Covid 19 Part XXI-27,908 in ROI (1,777 deaths) 6,647 in NI (559 deaths)(22/08)Read OP

Santy2015 · 13-08-2020 08:12PM

DebDynamite wrote: »

So what is ACE is getting his stats elsewhere? I appreciate the work he does by posting all stats and articles here in one place for me to read.

Gets them from here and the press release uploads daily https://covid19ireland-geohive.hub.arcgis.com/

polesheep · 13-08-2020 08:13PM

lee_baby_simms wrote: »

In the exact same way as every other country in the world? Why are the curves all so similar regardless of measures?

At the end of the day, nothing whatsoever about this virus matters other than the numbers in hospital. And they, as you have said, are insignificant.

road_high · 13-08-2020 08:13PM

The Unbearables wrote: »

It's pure selfishness.

Pure selfishness is moaning about a virus that you think you’re so special that you’re going to die from...and expect everyone else to rearrange their lives to accommodate your hysteria. The solution is simple- stay home if you think that

Goldengirl · 13-08-2020 08:14PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Sorry, I forgot that 40 cases for almost 3.6 million people is unsustainable

I remember a conversation on here about a month ago when it was discussed that if we went up to 30 cases a day with community transmission it would be time to be worried .
So now what number would you find worrying?

podgeandrodge · 13-08-2020 08:16PM

Martina1991 wrote: »

In the past you have said:

So why now do you believe seroprevalence studies.

That is not how I interpreted his posts at all, I think he said they were understating the reality.

Goldengirl · 13-08-2020 08:16PM

niallo27 wrote: »

Hundreds of years of inbreeding as finally paid off.

Let's examine that , could be a potential for antibody transfusion there ...

spookwoman · 13-08-2020 08:19PM

Santy2015 wrote: »

I’m not a statistician. But I assume the majority of the doomsday fear mongering cohort are in well paid cushy jobs that they can also work from home? Lockdown was probably a god send to you lot. Ye don’t engage in debate and hit anyone with a positive viewpoint with stupid gifs and memes. Why can’t ACE or Stephen take the positives out of the data that’s in front of them? I can see it. I listen to Dr Glynn and Professor Nolan. They never come across the way ye all do. They tell it how it is and that’s where 99% of all info comes from is from them and the Covid hub.
There has been outliers the last couple of weeks. We got unlucky and a bit complacent with the meat factories, direct provision clusters. But if they didn’t happen we’d be more then likely be in phase 4, I’d be in my local pub having a few pints watching the match tonight enjoying my time off work. I can tell you this much the industry I work in has been hell for leather since the start of March. I worked my bollocks these past 5 or so months and then for the likes of you wanting all this to kick off ( I actually think you do) again will make the next few months unbearable at work. Not many on here unless your a HCW have to wear a face mask or covering for more then 8 hours a day. I can’t work from home neither can my wife as she’s an essential worker on the frontline as well!
I’m going to be positive every f**king day, until this is over!!
ACE and Stephen keep publishing the facts and data and f**k the rest!

Why do assume the doomday people all work from home with lots of money :rolleyes:

Why do the "positive vibe" lot have to call anyone who post what you call "negative" facts doom sayers or doom mongers, and Why can't they post "negative" facts as well.

Just because they copy and paste data from the hub and from other people doesn't make them any more special.

Where has it been said in here that we want it all to kick off again? It hasn't been said and no one wants the numbers to go up but guess what they have and it's not the Fear mongers or Doom and gloom people that are the cause.
If you don't want look at the facts and that includes the bad then don't look at the news or boards or other places that put up the numbers.

DebDynamite · 13-08-2020 08:20PM

deisedevil wrote: »

Your story about the nurses not being able to swab properly in nursing homes is pure bogus anyways. Nurses were swabbing in nursing homes long before there was covid. Same swabbing procedure as flu swabs. Its fair tough on nurses and healthcare workers in nursing homes being labelled as incompetent all the time. I know many, many nurses that moved from private to public nursing homes and all said private nursing homes were run far better and the staff for the most part were far better trained and knowledgable.

Its a shame how nursing home workers are being so badly portrayed. They had it much tougher than most public frontline workers and their jobs continue to be much more difficult than they have been in the past. Your comments are insulting, ignorant and very much ill informed. It's a shame most of the public haven't realised that the many of our healthcare workers in nursing homes are deserving if a lot of the praise being thrown about for frontline heros

Well said. Even things like the signs with “Thank you HSE” and all the praise being heaped upon them irked me a bit.

Healthcare workers in private nursing homes, many of whom are on minimum wage, had to cope with awful things during this pandemic, and they weren’t rewarded with free coffees in shops, or free haircuts. I’ve said it before on here they should be held up as heros much more than a hospital consultant sitting in their office on €200k

polesheep · 13-08-2020 08:22PM

froog wrote: »

i actually took the time to graph the 7 day moving average and helpfully analysed it to show people it is trending up, whilst pointing out the absurdity of picking a tiny section of that trend to show it is trending down.

what have you done?

But in a sense you also picked a tiny section of a graph that started back in March. How would your section look if you showed the entire graph?

Goldengirl · 13-08-2020 08:27PM

spookwoman wrote: »

People are surprised in the increase in numbers? oh please where does it show people are surprised in the numbers no where but anyone who says 92 is not good are doom mongers.
Just because a some health official says oh the numbers will increase, I keep seeing the same meme in my head .

In fairness to Dr Glynn he is being taken out of context by the other poster .
He DID say that cases would increase . However he never said it was nothing to worry about !
Said they were watching it closely and mentioned words like ' concerning ' and 'worrying trends ' , in my recollection .

Jim_Hodge · 13-08-2020 08:29PM

At least the R0 has dropped from 1.8 to 1.6.

Santy2015 · 13-08-2020 08:30PM

spookwoman wrote: »

Why do assume the doomday people all work from home with lots of money :rolleyes:

Why do the "positive vibe" lot have to call anyone who post what you call "negative" facts doom sayers or doom mongers, and Why can't they post "negative" facts as well.

Just because they copy and paste data from the hub and from other people doesn't make them any more special.

Where has it been said in here that we want it all to kick off again? It hasn't been said and no one wants the numbers to go up but guess what they have and it's not the Fear mongers or Doom and gloom people that are the cause.
If you don't want look at the facts and that includes the bad then don't look at the news or boards or other places that put up the numbers.

That’s because ye don’t seem to understand where these cases are coming from? Community transmission is a small proportion now. Hospitalisations are extremely stable. It does look Like a cohort of people here would love another lockdown. Yeah and where do the rest get figures? Same as everyone else.
Likes of myself will never win these debates but I’ll keep posting!

caveat emptor · 13-08-2020 08:37PM

I would like to add the following.
It’s a terrible time if you are a travel writer/blogger.
No amount of wishing if away will work.
Godspeed.

Goldengirl · 13-08-2020 08:39PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Watch this and let us know what you think...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0CQ4nd7gD4

Sorry drunkmomkey , on reading this thought of a news interview a couple of weeks ago when it was announced the pubs were not opening .
Head of Vinters here , on arguing the point that Melbourne , Australia, had not shut down the pubs because it was not believed they contributed to clusters .
Cue next news story , whole state of Victoria closing down and going into lockdown , curfews , only brief daily exercise or essential shopping.
It would have been funnier if it wasn't so serious .

marno21 · 13-08-2020 08:41PM

Intesting table from Gavan Reilly:

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1293967199959494656

Shows the clear logic behind the Laois/Kildare/Offaly lockdown.

Goldengirl · 13-08-2020 08:44PM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Take Care Come Back ACE, your data appreciated

Absolutely, provides balance as do stephenjmcd.

drunkmonkey · 13-08-2020 08:47PM

marno21 wrote: »

Intesting table from Gavan Reilly:

Shows the clear logic behind the Laois/Kildare/Offaly lockdown.

Looks like they left out a county that's been naughty from the start.

podgeandrodge · 13-08-2020 08:48PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Watch this and let us know what you think...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0CQ4nd7gD4

That's very interesting. Esp bit about pubs. Ironic that Govt is still asking people not to have house parties but kicking people out of pubs at 11pm when they haven't been proven to be an issue.

podgeandrodge · 13-08-2020 08:49PM

seamus wrote: »

It's an old wives' tale that air conditioning causes diseases to circulate around.

Most commercial/industrial HVAC filters out particulate, making the air cleaner than what you're breathing out.

The main issue comes from the fact that conditioned air is very dry, which can make your airways more susceptible to infection.

Recirculated air in a cinema though generally doesn't recirculate any pathogens in the air, especially if it's a decent modern cinema.

As said above, you're probably safer in a cinema than a restaurant.

Not convinced that it's an old wives tale, unless the European CDC are old wives

ECDC in June:

"Air flow generated by air-conditioning units may facilitate the spread of droplets excreted by infected people longer distances within indoor spaces."

podgeandrodge · 13-08-2020 08:50PM

Psychiatric Patrick wrote: »

I actually had not considered that there no rush in going in the first couple of weeks.

With the exception of two, all responses have been helpful. I'm still 50/50 about it but I feel better having asked and knowing that I'm not over reacting by thinking about it.

You mentioned originally that your concern was your elderly mother and your sisters kids. Are you living with your mother? Or with your sisters kids? You should make a decision based on your perception of the risk and how good you've heard the movie is!

spookwoman · 13-08-2020 08:56PM

Santy2015 wrote: »

That’s because ye don’t seem to understand where these cases are coming from? Community transmission is a small proportion now.

And you don't know where they are coming from either and what the real number is. We already know that there are people presenting to GP's with symptoms who are refusing to get tested.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/coronavirus-worrying-trend-of-symptomatic-people-refusing-covid-19-tests-1.4304542
We also have people who won't even go to the GP or ask for a test when they have the symptoms and only will do so when they need treatment.

Santy2015 wrote: »

Hospitalisations are extremely stable.

It is great that hospitals are stable and i hope they stay that way.

Santy2015 wrote: »

It does look Like a cohort of people here would love another lockdown. Yeah and where do the rest get figures? Same as everyone else.
Likes of myself will never win these debates but I’ll keep posting!

Show me posts that shows people would love another lockdown, go on put them up.
I know most of those that post stats get their data direct from Gov.ie or link directly to the tweet and if not they say who the data came from if off twitter.
Many even create their own spreadsheets for averages.

Santy2015 · 13-08-2020 09:05PM

spookwoman wrote: »

And you don't know where they are coming from either and what the real number is. We already know that there are people presenting to GP's with symptoms who are refusing to get tested.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/coronavirus-worrying-trend-of-symptomatic-people-refusing-covid-19-tests-1.4304542
We also have people who won't even go to the GP or ask for a test when they have the symptoms and only will do so when they need treatment.

It is great that hospitals are stable and i hope they stay that way.

Show me posts that shows people would love another lockdown, go on put them up.
I know most of those that post stats get their data direct from Gov.ie or link directly to the tweet and if not they say who the data came from if off twitter.
Many even create their own spreadsheets for averages.

And do you know why some people won’t go for the test? Because they’re worried about their livelihoods. Obviously some are scrots.
I’m not going back through hundreds of posts to see who has or has not said they wanted a lockdown but they are there.

spookwoman · 13-08-2020 09:11PM

Santy2015 wrote: »

And do you know why some people won’t go for the test? Because they’re worried about their livelihoods. Obviously some are scrots.
I’m not going back through hundreds of posts to see who has or has not said they wanted a lockdown but they are there.

Anyone who refuses to go for a test is a scrot and may well be endangering other lives.
If one of the "doom mongers" posted something that did not fit someone's narrative proof would be demand so only right you should also have to prove people want a lockdown or else it's just the usual blame everyone else.

drunkmonkey · 13-08-2020 09:13PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

Sorry drunkmomkey , on reading this thought of a news interview a couple of weeks ago when it was announced the pubs were not opening .
Head of Vinters here , on arguing the point that Melbourne , Australia, had not shut down the pubs because it was not believed they contributed to clusters .
Cue next news story , whole state of Victoria closing down and going into lockdown , curfews , only brief daily exercise or essential shopping.
It would have been funnier if it wasn't so serious .

Not sure what your trying to say, are the pubs the major vectors in those lockdowns or maybe it's a knee jerk reaction to just shut everything down, it's not any kind of strategy to just keep shutting everything down.
The term using a sledgehammer to crack a nut springs to mind.

ACitizenErased · 13-08-2020 09:13PM

spookwoman wrote: »

Anyone who refuses to go for a test is a scrot and may well be endangering other lives.
If one of the "doom mongers" posted something that did not fit someone's narrative proof would be demand so only right you should also have to prove people want a lockdown or else it's just the usual blame everyone else.

Someone on this thread literally posted 'we need to go back a step or two back now' when the numbers came out, before even reading where they came from. If that isn't dying for a step back, I don't know what is. I know you'll come back with some response somehow turning this on me though, that's what ya do usually.

Tomrota · 13-08-2020 09:13PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Take Kildare and Dublin out of the mix and you've got ~40 cases a day for a population of 5 million, entirely sustainable.

Take out Kildare and Dublin and you’ve about 3 to 3.5 million left in the country. And take into consideration Dublin and Kildare are probably the most densely populated counties too.

Ficheall · 13-08-2020 09:16PM

There's a difference between people wanting us to need a lockdown and people wanting a lockdown if it's needed.

There are definitely some of the latter on the thread, but fortunately we're nowhere near the stage of needing an overall lockdown.

Some people suggest there are posters who want us to need a lockdown, but I haven't seen any evidence of this.

What Username Guidelines · 13-08-2020 09:19PM

Santy2015 wrote: »

And do you know why some people won’t go for the test? Because they’re worried about their livelihoods. Obviously some are scrots.
I’m not going back through hundreds of posts to see who has or has not said they wanted a lockdown but they are there.

Because no one has ever wanted a lockdown to be reimplemented or move back a phase. No one. It’s an easy out when chatting with a “doom monger”. Just like you have an easy out with “sugar coaters” by saying “oh you just wanna go and live your life and you hate the elderly.”

It’s ridiculous that people need to have sides in this debate that are so concrete. You say something positive - sugar coater. Negative - doom monger.

The gas thing is, everyone from both “sides” want the same thing, to get back to some semblance of normality, safely. They just deal with it differently.

ACE says if you take out the day with high numbers we’re ok and he gets hopped on. Plenty of people discount a low day and say stuff like “yeah but it’ll be much higher tomorrow”. They get hopped on.

There a few with very balanced posts on here, no agenda or side and just wanna discuss what’s going on. It’s a shame it can’t be a little less hostile tbh.

Jim_Hodge · 13-08-2020 09:20PM

Santy2015 wrote: »

That’s because ye don’t seem to understand where these cases are coming from? Community transmission is a small proportion now. Hospitalisations are extremely stable. It does look Like a cohort of people here would love another lockdown. Yeah and where do the rest get figures? Same as everyone else.
Likes of myself will never win these debates but I’ll keep posting!

Sorry but where has a group pf people here said they want another lockdown? People may not be seeing too many positives, or be fearful about how this could trend but I haven't seen them enjoying the fact nor calling for a return to the restrictions of March or April. An odd spoof/satirical/trolling post has appeared but where is your cohort?

ACitizenErased · 13-08-2020 09:20PM

I think we need to get the UN involved and sign a peace agreement, an iconic moment in boards history

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