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  • #7982
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,643 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Keeping away from people keeps everyone people a whole lot safer.

    Of course it does but as the economy re-opens a certain amount of interaction/closeness is unavoidable for most people.

    For those occasions a mask is appropriate.


  • #7983
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    No: other
    robinph wrote: »
    Because their idiocy directly affects our daily lives, and potentially our life.
    As do drivers on the road but once we're past them we shouldn't care. I'm inclined to think at this stage, that this obsession with others and their behaviour during COVID is one of the mental health side effects. The only people we should care about is ourselves and people we are tasked to care for.


  • #7984
    nthclare
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,315 ✭✭✭nthclare


    Yes: surgical
    Some people take it to extremes alright, I was out rock hopping the other evening.
    Rock hopping is terminology for someone who fishes off rocks and moves along the headland trying different mark's.

    Anyhow there was some guy hiking along the Ballyreen to Doolin route and had a mask on him, I wouldn't mind but there was a cool offshore breeze and he was missing out on good fresh air.

    Some people I suppose know no different.


  • #7985
    odyssey06
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,138 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    Magic.

    I think that post sums up the intellectual and moral bankruptcy of your 'position' on this thread.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • #7986
    McGiver
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,492 ✭✭✭McGiver


    No: I don't care enough
    weldoninhio wrote: »
    Masks help stop the spread “IF” you are infected. If you aren’t infected they are absolutely pointless.
    Smarty pants.

    Influenza virus - estimated 50-75% asymptomatic cases
    Coronavirus - estimated 30-50% asymptomatic cases

    Hide yourself somewhere please, it's embarrassing.


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  • #7987
    Allinall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,346 ✭✭✭Allinall


    is_that_so wrote: »
    As do drivers on the road but once we're past them we shouldn't care. I'm inclined to think at this stage, that this obsession with others and their behaviour during COVID is one of the mental health side effects. The only people we should care about is ourselves and people we are tasked to care for.

    What a selfish attitude.


  • #7988
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend
    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Oh Jesus I just realised all the anti-maskers are going to turn into anti-vaxxers.

    weldoninhio, would you like to grace us with a glimpse of that future? Why are Covid-19 vaccines bad? Pointless? etc. Hit us with it so we know what sort of relentless shlte we should be expecting.

    Where did I mention vaccines?? Good or bad?? The only thing I’d be wary of is any vaccine, be it Covid, Cancer or Flu, rushed to market with unknown side effects.


  • #7989
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,643 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    is_that_so wrote: »
    I'm inclined to think at this stage, that this obsession with others and their behaviour during COVID is one of the mental health side effects.

    I'm inclined to think you don't understand that it's the actions of EVERYONE that is likely to keep the virus spreading.

    The zealots who refuse to take basic precautions aren't just a risk to themselves. If that weren't the case I'd leave it to Darwinism.


  • #7990
    McGiver
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,492 ✭✭✭McGiver


    No: I don't care enough
    Drumroll.

    Conclusion of this thread:
    20% people are just selfish arseholes, ignorants, idiots, deluded or lunatics

    And we can't do anything about it.


  • #7991
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend
    McGiver wrote: »
    Smarty pants.

    Influenza virus - estimated 50-75% asymptomatic cases
    Coronavirus - estimated 30-50% asymptomatic cases

    Hide yourself somewhere please, it's embarrassing.

    As above, you can’t be asymptomatic if you don’t have the virus


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  • #7992
    McGiver
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,492 ✭✭✭McGiver


    No: I don't care enough
    weldoninhio wrote: »
    As above, you can’t be asymptomatic if you don’t have the virus
    And ignore. And reported for trolling.


  • #7993
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    No: other
    Allinall wrote: »
    What a selfish attitude.
    If we are all concerned about protecting ourselves and the people who matter we protect everyone else. It's called personal responsibility.


  • #7994
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    Yes: valved
    weldoninhio wrote: »
    As above, you can’t be asymptomatic if you don’t have the virus

    Being asymptomatic you have the virus but showing no symptoms.


  • #7995
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    No: other
    Graham wrote: »
    I'm inclined to think you don't understand that it's the actions of EVERYONE that is likely to keep the virus spreading.

    The zealots who refuse to take basic precautions aren't just a risk to themselves. If that weren't the case I'd leave it to Darwinism.
    Zealots are always other people, aren't they. To quote Tony H - it's most people doing most things most of the time, it's never EVERYONE.


  • #7996
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend
    McGiver wrote: »
    And ignore. And reported for trolling.

    Facts are “trolling” now?? What a crazy mindset. The odds of having the virus in Ireland are minuscule at the moment. Especially if you aren’t in DP or a meat factory worker.


  • #7997
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,047 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    is_that_so wrote: »
    If we are all concerned about protecting ourselves and the people who matter we protect everyone else. It's called personal responsibility.

    This is literally an argument in favour of masks.


  • #7998
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend
    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    Being asymptomatic you have the virus but showing no symptoms.

    Third time explaining this.

    If. you. don't. have. the. virus. in. the. first. place. it. is. impossible. to. be. asymptomatic.

    :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:


  • #7999
    emaherx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,501 ✭✭✭emaherx


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    Dentist are reporting 50% of people aren't doing that, I think the article isthatso linked to is wrong, you should be breathing through your nose not your mouth to avoid drying it out.
    I know my dentist complimented me before on having a wet mouth as they see a lot of people with dry mouths.

    Could probably add to that, that most people are not being asked to wear a mask constantly, only for a few minuets while they shop so shouldn't be that big an issue. Lots of professionals have needed to wear masks for much longer periods of time for a very long time, doctors, decorators and anyone who has ever worked in any kind of dusty enviroment.

    Who are these dentists? is it reported as a world wide phenomina? or just anecdotal from a small number of practices? I find it hard to beleive its affecting 50% of patients.


  • #8000
    joeguevara
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,255 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    Third time explaining this.

    If. you. don't. have. the. virus. in. the. first. place. it. is. impossible. to. be. asymptomatic.

    :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

    If. you. are .asymptomatic. it. is .impossible. to. know. if .you. have. the. virus..


  • #8001
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,643 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Zealots are always other people, aren't they.

    zealot
    /ˈzɛlət/
    a person who is fanatical and uncompromising in pursuit of their religious, political, or other ideals.

    If that includes following medical/public health advice, so be it.


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  • #8002
    D3V!L
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,713 ✭✭✭D3V!L


    nthclare wrote: »
    Some people take it to extremes alright, I was out rock hopping the other evening.
    Rock hopping is terminology for someone who fishes off rocks and moves along the headland trying different mark's.

    Anyhow there was some guy hiking along the Ballyreen to Doolin route and had a mask on him, I wouldn't mind but there was a cool offshore breeze and he was missing out on good fresh air.

    Some people I suppose know no different.

    Its the same as people driving in their cars with masks and gloves on. Completely clueless :rolleyes:


  • #8003
    John O.Groats
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 837 ✭✭✭John O.Groats


    Yes: surgical
    weldoninhio wrote: »
    Facts are “trolling” now?? What a crazy mindset. The odds of having the virus in Ireland are minuscule at the moment. Especially if you aren’t in DP or a meat factory worker.

    There is no evidence for this at all.


  • #8004
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend
    joeguevara wrote: »
    If. you. are .asymptomatic. it. is .impossible. to. know. if .you. have. the. virus..

    Currently less than 1% of the population have it. I’m willing to go with the over 99% odds that I don’t. Call me crazy. But I like those odds.


  • #8005
    Tork
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,632 ✭✭✭Tork


    Yes: to protect others
    https://www.europeanscientist.com/en/public-health/asymptomatic-coronavirus-cases-carry-similar-amounts-of-the-virus/
    People who test positive for the novel coronavirus (SARS-CoV-2) but never develop symptoms may carry as much of the virus in their nose, throat, and lungs – and for nearly as long – as those with symptoms, according to a new study published on 6 August in JAMA Internal Medicine

    Through mass testing, researchers in South Korea were able to identify both asymptomatic and symptomatic individuals. Those who tested positive remained in isolation at a community treatment centre between March 6 and March 26 in Cheonan, Korea until they tested negative – without the opportunity to spread the virus and during this time – and were continuously monitored during this time.

    The team analyzed samples from 193 symptomatic and 110 asymptomatic people and found that around 30 per cent of those infected with the coronavirus never develop symptoms but are more than likely still spreading the virus. This is in keeping with 40 per cent figure quoted by Dr Anthony Fauci, director of the US National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, last week in a television interview. However, scientists are still unable to say how many, if any, of these silent carriers will actually pass on the virus.

    Interestingly, most asymptomatic patients were not virus-free until around 17 days – compared 19 or 20 for those with symptoms – which is longer than the isolation period recommended by most countries. Although other studies suggest people may only shed the live coronavirus for around eight days (2).

    The lack of coughing sneezing might mean asymptomatic coronavirus carriers are less efficient transmitters. Nonetheless, the findings certainly suggest they could be unknowingly spreading the virus, experts say. At the same time, those without symptoms are more likely to go about their daily routine while unwittingly infecting others, which might help explain why the virus has been so difficult to contain.


  • #8006
    odyssey06
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,138 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    Currently less than 1% of the population have it. I’m willing to go with the over 99% odds that I don’t. Call me crazy. But I like those odds.

    You weren't asked for the probability.
    You were asked how you KNOW you don't have it.
    And the truth is you don't.
    You're shifting the goalposts.

    You don't know when setting off whether you're going to be in a car crash or incident.
    The odds may be less than 1 in a 100.
    It still makes sense to wear a seat belt and have good tyres and brakes on your car. It's a precaution.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • #8007
    Sconsey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,613 ✭✭✭Sconsey


    No: other
    weldoninhio wrote: »
    Third time explaining this.

    If. you. don't. have. the. virus. in. the. first. place. it. is. impossible. to. be. asymptomatic.

    :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

    You have already made it clear that you are a liar and will happily lie to avoid wearing a mask.

    You have to resort to 'magic' to try to justify your moronic position. I'm sure you might convince some ten year olds.


  • #8008
    dwayneshintzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,343 ✭✭✭dwayneshintzy


    Yes: to protect myself and others
    weldoninhio wrote: »
    Currently less than 1% of the population have it. I’m willing to go with the over 99% odds that I don’t. Call me crazy. But I like those odds.
    There is no way of knowing what percentage of the population has it unless there is mass testing. Hong Kong had 28 straight days with no infections; at the start of July there was 0 cases in a day, then 4 or 5, and within a few weeks it was over 100.



    Masks are not a magic bullet, but they help prevent spread.


  • #8009
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend
    dwayneshintzy wrote: »
    There is no way of knowing what percentage of the population has it unless there is mass testing. Hong Kong had 28 straight days with no infections; at the start of July there was 0 cases in a day, then 4 or 5, and within a few weeks it was over 100.



    Masks are not a magic bullet, but they help prevent spread.

    I'll do me, you do you.


  • #8010
    joeguevara
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,255 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    I'll do me, you do you.

    Are you saying that you will break the law with no worries?


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  • #8011
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,643 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    joeguevara wrote: »
    Are you saying that you will break the law with no worries?

    Saying something, and doing it are very different things. Particularly when the 'saying' is done pseudo anonymously from behind a keyboard.

    The reality is likely to be very different when facing a refusal of admission or a couple of questions from the Gardai.

    Shut up, mask up won't need to be an instruction, it's more likely to be an immediate reaction.


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