Covid 19 Part XXI-27,908 in ROI (1,777 deaths) 6,647 in NI (559 deaths)(22/08)Read OP

Renjit · 16-08-2020 02:04PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

The science https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/masking-lack-of-evidence-with-politics/
Why are we even bothering to trial vaccines when they just work in the lab, I'll tell you why as we can't see the unintended consequences without real world trails.
Leister in the UK which went into lockdown and introduced mandatory Masks cases went up, we introduced them cases went up, I'm not saying correlation equals causation but we just don't really know yet. I'm sceptical the corner shop is a major source or infection transmission that warrants 6mts in jail.

What about these false equivalences? Vaccines have long term impact (side effects). No mask is going to give you arthritis after years of wearing.

hmmm · 16-08-2020 02:05PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

I'm sceptical the corner shop is a major source or infection transmission that warrants 6mts in jail.

Seeing as you're not a public health expert and haven't published any scientific studies to prove your opinions, I'm going to follow the public health advice instead.

Sparko · 16-08-2020 02:07PM

Just a quick update, I mentioned a few days ago that I had a relative who was determined to be a close contact of a positive case.

The positive case was confirmed on Thursday, contact tracers were given details on Friday, my relative was contacted this morning and is waiting on a test date now. He has isolated since hearing of the positive case.

His partner is also a close contact of the confirmed positive case. She asked her GP for a test immediately as she had cold like symptoms. Tested on Friday, negative result today thankfully. She was contacted by tracers on Saturday but she'd already had the test at that stage, and the tracers told her she could go back to work on Monday if she tested negative. Her GP also stated this. But the message she got with her test results said continue isolating until next weekend.

The HSE website says close contacts with negative results should continue to isolate and receive a second test, but the GP and tracers seem to have contradicted this in this case. This inconsistency in message is worrying to me.

Boggles · 16-08-2020 02:07PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Saying masks 100% prevent infection is incredibly dangerous.

Who said that?

drunkmonkey · 16-08-2020 02:08PM

GooglePlus wrote: »

They're pretty good at mimicking real life environments.

It's safe to see masks clearly work.

That's not what little science we have in the real world says, we know some masks cause more damage than good. I don't know how you can interpret face coverings as mandated by the government here are universally a good idea.
I'm sick or seeing them thrown everywhere, counted 5 on the beach the other day that's besides the ones on the street and getting blown into my garden. There filthy disgusting yokes and feck all people are using them in a clinically acceptable way.

ACitizenErased · 16-08-2020 02:08PM

Sparko wrote: »

Just a quick update, I mentioned a few days ago that I had a relative who was determined to be a close contact of a positive case.

The positive case was confirmed on Thursday, contact tracers were given details on Friday, my relative was contacted this morning and is waiting on a test date now. He has isolated since hearing of the positive case.

His partner is also a close contact of the confirmed positive case. She asked her GP for a test immediately as she had cold like symptoms. Tested on Friday, negative result today thankfully. She was contacted by tracers on Saturday but she'd already had the test at that stage, and the tracers told her she could go back to work on Monday. Her GP also stated this. But the message she got with her test results said continue isolating until next weekend.

The HSE website says close contacts with negative contacts should isolate and receive a second test, but the GP and tracers seem to have contradicted this in this case. This inconsistency in message is worrying to me.

I thought we were supposed to be testing contacts twice

expectationlost · 16-08-2020 02:09PM

Boggles wrote: »

I know, but that particular picture was put up to show "wrong doing".

its was put up as 1 of 4 photos the promoter posted, it would have been selective not to show all 4, you are being selective.

the corpo · 16-08-2020 02:09PM

Renjit wrote: »

Is that also within the criteria? Looks like normal pre covid seating arrangement to me.

This picture raises a different question for me, and one I may be wrong on, but unless the people at all those tables (and every table I've seen at a restaurant/cafe) recently are from the same household, should they not be seated further apart? Or am I wrong on the advice on this?

is_that_so · 16-08-2020 02:10PM

hmmm wrote: »

Seeing as you're not a public health expert and haven't published any scientific studies to prove your opinions, I'm going to follow the public health advice instead.

One doesn't need to be an expert to read the data on cases we've had. Based on that said corner shop is very low risk. The mask wearing is based on anticipated larger numbers and the likelihood that distancing will be far more difficult to do. If people see it as the panacea and drop other more important preventative measures then risks can rise.

Renjit · 16-08-2020 02:12PM

the corpo wrote: »

This picture raises a different question for me, and one I may be wrong on, but unless the people at all those tables (and every table I've seen at a restaurant/cafe) recently are from the same household, should they not be seated further apart? Or am I wrong on the advice on this?

Ideally they should be seated in alternate square spaces. This looks like a shoddy job to begin with. Belongs to /r/notmyjob :pac:

drunkmonkey · 16-08-2020 02:12PM

Renjit wrote: »

What about these false equivalences? Vaccines have long term impact (side effects). No mask is going to give you arthritis after years of wearing.

Don't know anything about the vaccine, just know I'll be in the 30/40% who don't take it until satisfied it's safe, certainly haven't my flight to Moscow booked like some here.

fm · 16-08-2020 02:12PM

niallo27 wrote: »

That video is the main headline line on the rte news App, would they ever **** off. How the **** does that even deserve to make the news.

A national broadcaster having this their top story, imagine the BBC doing that,RTE keeping the hysteria high
it's barely even daily mail ****e

Sparko · 16-08-2020 02:14PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I thought we were supposed to be testing contacts twice

As did I. Not sure what has happened here and the conflicting comments coming from the various parts of the system is not ideal.

podgeandrodge · 16-08-2020 02:15PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

I'm sceptical the corner shop is a major source or infection transmission that warrants 6mts in jail.

hmmm wrote: »

Seeing as you're not a public health expert and haven't published any scientific studies to prove your opinions, I'm going to follow the public health advice instead.

In fairness, it's arguable that it's reasonable to be skeptical when small shops/supermarkets have not been known sources of transmission to date, even well before masks were made mandatory.

podgeandrodge · 16-08-2020 02:16PM

the corpo wrote: »

This picture raises a different question for me, and one I may be wrong on, but unless the people at all those tables (and every table I've seen at a restaurant/cafe) recently are from the same household, should they not be seated further apart? Or am I wrong on the advice on this?

Looks like 1m to me, which is allowed. (Not talking about the other nonsense though, that was crazy)

ACitizenErased · 16-08-2020 02:17PM

Sparko wrote: »

As did I. Not sure what has happened here and the conflicting comments coming from the various parts of the system is not ideal.

Just about sums up where we’re at right now - complete lack of cohesion and a plan

podgeandrodge · 16-08-2020 02:18PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

little did he know.

https://twitter.com/BadCOVID19Takes/status/1245397261829296128?s=20

Strumms wrote: »

An old republican right wing nut job and Trump worshipper. No surprise. This is what the most influential democracy in the world looks like, folks.

Plenty of equally wrong tweets from Dems too such as Cuomo in Chinatown back in March. No-one is immune from being incorrect in advance.

Renjit · 16-08-2020 02:18PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Just about sums up where we’re at right now - complete lack of cohesion and a plan

But we were doing so well with the testing and contact tracing. It was all too good. I see nobody bat an eyelid then.

podgeandrodge · 16-08-2020 02:19PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Yeah except they can get it just as bad. It only lives if transmits. We need to stop the transmission. Air / coughing /sneezing/surfaces etc. I didn't stay at home so someone goes ape**** in a bar.

https://twitter.com/Cleavon_MD/status/1294759156109332480?s=20

TikTok star Karim Salmen, social media star on death's door, but still making sure he gets the videos out!

ACitizenErased · 16-08-2020 02:20PM

Renjit wrote: »

But we were doing so well with the testing and contact tracing. It was all too good. I see nobody bat an eyelid then.

Since leadership changed the whole communication thing has been lacking

Renjit · 16-08-2020 02:20PM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

TikTok star Karim Salmen, social media star on death's door, but still making sure he gets the videos out!

Kids are kids. Just having fun. What can we do? :pac:

Jim_Hodge · 16-08-2020 02:24PM

Renjit wrote: »

Kids are kids. Just having fun. What can we do? :pac:

Your definition of what a kid is defies logic,

drunkmonkey · 16-08-2020 02:24PM

Renjit wrote: »

Kids are kids. Just having fun. What can we do? :pac:

Anything to be said for 6mts in Jail?

s1ippy · 16-08-2020 02:25PM

GooglePlus wrote: »

They're pretty good at mimicking real life environments.

It's safe to see masks clearly work.

They keep posting this even though the second paragraph clearly states:

It is debatable whether any of these results could be applied to the transmission of SARs-CoV-2

Renjit · 16-08-2020 02:27PM

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

Your definition of what a kid is defies logic,

Not so much when posters here are defending D2 by saying they are just kids.

boggerman1 · 16-08-2020 02:28PM

owlbethere wrote: »

In one breath some experts are saying the virus is not transmissible from kids. Then there is this:

https://theliberal.ie/parents-are-being-advised-to-wash-lunchboxes-when-kids-return-to-school-as-virus-lives-longer-on-plastic-surfaces-2/

Some experts reccomending for parents to wash plastic lunch boxes every day when children go back to school because virus can live on plastic for some time. Surely advice like this would indicate that children with the virus can have infectious bodily fluids/saliva and can transmit the virus.[/quote. some experts believe the sky is blue.at this stage all these “experts “ are trying to outdo themselves by claiming that the thing is on every surface one day and then the next it’s not.sure if that’s the case we might as well stay in bed and never dare set foot outside ever again.the scaremongering is gone way ott now and needs to be reigned in damn fecking fast for the mental health of the population.if this continues there will more people die from suicide from the negativity than the bloody virus will ever kill

pjohnson · 16-08-2020 02:31PM

If the Berlin was actually serving "kids" then they certainly deserve all consequences.

Surely they at least ID'd their "customers"?

Cant call adults "kids" to try and sweep away reality.

Renjit · 16-08-2020 02:35PM

pjohnson wrote: »

Cant call adults "kids" to try and sweep away reality.

That also shows how some parents are ok with their kids breaking the rules under the pretext "kids are kids, just having fun". And then we talk about impunity to juveniles when committing crimes leading to far serious ones. It's idiocracy full on.

growleaves · 16-08-2020 02:41PM

Renjit wrote: »

That also shows how some parents are ok with their kids breaking the rules under the pretext "kids are kids, just having fun". And then we talk about impunity to juveniles when committing crimes leading to far serious ones. It's idiocracy full on.

Lol so now that we've criminalised so many facets of ordinary behaviour are we seriously saying that standing 1m next to someone or sitting on a bus w/o a mask is a gateway into a life of serious criminality?

Renjit · 16-08-2020 02:43PM

growleaves wrote: »

Lol so now that we've criminalised so many facets of ordinary behaviour are we seriously saying that standing 1m next to someone or sitting on a bus w/o a mask is a gateway into a life of serious criminality?

What you see in D2 is no ordinary behavior for these times. Flout all the rules, dude, you are set up for that.

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