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  • #8222
    GT89
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,770 ✭✭✭GT89


    No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend
    odyssey06 wrote: »
    Did the family member spontaneously evolve the virus?
    They picked it up somewhere.
    Among the places they could have picked it up are shops and public transport, i.e. enclosed public places where they interact with what other random members of the public have exhaled.
    Are those places less risk than pubs etc? Sure. But people can choose not to go to the pub. We can't have a functioning society without shops and public transport.

    It's whatever going around in their schools, colleges or workplaces generally. I'm sure it's possible to pick something up in a supermarket or on public transport but less likely than in a school, workplace or anywhere where you are going to be in close proximity with people for a LONG period of time.
    We don't really know how many people have it, as we haven't done the extensive testing.
    And low is still too high.

    By that logic it couldn't be as serious as the fear mongers would have you believe as those people who didn't know they had it would be either be dead or permanently incapacitated. If that's the case why were the hospitals not overwhelmed?


  • #8223
    joeguevara
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,255 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    GT89 wrote: »
    It's whatever going around in their schools, colleges or workplaces generally. I'm sure it's possible to pick something up in a supermarket or on public transport but less likely than in a school, workplace or anywhere where you are going to be in close proximity with people for a LONG period of time.



    By that logic it couldn't be as serious as the fear mongers would have you believe as those people who didn't know they had it would be either be dead or permanently incapacitated. If that's the case why were the hospitals not overwhelmed?

    We were in lockdown.

    Now most are wearing masks.


  • #8224
    robinph
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    No: I don't care enough
    GT89 wrote: »
    By that logic it couldn't be as serious as the fear mongers would have you believe as those people who didn't know they had it would be either be dead or permanently incapacitated. If that's the case why were the hospitals not overwhelmed?

    A country with zero cases in the community for over three months has just gone back to imposing various levels of restrictions again after a family has become infected and ill. How many people were carrying the virus before that family caught it badly enough to be symtomatic that they then got a test?
    Other people who that family encountered since becoming infected have also since tested positive. How far has it travelled before being detected and can they get it back under control before anyone in an at risk category catches it? Has that person already caught it and just doesn't know it yet?

    But maybe it's all nothing to worry about because it didn't get you yet.


  • #8225
    growleaves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,023 ✭✭✭growleaves




  • #8226
    xhomelezz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,291 ✭✭✭xhomelezz


    Yes: valved
    Article on zero covid approach. To me sounds much better than what's happening now..

    https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/news/ireland-sleep-walking-toward-major-coronavirus-outbreak-unless-theres-a-radical-strategy-change-expert-warns-39449741.html


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  • #8227
    MadYaker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,351 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    Yes: surgical
    robinph wrote: »
    A country with zero cases in the community for over three months has just gone back to imposing various levels of restrictions again after a family has become infected and ill. How many people were carrying the virus before that family caught it badly enough to be symtomatic that they then got a test?
    Other people who that family encountered since becoming infected have also since tested positive. How far has it travelled before being detected and can they get it back under control before anyone in an at risk category catches it? Has that person already caught it and just doesn't know it yet?

    But maybe it's all nothing to worry about because it didn't get you yet.

    I have a suspicion that this event is just too big and complicated for some people to comprehend and as a result the guidelines and restrictions seem mental. I was trying to explain asymptomatic transmission to a guy in work yesterday who was wondering why we still have to wear masks all the time and he just wasn’t getting it.


  • #8228
    RoYoBo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 856 ✭✭✭RoYoBo


    Yes: valved
    MadYaker wrote: »
    I have a suspicion that this event is just too big and complicated for some people to comprehend and as a result the guidelines and restrictions seem mental. I was trying to explain asymptomatic transmission to a guy in work yesterday who was wondering why we still have to wear masks all the time and he just wasn’t getting it.

    Similar experiences here. There are some who just cannot believe that, in the absence of people dropping dead in the streets around them, the virus actually exists and represents any kind of threat to them.

    This Doubting Thomas effect extends to their perception of the rest of the country and the world, where a conspiracy theory is simpler and easier to absorb. Therefore, all the restrictions and precautions can be dismissed out of hand and no further analytical thought need apply.


  • #8229
    yosemitesam1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,092 ✭✭✭yosemitesam1


    xhomelezz wrote: »
    Article on zero covid approach. To me sounds much better than what's happening now..

    https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/news/ireland-sleep-walking-toward-major-coronavirus-outbreak-unless-theres-a-radical-strategy-change-expert-warns-39449741.html

    Can't be done. Covid is an established part of our populations virome for months now.
    It can't be eradicated by the actions that he mentions.
    It is scary how many of these clinical experts believe that it can be eradicated.
    It will pop up all over the country when it's preferred conditions arise at some stage through the winter.


  • #8230
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    Yes: valved
    Anyone else sick of the HSE and their advice?

    Go on about social distancing and hand washing which businesses are meant to be following.

    Put a few stickers on the floor, hand sanitizers at entrances and that's all that is required of other places without mandatory masks.

    I took up a job and I'm putting myself at risk working in a place that they didn't make masks mandatory. I don't know what to do, not much happened with my complaint to the HSA. I had someone stand over me without a face mask yesterday and now that I have a job, I can't leave and get social welfare. This workplace is causing me a huge amount of stress and I'm only there a week.

    Am I thick or something but the virus leaves the mouth and nose, is there something I don't understand with the HSE? Looks like their main goal is killing off as much people as possible.


  • #8231
    Galwayguy35
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,297 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    Was in Aldi today and the only crowd not wearing them were the ethnic minority, waited to see would anything be said but not a word from the cashier when they went to pay for the slab of Galahad.

    Rules the rest of have to follow don't apply to them as usual.


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  • #8232
    shaveAbullock
    Closed Accounts Posts: 965 ✭✭✭shaveAbullock


    Yes: homemade
    Galwayguy35 wrote: »
    Was in Aldi today and the only crowd not wearing them were the ethnic minority, waited to see would anything be said but not a word from the cashier when they went to pay for the slab of Galahad.

    Rules the rest of have to follow don't apply to them as usual.

    Who exactly? The Indian and Pakistani's in my town have been adhering to it.


  • #8233
    Galwayguy35
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,297 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    shaveAbullock wrote: »
    Who exactly? The Indian and Pakistani's in my town have been adhering to it.

    Surprised you don't know who the ethnic minority are.

    Travellers FYI


  • #8234
    shaveAbullock
    Closed Accounts Posts: 965 ✭✭✭shaveAbullock


    Yes: homemade
    Galwayguy35 wrote: »
    Surprised you don't know who the ethnic minority are.

    Travellers FYI

    Are they currently the only one in Ireland?
    I wouldn't paint them all with the same brush.

    Also I don't believe it's up to the staff in a business to enforce this.
    Did you have a word with them?


  • #8235
    Galwayguy35
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,297 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    shaveAbullock wrote: »
    Are they currently the only one in Ireland?
    I wouldn't paint them all with the same brush.

    Also I don't believe it's up to the staff in a business to enforce this.
    Did you have a word with them?

    Why would I have a word with them?

    I don't own the shop.


  • #8236
    shaveAbullock
    Closed Accounts Posts: 965 ✭✭✭shaveAbullock


    Yes: homemade
    Galwayguy35 wrote: »
    Why would I have a word with them?

    I don't own the shop.

    Presumably nether does the cashier


  • #8237
    Galwayguy35
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,297 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    shaveAbullock wrote: »
    Presumably nether does the cashier

    No but we are all being told we have to wear them, something I'm not too happy about but I was doing it because I thought we had to do it, today I saw that isn't the case.


  • #8238
    twirlagig
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,375 ✭✭✭twirlagig


    Galwayguy35 wrote: »
    Why would I have a word with them?

    I don't own the shop.

    It IS maddening though. 4 of them went into a shop near me and not one mask among them all, when questioned about same, the answer was ‘we have medical conditions’... (all of ye, like?)
    Ok, if that is the actual case - but why can’t just one go into the shop and the rest remain outside? No need for them all to go in


  • #8239
    shaveAbullock
    Closed Accounts Posts: 965 ✭✭✭shaveAbullock


    Yes: homemade
    Galwayguy35 wrote: »
    No but we are all being told we have to wear them, something I'm not too happy about but I was doing it because I thought we had to do it, today I saw that isn't the case.

    I was told driving above the speed limit was illegal.
    You can imagine my surprise when I see some people not adhering to it.


  • #8240
    Galwayguy35
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,297 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    shaveAbullock wrote: »
    I was told driving above the speed limit was illegal.
    You can imagine my surprise when I see some people not adhering to it.

    Not a great analogy there, better luck next time.


  • #8241
    shaveAbullock
    Closed Accounts Posts: 965 ✭✭✭shaveAbullock


    Yes: homemade
    Galwayguy35 wrote: »
    Not a great analogy there, better luck next time.

    Then come up with a better one. Name a law that is never broken or is enforced 100% of the time?


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  • #8242
    timetogo1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 892 ✭✭✭timetogo1


    No: I don't care enough
    shaveAbullock wrote: »
    Then come up with a better one. Name a law that is never broken or is enforced 100% of the time?

    Walk into a shop smoking a cigarette.


  • #8243
    shaveAbullock
    Closed Accounts Posts: 965 ✭✭✭shaveAbullock


    Yes: homemade
    timetogo1 wrote: »
    Walk into a shop smoking a cigarette.

    A shop could be a challenge but I do know pubs where I can ( when they were open )

    Edit: Actually I just remembered that some of these pubs are open for business and do not serve food.


  • #8244
    GT89
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,770 ✭✭✭GT89


    No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend
    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    Anyone else sick of the HSE and their advice?

    Go on about social distancing and hand washing which businesses are meant to be following.

    Put a few stickers on the floor, hand sanitizers at entrances and that's all that is required of other places without mandatory masks.

    I took up a job and I'm putting myself at risk working in a place that they didn't make masks mandatory. I don't know what to do, not much happened with my complaint to the HSA. I had someone stand over me without a face mask yesterday and now that I have a job, I can't leave and get social welfare. This workplace is causing me a huge amount of stress and I'm only there a week.

    Am I thick or something but the virus leaves the mouth and nose, is there something I don't understand with the HSE? Looks like their main goal is killing off as much people as possible.

    If your that anal about it then leave


  • #8245
    shaveAbullock
    Closed Accounts Posts: 965 ✭✭✭shaveAbullock


    Yes: homemade
    GT89 wrote: »
    If your that anal about it then leave

    €0 a week seems a bit low for a living income.


  • #8246
    MEGA BRO WOLF 5000
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,784 ✭✭✭✭MEGA BRO WOLF 5000


    No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend
    shaveAbullock wrote: »
    Then come up with a better one. Name a law that is never broken or is enforced 100% of the time?

    It’s a brilliant analogy.

    Not wearing a mask in a shop is like someone driving 61 in a 60mph zone. The reason you don’t absolutely lose your mind with the driver is because you don’t have 24/7 news/social media telling you how much of a terrible human being you are for going over the speed limit. I said it before and I’ll say it again, if you’re vulnerable or are in close contact with people are vulnerable feel free to wear a mask, please let the rest of us get on with life.


  • #8247
    John O.Groats
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 837 ✭✭✭John O.Groats


    Yes: surgical
    Hunky Monster wrote: »
    It’s a brilliant analogy.

    Not wearing a mask in a shop is like someone driving 61 in a 60mph zone. The reason you don’t absolutely lose your mind with the driver is because you don’t have 24/7 news/social media telling you how much of a terrible human being you are for going over the speed limit. I said it before and I’ll say it again, if you’re vulnerable or are in close contact with people are vulnerable feel free to wear a mask, please let the rest of us get on with life.

    So are you still refusing to wear a mask in retail shops and on public transport despite it now being mandatory because of some off the wall notion of it being a form of "control"?


  • #8248
    GT89
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,770 ✭✭✭GT89


    No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend
    Hunky Monster wrote: »
    It’s a brilliant analogy.

    Not wearing a mask in a shop is like someone driving 61 in a 60mph zone. The reason you don’t absolutely lose your mind with the driver is because you don’t have 24/7 news/social media telling you how much of a terrible human being you are for going over the speed limit. I said it before and I’ll say it again, if you’re vulnerable or are in close contact with people are vulnerable feel free to wear a mask, please let the rest of us get on with life.

    If you don't wear your worse than a murderer or a rapist in some of these people's eyes.


  • #8249
    extra gravy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,281 ✭✭✭✭extra gravy


    Hunky Monster wrote: »
    It’s a brilliant analogy.

    Not wearing a mask in a shop is like someone driving 61 in a 60mph zone. The reason you don’t absolutely lose your mind with the driver is because you don’t have 24/7 news/social media telling you how much of a terrible human being you are for going over the speed limit. I said it before and I’ll say it again, if you’re vulnerable or are in close contact with people are vulnerable feel free to wear a mask, please let the rest of us get on with life.

    How exactly does wearing a mask prevent you from getting on with your life? The amount of whining from grown men over such a mild inconvenience is pathetic.


  • #8250
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    Yes: valved
    Hunky Monster wrote: »
    It’s a brilliant analogy.

    Not wearing a mask in a shop is like someone driving 61 in a 60mph zone. The reason you don’t absolutely lose your mind with the driver is because you don’t have 24/7 news/social media telling you how much of a terrible human being you are for going over the speed limit. I said it before and I’ll say it again, if you’re vulnerable or are in close contact with people are vulnerable feel free to wear a mask, please let the rest of us get on with life.

    Seriously get on with life? We all want to get on with life and that means wearing masks. With asymptomatic and pre-symtomatic spread, you don't know if you have the virus.

    You don't need to be around any vulnerable person at all. You can breathe out small viral particles that can linger in the air and infect someone hours later. Just think about that while you carry on as normal.


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  • #8251
    GT89
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,770 ✭✭✭GT89


    No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend
    extra gravy wrote: »
    How exactly does wearing a mask prevent you from getting on with your life? The amount of whining from grown men over such a mild inconvenience is pathetic.

    It's not a minor inconvenience if your work requires it. Do you speak for everyone now?


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