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  • #8192
    GT89
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,770 ✭✭✭GT89


    No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend
    How much asymptomatic spread is actually going on in reality. How many people are actually contracting CV19 from going to the supermarket or travelling on public transport my best guess is very few.


  • #8193
    dwayneshintzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,343 ✭✭✭dwayneshintzy


    Yes: to protect myself and others
    GT89 wrote: »
    How much asymptomatic spread is actually going on in reality. How many people are actually contracting CV19 from going to the supermarket or travelling on public transport my best guess is very few.
    Quite a significant amount, according to many studies on this issue


  • #8194
    robinph
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    No: I don't care enough
    GT89 wrote: »
    How much asymptomatic spread is actually going on in reality. How many people are actually contracting CV19 from going to the supermarket or travelling on public transport my best guess is very few.

    Well New Zealand has just gone back into lockdown 100+ days after the previous person with known symptoms was out in the community.

    Now its possible that whoever these new cases caught it from had symptoms but only very mild and just kept quiet, but there could be a chain of several people without symptoms who passed it along until this family caught it as unlikely one person had it for the whole duration without knowing and not passing it on to anyone else along the way.


  • #8195
    SnrInfant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86 ✭✭SnrInfant


    Yes: to protect others
    My 8 and 10 year olds were stopped going into a shop yesterday for not wearing a mask.
    I said they are under 12 and it’s not mandatory for them to wear one.
    The lady said it’s mandatory in the shop for everyone to wear them!
    Is this right?


  • #8196
    joeguevara
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,255 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    SnrInfant wrote: »
    My 8 and 10 year olds were stopped going into a shop yesterday for not wearing a mask.
    I said they are under 12 and it’s not mandatory for them to wear one.
    The lady said it’s mandatory in the shop for everyone to wear them!
    Is this right?

    Law states under 13. However each shop's own policy can state everyone has to wear them.


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  • #8197
    robinph
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    No: I don't care enough
    It's not required for them to wear a mask, but it's also not required for a shop to let you in if they don't want to.


  • #8198
    SnrInfant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86 ✭✭SnrInfant


    Yes: to protect others
    Good to know, I have no problem with them wearing one at all, just didn’t have one at the time. Thanks 😊


  • #8199
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,047 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    SnrInfant wrote: »
    My 8 and 10 year olds were stopped going into a shop yesterday for not wearing a mask.
    I said they are under 12 and it’s not mandatory for them to wear one.
    The lady said it’s mandatory in the shop for everyone to wear them!
    Is this right?

    I see three-year-olds wearing masks every day.. I really don't get the problem with children wearing them or why it isn't mandatory.


  • #8200
    robinph
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    No: I don't care enough
    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    I see three-year-olds wearing masks every day.. I really don't get the problem with children wearing them or why it isn't mandatory.

    Mostly because some parents are stupid and will end up with a baby choking on a mask after being left alone with it.


  • #8201
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,237 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    Yes: homemade
    Deleted User wrote: »
    I see three-year-olds wearing masks every day.. I really don't get the problem with children wearing them or why it isn't mandatory.

    And, like me, have you seen smaller children constantly fingering their masks and pulling at them?


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  • #8202
    robinph
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    No: I don't care enough
    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    And, like me, have you seen smaller children constantly fingering their masks and pulling at them?

    A bit more than other people, but we're not talking about having people going to work in sterile operating theatre environments. It's still just about slowing the spread from the mask wearer and having a dirty mask, scratching your nose, adjusting the mask a bit, putting it in your pocket after leaving the shop or hanging it from the mirror in your car doesn't change the effectiveness of the mask in stopping your breath getting spread far and wide.


  • #8203
    GT89
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,770 ✭✭✭GT89


    No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend
    joeguevara wrote: »
    Law states under 13. However each shop's own policy can state everyone has to wear them.

    Shop policies also cannot be anyway deemed discriminatory


  • #8204
    GT89
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,770 ✭✭✭GT89


    No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend
    dwayneshintzy wrote: »
    Quite a significant amount, according to many studies on this issue

    Most of the outbreaks are in places where people are in close contact for long periods of time such as schools, hospitals, nursing, factories or events like concerts, football matches etc. Then people who pick it up in those places are likely passing it on to family members. I would say the amount of covid spreading in shops or on piblic transport is slim to none.


  • #8205
    joeguevara
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,255 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    GT89 wrote: »
    Shop policies also cannot be anyway deemed discriminatory

    Its not discriminatory requiring everyone to do something. Appropriate evidence required to demonstrate why an exemption should exist. Kerbside shopping or providing online shopping wouldn't be considered discriminatory.


  • #8206
    robinph
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    No: I don't care enough
    GT89 wrote: »
    I would say the amount of covid spreading in shops or on piblic transport is slim to none.

    Yes, but other people do work there as well.

    If getting people to wear masks when going to Tescos can keep people thinking about Covid when they go for their coffee break at work and then not sit too close to each other then it's having an effect. If people have their masks about their person so that they can pick up something for dinner from the shop on the way home after work, then maybe they will think to stick the mask on when they go and sit in a small office with 5 other people for a 45 minute long meeting.

    Wearing it in the shop may have limited impact on the spread directly, but keeping the awareness in peoples minds so that they don't relax in other situations is also a side benefit from wearing masks to the shops.


  • #8207
    Tork
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,631 ✭✭✭Tork


    Yes: to protect others
    GT89 wrote: »
    Most of the outbreaks are in places where people are in close contact for long periods of time such as schools, hospitals, nursing, factories or events like concerts, football matches etc. Then people who pick it up in those places are likely passing it on to family members. I would say the amount of covid spreading in shops or on piblic transport is slim to none.

    So nobody who works in a meat factory ever goes into a shop? Nor do the people they live with? I see.


  • #8208
    GT89
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,770 ✭✭✭GT89


    No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend
    Tork wrote: »
    So nobody who works in a meat factory ever goes into a shop? Nor do the people they live with? I see.

    Obivously they do but how likely are to spread it once they get into a shop?


  • #8209
    Tork
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,631 ✭✭✭Tork


    Yes: to protect others
    If they're wearing a mask, the chances are lessened.


  • #8210
    GT89
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,770 ✭✭✭GT89


    No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend
    robinph wrote: »
    Yes, but other people do work there as well.

    If getting people to wear masks when going to Tescos can keep people thinking about Covid when they go for their coffee break at work and then not sit too close to each other then it's having an effect. If people have their masks about their person so that they can pick up something for dinner from the shop on the way home after work, then maybe they will think to stick the mask on when they go and sit in a small office with 5 other people for a 45 minute long meeting.

    Wearing it in the shop may have limited impact on the spread directly, but keeping the awareness in peoples minds so that they don't relax in other situations is also a side benefit from wearing masks to the shops.

    So it's not about reducing the spread but about changing peoples behaviour


  • #8211
    joeguevara
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,255 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    GT89 wrote: »
    Obivously they do but how likely are to spread it once they get into a shop?

    People in all of those places like factories should wear masks. It would mean that transmission would be so much less. And where do you think people in factories get the virus in the first place? Could it be they picked it up in a shop?


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  • #8212
    GT89
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,770 ✭✭✭GT89


    No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend
    Tork wrote: »
    If they're wearing a mask, the chances are lessened.

    The chances are slim anyway


  • #8213
    Tork
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,631 ✭✭✭Tork


    Yes: to protect others
    GT89 wrote: »
    The chances are slim anyway
    Are you still refusing to wear a mask in your job?


  • #8214
    ginoginelli
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,332 ✭✭✭ginoginelli


    Yes: surgical
    This under 13 no mask for kids is ridiculous. The evidence show from 10 they transmit at least as easily as adults. Kids are much smarter than people give them credit for, and are probably better at adapting than adults. I see loads of responible parents with young kids 5 or 6, and they are wearing masks without any bother.

    The age limit really should be lowered. Or at least encourage kids under 13 to wear if they can, instead of this blanket exemption policy the gov have ran with.


  • #8215
    odyssey06
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,069 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    GT89 wrote: »
    Most of the outbreaks are in places where people are in close contact for long periods of time such as schools, hospitals, nursing, factories or events like concerts, football matches etc. Then people who pick it up in those places are likely passing it on to family members. I would say the amount of covid spreading in shops or on piblic transport is slim to none.

    Public transport? You could be sat in a bus or train for 30 minutes in an enclosed space with someone. Some of the buses and trains don't have windows.
    Previous research on flu suggests those who take public transport were more likely to be exposed to it.

    And it depends what you mean by shops... in a large well ventilated supermarket or a small stuffy corner shop, chemist or clothes shop or book store?

    Also, in factories and schools and most events we know which people have interacted for contact tracing. Buses and shops, we don't.

    The risk of transmission in such environments, balanced against the cost of the measures, well it makes sense to me and the authorities that masks should be used.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • #8216
    odyssey06
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,069 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    GT89 wrote: »
    So it's not about reducing the spread but about changing peoples behaviour

    I don't see how you could read the original post and understand it and make that comment. They clearly and specifically talked about change in behaviour as a side\additional benefit.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • #8217
    GT89
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,770 ✭✭✭GT89


    No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend
    odyssey06 wrote: »
    Public transport? You could be sat in a bus or train for 30 minutes in an enclosed space with someone. Some of the buses and trains don't have windows.
    Previous research on flu suggests those who take public transport were more likely to be exposed to it.

    And it depends what you mean by shops... in a large well ventilated supermarket or a small stuffy corner shop, chemist or clothes shop or book store?

    Also, in factories and schools and most events we know which people have interacted for contact tracing. Buses and shops, we don't.

    The risk of transmission in such environments, balanced against the cost of the measures, well it makes sense to me and the authorities that masks should be used.

    I used to take the bus everyday at rush hour and I was never any sicker than I normally was.


  • #8218
    odyssey06
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,069 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    GT89 wrote: »
    I used to take the bus everyday at rush hour and I was never any sicker than I normally was.

    And I'm sure for every person who says that we can find two who say the opposite.
    Plus, if you're working closely with people who take the bus everyday at rush hour you may as well be on the bus with them.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • #8219
    GT89
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,770 ✭✭✭GT89


    No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend
    odyssey06 wrote: »
    And I'm sure for every person who says that we can find two who say the opposite.
    Plus, if you're working closely with people who take the bus everyday at rush hour you may as well be on the bus with them.

    Most contagious illnesses that I have gotten have been passed on from a family member. Do we all start wearing masks at home now?

    The amount of bus drivers and supermarket staff who have contracted CV19 in Ireland has been very low.


  • #8220
    robinph
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    No: I don't care enough
    GT89 wrote: »
    Most contagious illnesses that I have gotten have been passed on from a family member.

    Where did they get it from?


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  • #8221
    odyssey06
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,069 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    GT89 wrote: »
    Most contagious illnesses that I have gotten have been passed on from a family member. Do we all start wearing masks at home now?

    Did the family member spontaneously evolve the virus?
    They picked it up somewhere.
    Among the places they could have picked it up are shops and public transport, i.e. enclosed public places where they interact with what other random members of the public have exhaled.
    Are those places less risk than pubs etc? Sure. But people can choose not to go to the pub. We can't have a functioning society without shops and public transport.
    The amount of bus drivers and supermarket staff who have contracted CV19 in Ireland has been very low.

    We don't really know how many people have it, as we haven't done the extensive testing.
    And low is still too high.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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