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Covid 19 Part XXI-27,908 in ROI (1,777 deaths) 6,647 in NI (559 deaths)(22/08)Read OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,415 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Northern Ireland have followed our policies to date. When we introduced measures, they followed. They will follow again. Scotland and Northern Ireland have already endorsed zero covid policy. Our restrictions etc. are similar/level of disease is similar. What have we to loose from zero covid policy? New Zealand failed they got 30 cases of community transmission to date in last week or so. I would take that level of failure every time. There is no point blaming on past events. We learn, we be pragmatic, we plan for the future.

    I'm sorry, there's absolutely no way NI would block British citizens from entering NI. I don't even think they could legally do it. It's a devolved government, but they don't that that kind of control.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Northern Ireland have followed our policies to date. When we introduced measures, they followed. They will follow again. Scotland and Northern Ireland have already endorsed zero covid policy. Our restrictions etc. are similar/level of disease is similar. What have we to loose from zero covid policy? New Zealand failed they got 30 cases of community transmission to date in last week or so. I would take that level of failure every time. There is no point blaming on past events. We learn, we be pragmatic, we plan for the future.

    The nicest description I can describe your reply with is delusion, but if clinging onto such makes you happy I won't point out the flaws.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,189 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    fritzelly wrote: »
    Likely to be one of the best winters with everyone sanitizing and wearing masks ergo stopping the flu spreading

    It's possible. That would be a fantastic outcome. But I think more people coughing, sniffing and spluttering will just add to the chaos and confusion.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,554 ✭✭✭SeaBreezes




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,820 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    While I get the benefit of looking outside the country a bit for a ‘perspective’ of how other nations and societies are getting on... we need to focus on ourselves. I don’t get... look... xxx country, no lockdown and ONLY xxxx deaths...

    Ireland has a completely different social outlook, you can’t replicate doing what’s happening in xxx country and just expect it to succeed. Our psychological traits are completely different, for a start.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies



    Wake me up when 2020 ends.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,554 ✭✭✭SeaBreezes


    Arghus wrote: »
    It's possible. That would be a fantastic outcome. But I think more people coughing, sniffing and spluttering will just add to the chaos and confusion.

    I also linked to studies where fatalities of covid19 also had flu. You can get both at the same time :(

    Winter is coming.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭political analyst


    Intelligence is not a protection from hysteria.

    McNamara was allowed to get his points across. The others simply disagreed with him.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Arghus wrote: »
    It's possible. That would be a fantastic outcome. But I think more people coughing, sniffing and spluttering will just add to the chaos and confusion.

    Coughing/sniffing/spluttering into a facemask?Be grand.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,140 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Strumms wrote: »
    While I get the benefit of looking outside the country a bit for a ‘perspective’ of how other nations and societies are getting on... we need to focus on ourselves. I don’t get... look... xxx country, no lockdown and ONLY xxxx deaths...

    Ireland has a completely different social outlook, you can’t replicate doing what’s happening in xxx country and just expect it to succeed. Our psychological traits are completely different, for a start.

    Very true - every country is different from every other country. Even comparing us to the uk is pointless - we might be very similar but we are also very different

    A league of tables of who is doing better than anyone else is almost facetious


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    McNamara was allowed to get his points across. The others simply disagreed with him.

    McNamara is a legislator whom I assume is privy to advice and information from many experts. Karl Deleted gives economic advice to paying customers.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,415 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Strumms wrote: »
    While I get the benefit of looking outside the country a bit for a ‘perspective’ of how other nations and societies are getting on... we need to focus on ourselves. I don’t get... look... xxx country, no lockdown and ONLY xxxx deaths...

    Ireland has a completely different social outlook, you can’t replicate doing what’s happening in xxx country and just expect it to succeed. Our psychological traits are completely different, for a start.
    True. Every country is totally different.
    China orders it's people to jump: people jump
    NZ ask their population to jump: they say ok and jump
    Ireland ask their population to jump: they ask why?
    Ireland tell their population to jump: they reluctantly jump, but bitch and moan.
    Same kinda instructions, different mentality


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,472 ✭✭✭brooke 2


    Disagreeing with someone is not 'shouting-down'.

    Sinéad O'Carroll told Dr McNamara that he was talking about an issue separate from Cawley's resignation from Fáilte Ireland and Damien O'Reilly was denying that our government's response to the pandemic was hysterical.

    AFAIK, Michael McNamara is a barrister. From what I heard today, he did plenty of shouting himself! :D

    Quite worrying to think that he is the Chair of the government committee on Covid 19, as, from what I remember, he seemed to be in favour of opening everything up. Guess his East Clare publican constituents were happy with his performance this morning!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,189 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    Coughing/sniffing/spluttering into a facemask?Be grand.

    Let's hope so.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,140 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Arghus wrote: »
    Let's hope so.

    Be curious how the flu jab uptake is this year - certainly don't want a double whammy of catching both (coz it looks like CV is going nowhere)
    I only got it last year as been a long while since I've had it (30 years or so) and thought I'm due a dose


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Arghus wrote: »
    Let's hope so.

    650,000 lost annually from influenza, SD, hand hygiene, cough etiquette and face masks should go along way to reducing that number. Makes you wonder why such measures were not considered/ imposed before.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,140 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    650,000 lost annually from influenza, SD, hand hygiene, cough etiquette and face masks should go along way to reducing that number. Makes you wonder why such measures were not considered/ imposed before.

    Because that is not our way of life, or how humans have even evolved


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    I think we won't be able to go zerocovid for some time. It'll take time and anger to bring about that kind of change.
    The effects of this thing are only really starting to come out.
    When people start to realise the extent of the damage they may well demand change.

    Don’t just look at covid-19 fatality rates. Look at people who survive — but don’t entirely recover

    Anecdotal reports of these people abound. At least seven elite college athletes
    have developed myocarditis, an inflammation of the heart muscle that can have severe consequences,
    including sudden death. An Austrian doctor who treats scuba divers reported that six patients,
    who had only mild covid-19 infections, seem to have significant and permanent lung damage.
    Social media communities sprang up of people who are still suffering, months after they were
    infected, with everything from chronic fatigue and “brain fog” to chest pain and recurrent fevers.

    Now, data is coming in behind the anecdotes, and while it’s preliminary, it’s also “concerning,” says Clyde Yancy,
    chief of cardiology at Northwestern University’s Feinberg School of Medicine.
    A recent study from Germany followed up with 100 recovered patients,
    two-thirds of whom were never sick enough to be hospitalized.
    Seventy-eight showed signs of cardiac involvement, and MRIs indicated
    that 60 of them had ongoing cardiac inflammation,
    even though it had been at least two months since their diagnosis.

    Those patients would, on average, be much younger than the ones who are dying;
    the median age in the German study was 49. These are patients with many years of life to lose,
    either to disability or early death. And there are disturbing findings from much younger patients;
    a study of 186 children who had MIS-C, the (thankfully rare) inflammatory syndrome
    that can occur with pediatric covid-19, showed 15 had developed aneurysms of the coronary artery.


    https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1295144042045423616?s=20


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,624 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    650,000 lost annually from influenza, SD, hand hygiene, cough etiquette and face masks should go along way to reducing that number. Makes you wonder why such measures were not considered/ imposed before.

    Thats a conservative number. As far as I'm aware influenza is not a reportable illness in the USA. I may be corrected on that however


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,140 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    I think we won't be able to go zerocovid for some time. It'll take time and anger to bring about that kind of change.
    The effects of this thing are only really starting to come out.
    When people start to realise the extent of the damage they may well demand change.

    ...
    ...


    22 million cases - a few reports of "long covid"

    It's really not even worth the read - anecdotal reports don't cut it, it is not outside the bounds of any other viral infection for some people to have long lasting issues (it's what viruses do)


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    Wolf359f wrote: »
    I'm sorry, there's absolutely no way NI would block British citizens from entering NI. I don't even think they could legally do it. It's a devolved government, but they don't that that kind of control.

    No system is perfect. Our level of disease is currently higher than the UK anyhow. I did say earlier we would have to use diplomacy with regards NI/UK. Possibly a covid free UK/Ireland zone is another alternative. Its not going to be easy. Alternative is alot more grim for next 12/18 months and not sustainable. We still seem to be in emergency/reactionary mode rather than an overall plan.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    fritzelly wrote: »
    Because that is not our way of life, or how humans have even evolved

    Saving lives is not our way of life? What have has been the motive since march?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,820 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    fritzelly wrote: »
    Be curious how the flu jab uptake is this year - certainly don't want a double whammy of catching both (coz it looks like CV is going nowhere)
    I only got it last year as been a long while since I've had it (30 years or so) and thought I'm due a dose

    Going to be a lot of very panicked people this winter who just catch a regular cold/flu and be thinking the end is nigh... for whatever fûckin reason every year for 20 years, like clockwork,when seasons are changing, October into November then April into May or thereabouts I come down with a heavish cold / virus... nearly set your watch by it, I couldn’t and can’t explain it...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,627 ✭✭✭Micky 32



    Don’t just look at covid-19 fatality rates. Look at people who survive — but don’t entirely recover

    ]

    Nah, i’ll look at my cousin and her husband along with the 10 others i know fully recovered some months now.

    You’re a class A misery merchant.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Thats a conservative number. As far as I'm aware influenza is not a reportable illness in the USA. I may be corrected on that however

    650,000 is only official figure I could find.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,140 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Saving lives is not our way of life? What have has been the motive since march?

    We don't wear mask and stop interacting with people our whole lives - you made a general point and then made it all about covid in the response


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,415 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    fritzelly wrote: »
    22 million cases - a few reports of "long covid"

    It's really not even worth the read - anecdotal reports don't cut it, it is not outside the bounds of any other viral infection for some people to have long lasting issues (it's what viruses do)

    It's like the reinfections, 22 million cases and maybe a dozen reinfections. That puts it in the realm of false positives/negatives.
    There's certainly long term issues with some cases, but highlighting a few and saying it's quite common is fear mongering.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Micky 32 wrote: »
    Nah, i’ll look at my cousin and her husband along with the 10 others i know recovered some months now fully.

    You’re a class A misery merchant.

    I only know one person who caught the virus. Mid sixties back to work after two weeks and took the time to praise my son for donating a kidney.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    fritzelly wrote: »
    We don't wear mask and stop interacting with people our whole lives - you made a general point and then made it all about covid in the response

    Actually no, I pointed out how we are not willing to protect people from influenza but we will protect people from Covid under punishment of 6 months in prison yet influenza is a recurring illness.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,624 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    No system is perfect. Our level of disease is currently higher than the UK anyhow

    I struggle with statements like this when so many people are asymptomatic. 84 out of 87 in a recent outbreak in a food facility.

    Unless every country has identical testing procedures positive cases are not accurately quantifiable


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