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    Covid 19 Part XXI-27,908 in ROI (1,777 deaths) 6,647 in NI (559 deaths)(22/08)Read OP

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    • #2372
      Boggles
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      Le Bruise wrote: »
      Based on feelings?

      Based on 70 odd swabs not accounted for yesterday, 120 odd today and the added dimension of private testing.

      There could well be a big one.

      But it has turned into quite the lotto of late, so God knows.


    • #2373
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      Boggles wrote: »
      Based on 70 odd swabs not accounted for yesterday, 120 odd today and the added dimension of private testing.

      There could well be a big one.

      But it has turned into quite the lotto of late, so God knows.


      It probably wouldn't be too PC for a bookies to allow you to place bets on how many new cases happen each day but it would add an element of enterainment to proceedings. They could also have the option of lower/higher than the day before or betting on an odd/even number for those unsure what to bet on.


    • #2374
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      Atlantic Dawn wrote: »
      It probably wouldn't be too PC for a bookies to allow you to place bets on how many new cases happen each day but it would add an element of enterainment to proceedings. They could also have the option of lower/higher than the day before or betting on an odd/even number for those unsure what to bet on.

      They should stop daily reporting and only do it every week.

      Proper shít your pants entertainment.


    • #2375
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      Boggles wrote: »
      They should stop daily reporting and only do it every week.

      Proper shít your pants entertainment.

      Marty Whelan could host it on a Friday night in a play your cards right style, sell scratch cards and it you match the number you win a holiday to a green list country


    • #2376
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      Is being asymptomatic really a thing with this virus? Or would people be more like pre symptomatic more so than asymptomatic? Or maybe some people are not doing their civil duty of reducing movements and close contacts if they don't feel well.

      I was talking to a lady I know who's a nurse. She was tested a few months ago because of her job and she tested positive. She claimed to have no symptoms and she claimed to be asymptomatic. She said she didn't even have a cold and then she went on to say, she did have a cough but aside from that she was grand. That's not really asymptomatic, now is it?


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    • #2377
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      owlbethere wrote: »
      Is being asymptomatic really a thing with this virus? Or would people be more like pre symptomatic more so than asymptomatic? Or maybe some people are not doing their civil duty of reducing movements and close contacts if they don't feel well.

      I was talking to a lady I know who's a nurse. She was tested a few months ago because of her job and she tested positive. She claimed to have no symptoms and she claimed to be asymptomatic. She said she didn't even have a cold and then she went on to say, she did have a cough but aside from that she was grand. That's not really asymptomatic, now is it?

      Well if you go by the dictionary meaning of asymptomatic (of a person or illness) having no symptoms) coughing is not asymptomatic.

      Sounds like they are trying to make up an excuse for whatever reason.


    • #2378
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      ACitizenErased wrote: »
      I live just outside Cork City and mask compliance is well over 90%. The lack of cases in Cork for the past 2 weeks signifies this is true.

      Just visiting Cork this week and I have to say that mask wearing and hygiene in shops (everyone using sanitiser, tighter control of numbers going into the shop) are both noticeably better than where I live in Dublin


    • #2379
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      Atlantic Dawn wrote: »
      It probably wouldn't be too PC for a bookies to allow you to place bets on how many new cases happen each day but it would add an element of enterainment to proceedings. They could also have the option of lower/higher than the day before or betting on an odd/even number for those unsure what to bet on.

      While it’s easy to rig a horse or dog race, rigging this would be child’s play. When’re there were too many positives you could claim ‘backlog’
      Add them at a later date when no one expects it and claim “germany”

      Won’t stop people on here “predicting”.
      Should be a weekly thing to iron out the kinks and really see the trend.

      Dr Glynn said that each case is a person so it would be in very bad taste considering the subject matter.


    • #2380
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      owlbethere wrote: »
      Is being asymptomatic really a thing with this virus? Or would people be more like pre symptomatic more so than asymptomatic? Or maybe some people are not doing their civil duty of reducing movements and close contacts if they don't feel well.

      I was talking to a lady I know who's a nurse. She was tested a few months ago because of her job and she tested positive. She claimed to have no symptoms and she claimed to be asymptomatic. She said she didn't even have a cold and then she went on to say, she did have a cough but aside from that she was grand. That's not really asymptomatic, now is it?

      Yeah it’s a weird area. Presympromatic spread is real (as it is in the flu). Asymptomatic spread is also real.

      https://twitter.com/alinouriphd/status/1294421640735072259?s=21


    • #2381
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      Saliva test given approval by US FDA
      https://twitter.com/aslavitt/status/1294654256763609090?s=21


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    • #2382
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      ACitizenErased wrote: »
      LATEST TESTING UPDATE

      Tests conducted last 24 hours: 10,653
      Tests conducted last 7 days: 46,912
      Additional positive tests: 122
      Positivity Rate last 7 days: 1.2% (-0.2%)

      Where do you find this info? Interesting discrepancy between the swab tests and our official numbers. (I Know some of these are repeat testing on the same person)


    • #2383
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      On the debate about seroprevalence.

      It's very frustrating that we cannot know if someone has been exposed to the virus or not, as antibodies do not seem to persist and no cheap and reliable way of T cell testing.

      Are we relying then on clinical reporting as a measure of population exposure?

      There must be some way of using statistics to determine how far the virus has moved through a population?


    • #2384
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      caveat emptor wrote: »
      Yeah it’s a weird area. Presympromatic spread is real (as it is in the flu). Asymptomatic spread is also real.

      https://twitter.com/alinouriphd/status/1294421640735072259?s=21

      Some of this list may not apply to a lot of Irish people though. List cross immunity from other coronaviruses. Genetic factors - I presume something like this might mean a baby born to a mother who has the virus or something like that. I remember a report from a few months ago saying something like it's estimated that 8% of Europeans might have some immunity or genetic component in their make up that will protect them. 8% is very low.

      As more people move about and when pubs and schools reopen, many people will probably make up their own rules on the guidelines and viral loads will probably increase.


    • #2385
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      We are bucking the trend. Let's see if it holds.
      Great to see localised lockdown seems to be working.

      523064.jpg


    • #2386
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      igCorcaigh wrote: »
      On the debate about seroprevalence.

      It's very frustrating that we cannot know if someone has been exposed to the virus or not, as antibodies do not seem to persist and no no cheap and reliable way of T cell testing.

      Are we relying then on clinical reporting as a measure of population exposure?

      There must be some way of using statistics to determine how far the virus has moved through a population?
      How much would T cell testing be? There were reports here from people being ill before this emerged and people suspecting they may already have this. If its a few hundred euro, one could pay the money to find out. For medical and science research. If I was ill last winter and suspect I had it, I would go down the private route and test, just to see.


    • #2387
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      BLIZZARD7 wrote: »
      Where do you find this info? Interesting discrepancy between the swab tests and our official numbers. (I Know some of these are repeat testing on the same person)

      The hse covid dashboard


    • #2388
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      owlbethere wrote: »
      How much would T cell testing be? There were reports here from people being ill before this emerged and people suspecting they may already have this. If its a few hundred euro, one could pay the money to find out. For medical and science research. If I was ill last winter and suspect I had it, I would go down the private route and test, just to see.

      It would have to be done at a significant population level, and even then, is it conclusive of exposure?


    • #2389
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      1641 wrote: »
      So not just Ireland and not just NEPHET? Amateurish, unscientific, unqualified, people everywhere then?


      Sounds like, if we are ever to find out what is really going on, you guys will have to proffer your services?:D

      I know what this sounds like. I'm not that stupid. But some stuff I would really like an explanation for. It just doesn't add up.


    • #2390
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      caveat emptor wrote: »
      We are bucking the trend. Let's see if it holds.
      Great to see localised lockdown seems to be working.

      523064.jpg

      Netherlands going with a fair steady climb there, wonder whats driving that?


    • #2391
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      I just want this idea of the virus being around for many months before it spread from Chinina to be tested. It's a nagging idea in the back of my mind.

      I know many have dismissed it, as I have done.

      Surely, we would have picked up on illness and deaths back in late winter last year?

      But, I dunno. The idea still is still nagging me.


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      igCorcaigh wrote: »
      It would have to be done at a significant population level, and even then, is it conclusive of exposure?

      Well maybe the authorities can start of small on this. Maybe put out a request for people who were ill last winter who might like to test their t cells to see if they were exposed to this virus. Depending, on the results that they find from a group of people, and if results show a positive, they could start implementing more testing of the population.


    • #2393
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      prunudo wrote: »
      Netherlands going with a fair steady climb there, wonder whats driving that?

      They're not taking the measures we are. No masks, little social distancing etc.


    • #2394
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      igCorcaigh wrote: »
      I just want this idea of the virus being around for many months before it spread from Chinina to be tested. It's a nagging idea in the back of my mind.

      I know many have dismissed it, as I have done.

      Surely, we would have picked up on illness and deaths back in late winter last year?

      But, I dunno. The idea still is still nagging me.
      In early days of testing DeGascun more than once said people had other things. There seems to be evidence of it in a case in France in December and in waste water earlier but it doesn't look like it was spreading then.


    • #2395
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      owlbethere wrote: »
      Well maybe the authorities can start of small on this. Maybe put out a request for people who were ill last winter who might like to test their t cells to see if they were exposed to this virus. Depending, on the results that they find from a group of people, and if results show a positive, they could start implementing more testing of the population.

      Not sure if that's practical or cost effective at a time when we're trying to contain the thing.


    • #2396
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      igCorcaigh wrote: »
      I just want this idea of the virus being around for many months before it spread from Chinina to be tested. It's a nagging idea in the back of my mind.

      I know many have dismissed it, as I have done.

      Surely, we would have picked up on illness and deaths back in late winter last year?

      But, I dunno. The idea still is still nagging me.
      There are doctors in the CUH who believe it has been here since October and have treated people with similar symptoms since then.


    • #2397
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      ACitizenErased wrote: »
      There are doctors in the CUH who believe it has been here since October and have treated people with similar symptoms since then.
      Yeah but some of the symptoms are common to other illnesses.


    • #2398
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      is_that_so wrote: »
      Yeah but some of the symptoms are common to other illnesses.
      I'm fairly certain a doctor can tell the difference between COVID and other illnesses if the whole 'its nothing like the flu' story is true.


    • #2399
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      igCorcaigh wrote: »
      I just want this idea of the virus being around for many months before it spread from Chinina to be tested. It's a nagging idea in the back of my mind.

      I know many have dismissed it, as I have done.

      Surely, we would have picked up on illness and deaths back in late winter last year?

      But, I dunno. The idea still is still nagging me.

      Have a relative who got a bad dose back at the start of the year and still having problems with pain breathing etc. Doctors don't know what it was and I wouldnt be surprised if it was covid


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      Whats the story with the numbers today?


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    • #2401
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      ACitizenErased wrote: »
      I'm fairly certain a doctor can tell the difference between COVID and other illnesses if the whole 'its nothing like the flu' story is true.
      Maybe they can but thinking it's the case and being able to prove it are very different things, Evidence is lacking on that early occurrence of it.


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