, we plan for the future.


  • #3810
    Plumbthedepths
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    political analyst wrote: »
    Why would you regard Sinéad O'Carroll, Marie-Louise O'Donnell and Karl Deeter as 'loons'? All of them are very intelligent people, as far as I know.

    Intelligence is not a protection from hysteria.


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  • #3811
    fritzelly
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    Arghus wrote: »
    But, I do wonder if, hypothetically, Winter is bad - and I mean fcking bad - the dial on what's considered desirable and possible might get moved a fair bit. The true limits of trying to live alongside Covid will show themselves pretty clearly during those months. Expect the calls for a zero covid approach to get louder and louder. I have a feeling in my bones that people's attitudes will eventually shift on this issue.

    Likely to be one of the best winters with everyone sanitizing and wearing masks ergo stopping the flu spreading


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