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Covid 19 Part XXI-27,908 in ROI (1,777 deaths) 6,647 in NI (559 deaths)(22/08)Read OP

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  • #3302
    expectationlost
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,505 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    Boggles wrote: »
    EfiMi-aXkAAe64S?format=jpg&name=large

    Half empty and everyone sitting down? :confused:
    there are plenty of other video and photos https://twitter.com/search?q=berlin%20d2&f=video


  • #3303
    Jim Root
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 487 ✭✭Jim Root


    expectationlost wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/ErikaScally/status/1294939435923111936

    The punters need to be blamed here aswell.


  • #3304
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    Do you disagree that the majority of cases come from Dublin and Kildare? The numbers don’t lie.

    Where do most of the people live?
    Answer not cork.
    There’s a thing called per capita, check it out.

    The virus doesn’t recognise country borders let alone county borders.

    Individual responsibility is the way to go


  • #3305
    Steve F
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,858 ✭✭✭Steve F


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    I haven't been stopped anywhere, avoiding Centra though if you don't have one your charged €3 on the way in for one. Handed to you by someone who may or may not have covid, they can keep it.
    I haven't spent any longer than 5 minutes in a shop though, probably put one on if in there for 15 minutes or more, trying to avoid those situations though.

    Yep.
    My point I suppose is if the wearing of facemasks is mandatory yet we still can't get it right and enforce it,what chance have we got..... something so simple.
    What else aren't people doing?


  • #3306
    Renjit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 949 ✭✭✭Renjit


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    To be fair, there’s a metre between those tables, no?
    Not defending it btw before i get jumped at as usual, shut the place down

    Is that also within the criteria? Looks like normal pre covid seating arrangement to me.
    EfiMi-DXsAM9pNV?format=jpg


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  • #3307
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,751 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Where do most of the people live?
    Answer not cork.
    There’s a thing called per capita, check it out.

    The virus doesn’t recognise country borders let alone county borders.

    Individual responsibility is the way to go

    What’re you going on about Cork for? It has 5 times less cases per capita than Dublin, 40 times less than Kildare over the past two weeks.
    Dublin and Kildare accounted for 75% of cases yesterday, and Leinster accounted for 82% of cases over the past two weeks. Check my posts for proof of this, I did the maths.
    That’s not blaming, that’s stating a fact.


  • #3308
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,203 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    Steve F wrote: »
    Needless to say it WASN'T unforced
    What's the point unless ALL businesses and establishments are enforcing it?
    Anyone?
    It's difficult for businesses now, they are all struggling and there are plenty of precious gob****es going around maskless trying to create trouble. Businesses have enough on their plate without trying to deal with these people.

    I think we'll have to make it an offence to serve someone without a mask. That will make it easier for businesses.


  • #3309
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,504 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    expectationlost wrote: »
    there are plenty of other video and photos https://twitter.com/search?q=berlin%20d2&f=video

    I know, but that particular picture was put up to show "wrong doing".


  • #3310
    Renjit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 949 ✭✭✭Renjit


    hmmm wrote: »
    It's difficult for businesses now, they are all struggling and there are plenty of precious gob****es going around maskless trying to create trouble. Businesses have enough on their plate without trying to deal with these people.

    I think we'll have to make it an offence to serve someone without a mask. That will make it easier for businesses.

    My flatmate didnt even know that masks are required in enclosed spaces now. Dunnes store rep had to tell him but let him in anyway.


  • #3311
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,049 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    hmmm wrote: »
    It's difficult for businesses now, they are all struggling and there are plenty of precious gob****es going around maskless trying to create trouble. Businesses have enough on their plate without trying to deal with these people.

    I think we'll have to make it an offence to serve someone without a mask. That will make it easier for businesses.

    Who's going to enforce such a policy especially one based on no real world science the only evidence we have says mandatory masking may prevent 1 in every 200,00 cases.
    I'd prefer it was based on time and specific to browsing shops rather than grab and go shops with doors on the high street.
    There is no difference drawn between 1hr fluting around in TKMaxx in the shopping center and 2 minutes in the corner shop. That is bad policy, just like the €9 pizza policy.


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  • #3312
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,139 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    That video is the main headline line on the rte news App, would they ever **** off. How the **** does that even deserve to make the news.


  • #3313
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,203 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    Renjit wrote: »
    My flatmate didnt even know that masks are required in enclosed spaces now. Dunnes store rep had to tell him but let him in anyway.
    There's a big difference between those who don't have a mask/out of touch/forget a mask and the "I'm deliberately not wearing a mask and look everyone I'm not wearing a mask because I'm special and you're all sheeple" crowd.


  • #3314
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,751 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    Who's going to enforce such a policy especially one based on no real world science the only evidence we have says mandatory masking may prevent 1 in every 200,00 cases.
    I'd prefer it was based on time and specific to browsing shops rather than grab and go shops with doors on the high street.
    There is no difference drawn between 1hr fluting around in TKMaxx in the shopping center and 2 minutes in the corner shop. That is bad policy, just like the €9 pizza policy.

    There’s a big misconception that masks are meant to stop cases. Not true. Masks are primarily to lower viral load. Masks could go a long way to explaining why we have so many asymptomatic cases (if the factory stories are to be believed) as of late.


  • #3315
    Renjit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 949 ✭✭✭Renjit


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    Who's going to enforce such a policy especially one based on no real world science the only evidence we have says mandatory masking may prevent 1 in every 200,00 cases.
    I'd prefer it was based on time and specific to browsing shops rather than grab and go shops with doors on the high street.
    There is no difference drawn between 1hr fluting around in TKMaxx in the shopping center and 2 minutes in the corner shop. That is bad policy, just like the €9 pizza policy.

    Here people are not able to follow simple advice and you talk about complicating it with more variables :pac:

    Here is the list which I posted earlier and your all hail denmark is also going for strict mask policy now. It's time that you wait for Denmark for more updates:D

    If someone asks: What's the evidence for mask wearing? Here is a list of *SEVENTY* papers, including reviews/meta-analysis and individual studies, in reverse chronological order. Includes 31 from 2020 alone (!!). META = meta-analysis or systematic review. (Source: https://threader.app/thread/1279144399897866248)


  • #3316
    Steve F
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,858 ✭✭✭Steve F


    hmmm wrote: »
    It's difficult for businesses now, they are all struggling and there are plenty of precious gob****es going around maskless trying to create trouble. Businesses have enough on their plate without trying to deal with these people.

    I think we'll have to make it an offence to serve someone without a mask. That will make it easier for businesses.

    I forgot to say....This was an NCT Centre


  • #3317
    growleaves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,001 ✭✭✭growleaves


    I'm always wary of people who draw conclusions with incomplete data.

    Then why did you call immunity from reinfection a "pipe dream" when there's no conclusive evidence that people are being reinfected?


  • #3318
    Renjit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 949 ✭✭✭Renjit


    hmmm wrote: »
    There's a big difference between those who don't have a mask/out of touch/forget a mask and the "I'm deliberately not wearing a mask and look everyone I'm not wearing a mask because I'm special and you're all sheeple" crowd.

    Earlier (a month or so), his reason for not wearing mask was that no one else was wearing mask and it looks stupid wearing one. What more can I say :pac:


  • #3319
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    That Berlin D2 bar has some nice tweets.

    https://twitter.com/berlin_d2/status/1250890725253951489?s=21


  • #3320
    owlbethere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭owlbethere


    In one breath some experts are saying the virus is not transmissible from kids. Then there is this:

    https://theliberal.ie/parents-are-being-advised-to-wash-lunchboxes-when-kids-return-to-school-as-virus-lives-longer-on-plastic-surfaces-2/

    Some experts reccomending for parents to wash plastic lunch boxes every day when children go back to school because virus can live on plastic for some time. Surely advice like this would indicate that children with the virus can have infectious bodily fluids/saliva and can transmit the virus.


  • #3321
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,139 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    Renjit wrote: »
    My flatmate didnt even know that masks are required in enclosed spaces now. Dunnes store rep had to tell him but let him in anyway.
    Renjit wrote: »
    His reason for not wearing mask was that no one else is wearing mask and it looks stupid wearing one. What more can I say :pac:

    :confused: Which was it?


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  • #3322
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,049 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    Renjit wrote: »
    Here people are not able to follow simple advice and you talk about complicating it with more variables :pac:

    Here is the list which I posted earlier and your all hail denmark is also going for strict mask policy now. It's time that you wait for Denmark for more updates:D

    If someone asks: What's the evidence for mask wearing? Here is a list of *SEVENTY* papers, including reviews/meta-analysis and individual studies, in reverse chronological order. Includes 31 from 2020 alone (!!). META = meta-analysis or systematic review. (Source: https://threader.app/thread/1279144399897866248)

    Every single one based on clinical based studies in a labatory environment.
    Let's wait for the Denmark study, can't see how the government are going to backtrack as it will require them admitting they are wrong on the effectiveness outside labatory settings.
    https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/masking-lack-of-evidence-with-politics/

    What absolutely stuns me though regardless of which of us is correct is were only discovering these things now. We heard the other day some masks are actually worse than no masks as we're turning the big droplets into smaller droplets which give a larger spray.


  • #3323
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,203 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    owlbethere wrote: »
    In one breath some experts are saying the virus is not transmissible from kids. Then there is this:

    https://theliberal.ie/parents-are-being-advised-to-wash-lunchboxes-when-kids-return-to-school-as-virus-lives-longer-on-plastic-surfaces-2/

    Some experts reccomending for parents to wash plastic lunch boxes every day when children go back to school because virus can live on plastic for some time. Surely advice like this would indicate that children with the virus can have infectious bodily fluids/saliva and can transmit the virus.
    I think some of these posts are missing the point. If kids are being exposed to the virus in classrooms or lunchboxes, we've already failed. We need to keep community transmission low, so that there is a very low likelihood of outbreaks in schools. Whether we can do that or not remains to be seen.


  • #3324
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,504 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    There’s a big misconception that masks are meant to stop cases. Not true. Masks are primarily to lower viral load.

    That's not true.

    Masks prevent infections, it's a simply concept that has been around for a 100 years.
    Two compelling case reports also suggest that masks can prevent transmission in high-risk scenarios, said Chin-Hong and Rutherford. In one case, a man flew from China to Toronto and subsequently tested positive for COVID-19. He had a dry cough and wore a mask on the flight, and all 25 people closest to him on the flight tested negative for COVID-19. In another case, in late May, two hair stylists in Missouri had close contact with 140 clients while sick with COVID-19. Everyone wore a mask and none of the clients tested positive.


  • #3325
    Renjit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 949 ✭✭✭Renjit


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    :confused: Which was it?

    Same flatmate. The second instance is old one (a month or more) when he used to wear mask.


  • #3326
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,203 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    What absolutely stuns me though regardless of which of us is correct is were only discovering these things now. We heard the other day some masks are actually worse than no masks as we're turning the big droplets into smaller droplets which give a larger spray.
    You know how science works right? We run experiments and develop our knowledge over time. We can only work off the knowledge we have now.

    In that particular study, it was a very small number of masks (bandana types) which were shown to be a problem, the rest all had at least some impact in reducing transmission. That's how science works.


  • #3327
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,751 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Boggles wrote: »
    That's not true.

    Masks prevent infections, it's a simply concept that has been around for a 100 years.
    Saying masks 100% prevent infection is incredibly dangerous. It has been made fairly clear that masks are to be used with social distancing and all other hygiene measures.


  • #3328
    John O.Groats
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 837 ✭✭✭John O.Groats


    niallo27 wrote: »
    That video is the main headline line on the rte news App, would they ever **** off. How the **** does that even deserve to make the news.

    Of course it does. This was dangerous reckless selfish moronic behaviour that was being exposed. No matter how much you or anyone else want to bury your head in the sand in denial about it. Hopefully if any other morons engage in this behaviour they will receive the full glare of exposure as well.


  • #3329
    GooglePlus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,010 ✭✭✭GooglePlus


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    Every single one based on clinical based studies in a labatory environment.
    Let's wait for the Denmark study, can't see how the government are going to backtrack as it will require them admitting they are wrong on the effectiveness outside labatory settings.
    https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/masking-lack-of-evidence-with-politics/

    What absolutely stuns me though regardless of which of us is correct is were only discovering these things now. We heard the other day some masks are actually worse than no masks as we're turning the big droplets into smaller droplets which give a larger spray.

    They're pretty good at mimicking real life environments.

    It's safe to see masks clearly work.


  • #3330
    Renjit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 949 ✭✭✭Renjit


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    Saying masks 100% prevent infection is incredibly dangerous. It has been made fairly clear that masks are to be used with social distancing and all other hygiene measures.

    I think its reasonable to assume they reduce the risk. No one is saying masks make you invincible.

    Other parameters like good hygiene and social distancing go hand in hand. It doesnt have to be mutually exclusive.


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  • #3331
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,049 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    hmmm wrote: »
    You know how science works right? We run experiments and develop our knowledge over time. We can only work off the knowledge we have now.

    In that particular study, it was a very small number of masks (bandana types) which were shown to be a problem, the rest all had at least some impact in reducing transmission. That's how science works.

    The science https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/masking-lack-of-evidence-with-politics/
    Why are we even bothering to trial vaccines when they just work in the lab, I'll tell you why as we can't see the unintended consequences without real world trails.
    Leister in the UK which went into lockdown and introduced mandatory Masks cases went up, we introduced them cases went up, I'm not saying correlation equals causation but we just don't really know yet. I'm sceptical the corner shop is a major source or infection transmission that warrants 6mts in jail.


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