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Covid 19 Part XXI-27,908 in ROI (1,777 deaths) 6,647 in NI (559 deaths)(22/08)Read OP

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  • #3572
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    Why is Glynn ACTING cmo? FGS if he is out there give him the job full stop. What is that all about?
    Holohan will be back in time, but not for quite a bit one would imagine.


  • #3573
    bennyl10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,591 ✭✭✭bennyl10


    touts wrote: »
    Or why not let all pubs open but ban the sale of alcohol in pubs and off licences. If the pub is all about social cohesion and meeting friends/neighbours as the Vintners claim then surely they could do that with minerals and tea/coffee.

    Basically call their bluff.

    because banning alcohols sales stops absolutely noting other than driving the problem underground

    sale of alocohol isn't the issue, stopping it would be an insane step


  • #3574
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,751 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    DevilsHaircut wrote: »
    OK. Deleted.

    But our inability to test in March/April as backed up by the antibody survey results means that we missed c. 85% of cases overall.

    That increases the apparent hospitalisation rate per cohort.

    We are now detecting a greater percentage of cases (as indicated by the asymptomatics found).

    So the overall hospitalisation rate can't be used to predict the current one (or to come up with a theory about e.g. the virus 'weakening').
    If that is the case it does back up the theory that this level of cases won't see any sort of surge in hospitalisations.


  • #3575
    godtabh
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 23,265 Mod ✭✭✭✭godtabh


    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    Why is Glynn ACTING cmo? FGS if he is out there give him the job full stop. What is that all about?

    The CMO’s wife is in palliative care. At the height of crisis
    Was balancing managing this crisis while he had a terminal ill wife and kids at home. He is now taking a temp leave of absence


  • #3576
    xvril
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 94 ✭✭xvril


    It must be a concern that a lot of cases are not easy to trace at the moment.


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  • #3577
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,203 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    We're testing more and finding more cases. There's no mystery about hospital figures, they will start rising again if spread picks up.


  • #3578
    harr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,512 ✭✭✭harr


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    And what age range would they be, if ya don't mind me asking? Would ya say they are healthy individuals?

    The people I knew in June were health care workers all in late 30,s early 40,s all hospitalised.
    Current individuals I know are meat factory workers all in there 40,s , 4 workers and two partners of the workers.


  • #3579
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,139 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    Why is Glynn ACTING cmo? FGS if he is out there give him the job full stop. What is that all about?

    Because the CMO is on extended leave for family reasons. Have you never encountered somebody in an acting position for a considerable length of time?


  • #3580
    Utopia Parkway
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,023 ✭✭✭✭Utopia Parkway


    touts wrote: »
    Or why not let all pubs open but ban the sale of alcohol in pubs and off licences. If the pub is all about social cohesion and meeting friends/neighbours as the Vintners claim then surely they could do that with minerals and tea/coffee.

    Basically call their bluff.

    Of the many daft things posted on here daily that is definitely one of the dafter.


  • #3581
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,139 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    hmmm wrote: »
    We're testing more and finding more cases. There's no mystery about hospital figures, they will start rising again if spread picks up.

    How long is the lag supposed to be though, they say 15% require hospitalisation but this does no correspond to numbers from 2 to 4 weeks ago.


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  • #3582
    amandstu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,209 ✭✭✭amandstu


    Can anyone tell me if it is possible to easily reference the daily and overall Community Transmission figures both here and in other countries?

    Standalone or as a percentage.


  • #3583
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,049 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    Because the CMO is on extended leave for family reasons. Have you never encountered somebody in an acting position for a considerable length of time?

    He was openly disputing with government when he left, it all felt a bit sudden, I don't think he'll be back.


  • #3584
    DevilsHaircut
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 524 ✭✭✭DevilsHaircut


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    If that is the case it does back up the theory that this level of cases won't see any sort of surge in hospitalisations.

    It depends how many cases our current cases infect, and who they are.

    Spain went from 156 to 864 hospitalisations per week in the last month.


    https://twitter.com/chrischirp/status/1294619858638905344


  • #3585
    Strumms
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,820 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    Why is Glynn ACTING cmo? FGS if he is out there give him the job full stop. What is that all about?

    Can’t ‘give’ him a job that isn’t vacant. It’s still Tony Holohans job... he is just on leave... Glynn steps in to temporarily fill the position and carry out the duties that need to be done.


  • #3586
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,139 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    He was openly disputing with government when he left, it all felt a bit sudden, I don't think he'll be back.

    Oh please, give us a break. That's unfounded nonsense.


  • #3587
    landofthetree
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,463 ✭✭✭landofthetree


    Higher rate than the UK and USA. :rolleyes:

    So while the media were slamming Boris and Trump our own government weren't doing so well.


  • #3588
    bennyl10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,591 ✭✭✭bennyl10


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    He was openly disputing with government when he left, it all felt a bit sudden, I don't think he'll be back.

    6 months on and we have, by some distance, the worst conspiracy theory on this thread

    insanity


  • #3589
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,203 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    Lag between community transmission and deaths is 2 months in the view of this epidemiologist . Anyone who says "but there are no deaths" as case numbers start to increase either don't understand Covid, or they are deliberately trying to confuse the matter.

    https://twitter.com/prieto_alhambra/status/1294893299501850624


  • #3590
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    niallo27 wrote: »
    How long is the lag supposed to be though, they say 15% require hospitalisation but this does no correspond to numbers from 2 to 4 weeks ago.
    Yeah that is about the timeframe but the difference now is that those who are seen to be most at risk are not as directly in the firing line as in March. With younger age groups in general now infected there may also be fewer who will get to the point of hospitalisation.


  • #3591
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    bennyl10 wrote: »
    wouldnt be surprised if all Pubs were closed again.

    cant do much else, but it would stop congregating

    And would stop all the thousands of cases arising from pub/restaurants is that it?


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  • #3592
    lee_baby_simms
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,498 ✭✭✭lee_baby_simms


    Some interesting new data.

    https://twitter.com/jamestodaromd/status/1295051307582140417?s=21


  • #3593
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    podgeandrodge wrote: »
    So what is Govt. goal now? Is it still 'flatten the curve' (aren't we reasonably flat?) Or is it practical elimination strategy?

    Originally we were told the goal was not to overwhelm the health services, and the original phases I understood to be in keeping with that ie that there was an acceptance that we'd live with a few cases once we had it under control.

    But now we're keeping things closed even those that didn't contribute to case problems. Like we are afraid of cases going up, rather than managing that situation as and if/when it occurs.

    If they engage in more restrictions then their original plan no longer holds.


  • #3594
    MOR316
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,246 ✭✭✭MOR316


    The Unbearables wrote: »
    Would be a good move. We need to double down and get on top of this.

    No, no it would not be a good move at all


  • #3595
    BorneTobyWilde
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,697 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Oranage2 wrote: »
    66 cases I'll be able to sleep somewhat sounder. Crazy to think only two weeks ago 66 was a high number, nowadays double digits seems to be a good number.




    It's like people think that todays numbers somehow makes the numbers of the previous days disappear. It's another 66, on top of the hundreds of cases this past few days.


  • #3596
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    It's like people think that todays numbers somehow makes the numbers of the previous days disappear. It's another 66, on top of the hundreds of cases this past few days.
    Some people need to be reassured by lower numbers, nothing more just as they'd be concerned about a higher number tomorrow.


  • #3597
    gmisk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,463 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    It's like people think that todays numbers somehow makes the numbers of the previous days disappear. It's another 66, on top of the hundreds of cases this past few days.
    Is that not also quiet a high number for a Sunday?

    Quick look and it seems to be highest Sunday since mid May


  • #3598
    MOR316
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,246 ✭✭✭MOR316


    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    It's like people think that todays numbers somehow makes the numbers of the previous days disappear. It's another 66, on top of the hundreds of cases this past few days.

    Person in taking relief at lower case numbers, to ease their worries and mind, as human nature dictates, shocker

    :rolleyes:


  • #3599
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,203 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    lee_baby_simms wrote: »
    Some interesting new data.
    And a paper was published yesterday which said exactly the opposite. Exposure to other coronavirus did not give protection against Covid. Science eh. But good people are looking into this, so we should get closer to the truth.

    https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.08.14.20173393v1


  • #3600
    What Username Guidelines
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,139 ✭✭✭What Username Guidelines


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    The lack of hospital admission is quite surprising tbh.


    Here is the amount of cases in the last two weeks, plus the hospitalisation rate per HPSC data, and the expected number of hospitalisations.

    0-4 - +42 - HR of 10.21% gives expected admissions of 4 people
    5-14 - +74 - HR of 4.33% gives expected admissions of 3 people
    15-24 - +200 - HR of 3.69% gives expected admissions of 7 people
    25-34 - +263 - HR of 4.37% gives expected admissions of 11 people
    35-44 - +199 - HR of 5.82% gives expected admissions of 12 people
    45-54 - +158 - HR of 9.49% gives expected admissions of 15 people
    55-64 - +83 - HR of 14.97% gives expected admissions of 12 people
    65-74 - +42 - HR of 31.85% gives expected admissions of 13 people
    75-84 - +14 - HR of 32.43% gives expected admissions of 5 people
    85+ - +7 - HR of 20.09% gives expected admissions of 1 person


    Total expected admissions: 83 people in last two weeks.
    Actual admissions: +26

    You’re a gentleman and an officer. Thanks for pulling this together.


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  • #3601
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,139 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    gmisk wrote: »
    Is that not also quiet a high number for a Sunday?

    Quick look and it seems to be highest Sunday since mid May

    68 last sunday?


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