Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - Read OP for Mod Warnings

FintanMcluskey · 12-08-2020 08:13PM

road_high wrote: »

Yes we need a new angle dont we. Seen as it’s killing nobody

It didn't prevent people turning up to work despite testing positive.

An amount of positive cases are uncovered, completely asymptomatic, only due to contact tracing.

road_high · 12-08-2020 08:20PM

John O.Groats wrote: »

If it is as clear as day that he is so incompetent how come he was elected President of the Euro group of finance ministers? Or are they all incompetent too?

Look I’m a core FG voter, never made any secret of it. But paschal Donohoe is solid useless in a crisis.
He’s the bloody finance minister but all he’s done for the past 6 months is follow the Nphet script to the letter and BS about borrowing forever. He doesn’t believe that himself so that must be why he’s been hiding lately. That or he’s been muzzled to not tell the truth. Either is grossly unsatisfactory

Penfailed · 12-08-2020 08:30PM

road_high wrote: »

Yep happy clappy seals. An apt description of those who accept all restrictions with zero analysis or questioning. Deluded themselves there’ll be no consequences to extended economic closures.

You know the financial pain coming down the line is going to be a worldwide thing, yeah? It'll be like an economic pandemic. No one thinks that there will be no consequences to the closures. Even Leo, in his speech to the nation on St. Patrick's night said as much.

completedit · 12-08-2020 08:35PM

Time to just put this to bed and get on with it. Give people back their lives and their futures. Come back to me when the ICU's are overwhelmed and the hospitals collapse.

Where are the horror stories from the USA? SHOCKER! Except for a few or a hundred(in a country of over 300 million) anecdotal stories of despair. Hospitals are places of sadness, grief and turmoil of the best of times. Of course, there will be trying times in the middle of a pandemic where people in the twilight of their lives are vulnerable(as they are with most infections) It's like in Italy.'' OMG Doctors are being forced to play god and decide who lives and who perishes.'' This happens all the time, perhaps not as blatantly as was the case in Lombardy but it happens every day of the week

P.S You won't need to because it won't happen

FintanMcluskey · 12-08-2020 08:47PM

completedit wrote: »

Time to just put this to bed and get on with it. Give people back their lives and their futures. Come back to me when the ICU's are overwhelmed and the hospitals collapse.
Where are the horror stories from the USA? SHOCKER! Except for a few or a hundred(in a country of over 300 million) anecdotal stories of despair. Hospitals are places of sadness, grief and turmoil of the best of times. Of course, there will be trying times in the middle of a pandemic where people in the twilight of their lives are vulnerable(as they are with most infections)

P.S You won't need to because it won't happen

In most cases people died after reaching the end of their natural lives, and happened to contract Covid as well as the other comorbidities they suffered with. Had Covid not turned up they would still have died.

If a vaccine for Covid turns up, vulnerable people with comorbidities will still die at the same rate, it just wont get classified as a Covid death

fr336 · 12-08-2020 08:50PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

In most cases people died after reaching the end of their natural lives, and happened to contract Covid as well as the other comorbidities they suffered with. Had Covid not turned up they would still have died.

If a vaccine for Covid turns up, vulnerable people with comorbidities will still die at the same rate, it just wont get classified as a Covid death

I'm always so relieved when boards posters know so much more than pretty much every government in the world, even one involving Donald trump. Thanks Fintan I'll sleep soundly tonight.

_Kaiser_ · 12-08-2020 08:51PM

As I said in the other thread...

Daily numbers and ever-increasing totals mean nothing. What matters are the number of deaths, hospitalisations, and ICU cases - all of which remain (it seems almost stubbornly for some!) extremely low for a population of 5 million, 6 months later.
I still find it hard to believe that I need to point out that this is a VERY GOOD THING, but yet here we are.

The one thing that IS becoming clear is that Ireland's response to Covid-19 has been massively disproportionate to the level of risk actually posed by the virus. If we'd gotten that right at the start and targeted our efforts towards the most vulnerable (instead of putting them at greater risk), who knows.. we may have saved many of those lives.

completedit · 12-08-2020 08:51PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

In most cases people died after reaching the end of their natural lives, and happened to contract Covid as well as the other comorbidities they suffered with. Had Covid not turned up they would still have died.

If a vaccine for Covid turns up, vulnerable people with comorbidities will still die at the same rate, it just wont get classified as a Covid death

Death is extremely sad but the great leveler. It will happen to us all. We all wish we could have that poetic departure in idyllic surroundings, whatever they may be. But, no matter what, death will happen. It just happens. There is no good way or time to die. I said goodbye to my own mum in our home in my arms, my dad in a hospital bed. Both were in equal measure, emotive beautifully tragic moments. My point is we cannot stave it off, it is inevitable and a virus to me seems to be one of the most natural ways to go. I felt absolutely heartbroken looking at those coffins from Italy, that was a tragedy. My only problem with my point of view is that the way those people were laid to rest was not right. Perhaps, rather than shut down whole economies and destroying entire generations lives in the process, we should try to figure out how to give people who breathe their last breath throughout this pandemic, a more fitting and humane send off.

fr336 · 12-08-2020 08:54PM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

As I said in the other thread...

Daily numbers and ever-increasing totals mean nothing. What matters are the number of deaths, hospitalisations, and ICU cases - all of which remain (it seems almost stubbornly for some!) extremely low for a population of 5 million, 6 months later.
I still find it hard to believe that I need to point out that this is a VERY GOOD THING, but yet here we are.

The one thing that IS becoming clear is that Ireland's response to Covid-19 has been massively disproportionate to the level of risk actually posed by the virus. If we'd gotten that right at the start and targeted our efforts towards the most vulnerable (instead of putting them at greater risk), who knows.. we may have saved many of those lives.

I can't keep up sometimes. I thought most covid deaths were those on their way out anyway?

fr336 · 12-08-2020 08:56PM

completedit wrote: »

Death is extremely sad but the great leveler. It will happen to us all. We all wish we could have that poetic departure in idyllic surroundings, whatever they may be. But, no matter what, death will happen. It just happens. There is no good way or time to die. I said goodbye to my own mum in our home in my arms, my dad in a hospital bed. Both were in equal measure, emotive beautifully tragic moments. My point is we cannot stave it off, it is inevitable and a virus to me seems to be one of the most natural ways to go. I felt absolutely heartbroken looking at those coffins from Italy, that was a tragedy. My only problem with my point of view is that the way those people were laid to rest was not right. Perhaps, rather than shut down whole economies, we should try to figure out how to give people who breathe their last breath throughout this pandemic, a more fitting and humane send off.

If I had another 10 or 20 years in me I'd like to stave it off as long as possible. Equally if I was one of the unlucky younger people to die from this I'd be a bit peeved really. I wouldn't like to experiment with covid to see how much it could have done unhindered.

lee_baby_simms · 12-08-2020 08:56PM

fr336 wrote: »

I'm always so relieved when boards posters know so much more than pretty much every government in the world, even one involving Donald trump. Thanks Fintan I'll sleep soundly tonight.

Excess deaths in Ireland this year have In line with previous years albeit most of them concentrated in March and April.

facehugger99 · 12-08-2020 08:56PM

road_high wrote: »

Indeed. The “death tally” must be disappointing for the ghowls in RTE etc
Practically no deaths (and dates and underlying illnesses never mentioned of course) and only a handful in hospital.

A few lads on here not happy either I'd wager.

_Kaiser_ · 12-08-2020 08:57PM

fr336 wrote: »

I can't keep up sometimes. I thought most covid deaths were those on their way out anyway?

That's true. In which case Covid was an accelerant, not a root cause and shouldn't be counted in the overall totals - in which case our total deaths would be even lower.

completedit · 12-08-2020 08:58PM

fr336 wrote: »

If I had another 10 or 20 years in me I'd like to stave it off as long as possible. Equally if I was one of the unlucky younger people to die from this I'd be a bit peeved really. I wouldn't like to experiment with covid to see how much it could have done unhindered.

But the vast vast majority of deaths are people in their latter years. As said previously, people at the end of their natural lives. There is not much time left given the general age of death across human societies in the 21st century given our current scientific knowledge.

Penfailed · 12-08-2020 08:59PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

When did "save lives" become prevent all cases of Covid at all costs.

The vulnerable have died early on with covid, what left is stronger people who are not ill enough to miss work while having Covid.

To justify the hysteria, surely Covid should have health effects that prevent citizen's attending work?

What's left is loads of people (circa 90%), possibly vulnerable, who have yet to come into contact with the virus.

fr336 · 12-08-2020 08:59PM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

That's true. In which case Covid was an accelerant, not a root cause and shouldn't be counted in the overall totals - in which case our total deaths would be even lower.

I thought you said more lives could have been saved had govt focused on the vulnerable and not bothered with a silly lockdown? Now you say people with covid were going to die anyway?

Elmer Blooker · 12-08-2020 09:01PM

lee_baby_simms wrote: »

Well exactly, and for contrast, most people didn't even bat an eyelid at stories like this 2.5 years ago. 50,000 excess deaths that winter.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-5440785/Killer-flu-outbreak-blame-42-spike-deaths.html

That was that awful 'Aussie flu'. I got it and it was a bad, everyone seemed to come down with and it was a case who didn't get it!
Those were the days when people actually got sick and weren't 'asymptomatic'.

_Kaiser_ · 12-08-2020 09:02PM

fr336 wrote: »

I thought you said more lives could have been saved had govt focused on the vulnerable and not bothered with a silly lockdown? Now you say people with covid were going to die anyway?

Everyone dies in the end. It's part of life.

The wider lockdown did very little to prevent that but if we hadn't made massive mistakes in the nursing homes, maybe some of those might have survived a bit longer.

What IS clear is that the risk to the general population is minimal - even if they DO catch it.

Penfailed · 12-08-2020 09:14PM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

As I said in the other thread...

Daily numbers and ever-increasing totals mean nothing. What matters are the number of deaths, hospitalisations, and ICU cases - all of which remain (it seems almost stubbornly for some!) extremely low for a population of 5 million, 6 months later.
I still find it hard to believe that I need to point out that this is a VERY GOOD THING, but yet here we are.

The one thing that IS becoming clear is that Ireland's response to Covid-19 has been massively disproportionate to the level of risk actually posed by the virus. If we'd gotten that right at the start and targeted our efforts towards the most vulnerable (instead of putting them at greater risk), who knows.. we may have saved many of those lives.

According to Fintan, they'd all be dead already anyway *shrugs*

Penfailed · 12-08-2020 09:17PM

facehugger99 wrote: »

A few lads on here not happy either I'd wager.

Really? I don't think anyone on this thread is hoping for a higher death rate.

FintanMcluskey · 12-08-2020 09:19PM

Penfailed wrote: »

What's left is loads of people (circa 90%), possibly vulnerable, who have yet to come into contact with the virus.

No they arent vulnerable thats the point. If they were the death rate wouldnt being staying static while the cases numbers rise

FintanMcluskey · 12-08-2020 09:21PM

Penfailed wrote: »

Really? I don't think anyone on this thread is hoping for a higher death rate.

There is a few that enjoy the finger wagging I told you so approach while feigning concern for those that died.

All the while of course dismissing the suffering cancer patients will endure due to the mismanagement by those in charge

Penfailed · 12-08-2020 09:23PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

No they arent vulnerable thats the point. If they were the death rate wouldnt being staying static while the cases numbers rise

[sarcasm]Ah! Jesus, why haven't the government thought of that?! Here, open up everything! All the vulnerable people are already dead![/sarcasm]

Do you ever reread the stuff you type on here?

Allinall · 12-08-2020 09:24PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

There is a few that enjoy the finger wagging I told you so approach while feigning concern for those that died.

All the while of course dismissing the suffering cancer patients will endure due to the mismanagement by those in charge

I haven’t seen a single post dismissing cancer patients.

Maybe you could show an example?

Penfailed · 12-08-2020 09:26PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

There is a few that enjoy the finger wagging I told you so approach while feigning concern for those that died.

All the while of course dismissing the suffering cancer patients will endure due to the mismanagement by those in charge

That's as may be. I don't think anyone was dismissing the suffering of cancer patients. No one on here, to the best of my knowledge, wants a higher death rate, which is what the OP was implying. You're talking about something completely different.

FintanMcluskey · 12-08-2020 09:26PM

Penfailed wrote: »

[sarcasm]Ah! Jesus, why haven't the government thought of that?! Here, open up everything! All the vulnerable people are already dead![/sarcasm]

Do you ever reread the stuff you type on here?

Are you being sarcastic?

Arghus · 12-08-2020 09:26PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

No they arent vulnerable thats the point. If they were the death rate wouldnt being staying static while the cases numbers rise

They are still vulnerable though. It's predominantly younger people who are now getting infected, who are less vulnerable. That doesn't mean that vulnerable people aren't still vulnerable to the virus. Nothing has changed there.

FintanMcluskey · 12-08-2020 09:29PM

Arghus wrote: »

They are still vulnerable though. It's predominantly younger people who are now getting infected, who are less vulnerable. That doesn't mean that vulnerable people aren't still vulnerable to the virus. Nothing has changed there.

Absolutely.

The vulnerable however, appear to be those with comorbidities.

The best chance of surviving Covid is not to be dying in the 1st place

MadYaker · 12-08-2020 10:02PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Absolutely.

The vulnerable however, appear to be those with comorbidities.

The best chance of surviving Covid is not to be dying in the 1st place

You know young healthy people are dying from this as well right? Not as many but you and others in this thread are talking like it never happens when it absolutely does. There is a % of people who recover but appear to have longer term issues. Mate of mine has this problem. His experience frightened me a bit, I won’t post it here because I’ll be labelled a doom monger. He’s the same as me late 20s and in good shape. Would you really risk it? I’m not sure I would. There are too many unknowns still.

12-08-2020 10:16PM

MadYaker wrote: »

You know young healthy people are dying from this as well right? Not as many but you and others in this thread are talking like it never happens when it absolutely does. There is a % of people who recover but appear to have longer term issues. Mate of mine has this problem. His experience frightened me a bit, I won’t post it here because I’ll be labelled a doom monger. He’s the same as me late 20s and in good shape. Would you really risk it? I’m not sure I would. There are too many unknowns still.

The % of young people dying is incredibly low. People make risk based decisions every day, its far from irrational to not be particularly fearful of this if you are young.

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