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  • #7952
    MickeyLeari
    Closed Accounts Posts: 917 ✭✭✭MickeyLeari


    Yes: surgical
    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    Serious question, with airborne transmission, where is the best place to change a mask?. Are you not just whipping out a clean mask into dirty indoor air?

    If you cannot go outside to the open air, probably a plane or a surgery with HEPA filters and rapid air replacement.

    These masks https://www.etsy.com/ie/listing/840871235/serious-filtered-mask-3d-printed-with-20?ga_order=most_relevant&ga_search_type=all&ga_view_type=gallery&ga_search_query=hepa+mask&ref=sc_gallery-1-8&plkey=3b0c59e2f3f15b86f1896a2b452ae1556af34f45:840871235&col=1 have hepa filters and could be an option. But note that they are not certified medical grade - they do look formidable though.


  • #7953
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,047 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    Masks help stop the spread “IF” you are infected. If you aren’t infected they are absolutely pointless.

    It's mid-August. This post might have gotten a pass in February or March, but by now, there's no excuse for how stupid it is.


  • #7954
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend
    dwayneshintzy wrote: »

    I can link some studies about asymptomatic spread as well if you'd like?

    https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-3012


    https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cid/ciaa654/5848092


    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7291769/


    Can you spread asymptomatically if you don’t have the virus?? No. So the mask is pointless.


  • #7955
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,047 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    Can you spread asymptomatically if you don’t have the virus?? No. So the mask is pointless.

    They help to stop you getting it. Explain to us how that is pointless.


  • #7956
    robinph
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    No: I don't care enough
    weldoninhio wrote: »
    Can you spread asymptomatically if you don’t have the virus?? No. So the mask is pointless.

    How do you know that don't have it?


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  • #7957
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend
    robinph wrote: »
    How do you know that don't have it?

    Magic.


  • #7958
    davemckenna25
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,258 ✭✭✭davemckenna25


    Deleted User wrote: »
    They help to stop you getting it. Explain to us how that is pointless.

    You are wasting your time trying to reason with some....

    I've got a poor fool in work who also believes masks are pointless...steals his oxygen and makes his immune system weak..... its only a flue.... vaccines are trying to sterilise you....
    and believes its all a media ploy to take attention away from Hillary Clinton and Hollywood running a child sex trafficking ring....

    You won't convince them they are wrong, reason doesn't exist...


  • #7959
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,111 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    No: other
    A lot of news starting to pop up about masks causing an increase of bacteria growth caused by prolonged mask wearing drying out peoples mouths and causing bacteria growth, leading to stinky breath and an increase of gum disease which left unchecked will lead to strokes and heart. Some dental pratices are seeing 50% of patients presenting with the new meth mouth.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BFbVpzjbNU


  • #7960
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,047 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Oh Jesus I just realised all the anti-maskers are going to turn into anti-vaxxers.

    weldoninhio, would you like to grace us with a glimpse of that future? Why are Covid-19 vaccines bad? Pointless? etc. Hit us with it so we know what sort of relentless shlte we should be expecting.


  • #7961
    Stevieluvsye
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,907 ✭✭✭Stevieluvsye


    Yes: surgical
    I thought of this a few days ago. I'm assuming that once mask is removed is it being placed in a non-sterile environment, like hand bags, pockets etc.

    I know people are using the same mask over and over again and surely this is causing them to inhale unhealthy bacteria. Interesting.

    Another thing to add to the dooms day list.

    Looking forward tot he autumn, when the double dip recession occurs and budget announced and be told by the muppets be grateful you are still alive while taxes go through the roof


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  • #7962
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    No: other
    davemckenna25 wrote: »
    You are wasting your time trying to reason with some....

    I've got a poor fool in work who also believes masks are pointless...steals his oxygen and makes his immune system weak..... its only a flue.... vaccines are trying to sterilise you....
    and believes its all a media ploy to take attention away from Hillary Clinton and Hollywood running a child sex trafficking ring....

    You won't convince them they are wrong, reason doesn't exist...
    Why do you care so much about people who mean nothing to you and whose opinions you clearly despise? Some reactions are extreme and nutty on both sides but he is right in the sense that if you put a bunch of people into a COVID filled room their masks are unlikely to help them.


  • #7963
    Pinch Flat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,780 ✭✭✭Pinch Flat


    Yes: surgical
    Can guarantee that if the government advice was to not wear a mask, or the virus cokldnt be trabsmitted by sfoplets, the anti maskers would have their masks on.


  • #7964
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    No: other
    That video is pretty crappy. Here's a crappy but more detailed version of it!
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8604639/Dentists-says-mask-wearing-causing-tooth-decay-gum-disease.html


  • #7965
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,047 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Why do you care so much about people who mean nothing to you and whose opinions you clearly despise? Some reactions are extreme and nutty on both sides but he is right in the sense that if you put a bunch of people into a COVID filled room their masks are unlikely to help them.

    And there would be less Covid in the room if everyone was wearing masks.


  • #7966
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    No: other
    Deleted User wrote: »
    And there would be less Covid in the room if everyone was wearing masks.
    Or just don't go into the room and don't ascribe magical qualities to masks. Distance, not crowded nor enclosed locations trumps masks every time.


  • #7967
    emaherx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,501 ✭✭✭emaherx


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    A lot of news starting to pop up about masks causing an increase of bacteria growth caused by prolonged mask wearing drying out peoples mouths and causing bacteria growth, leading to stinky breath and an increase of gum disease which left unchecked will lead to strokes and heart. Some dental pratices are seeing 50% of patients presenting with the new meth mouth.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BFbVpzjbNU

    So? Drink more, use some mouth wash and use clean masks. Basically use some common sense and practice good hygiene and there is no issue?


  • #7968
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    No: other
    Pinch Flat wrote: »
    Can guarantee that if the government advice was to not wear a mask, or the virus cokldnt be trabsmitted by sfoplets, the anti maskers would have their masks on.
    Why do you need a target group to hate? Look after yourself and ignore them.


  • #7969
    timetogo1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 892 ✭✭✭timetogo1


    No: I don't care enough
    is_that_so wrote: »
    Why do you care so much about people who mean nothing to you and whose opinions you clearly despise? Some reactions are extreme and nutty on both sides but he is right in the sense that if you put a bunch of people into a COVID filled room their masks are unlikely to help them.

    Because theyre the idiots that prolong this stuff for everybody else (and will then complain about extra lockdowns). I know we have to tolerate obstinatly thick people but it's hard.

    Your last sentence is incorrect. I'm pretty sure doctors that are wearing masks every day would disagree. The rest of us are not in Covid filled rooms so our masks on top of other precautions are sufficient.


  • #7970
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,111 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    No: other
    emaherx wrote: »
    So? Drink more, use some mouth wash and use clean masks. Basically use some common sense and practice good hygiene and there is no issue?

    Dentist are reporting 50% of people aren't doing that, I think the article isthatso linked to is wrong, you should be breathing through your nose not your mouth to avoid drying it out.
    I know my dentist complimented me before on having a wet mouth as they see a lot of people with dry mouths.


  • #7971
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    No: other
    emaherx wrote: »
    So? Drink more, use some mouth wash and use clean masks. Basically use some common sense and practice good hygiene and there is no issue?
    Yep, add that to the list when you go out! It's easy to do when you're obsessed about that kind of thing, a whole lot of people are not.


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  • #7972
    Stevieluvsye
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,907 ✭✭✭Stevieluvsye


    Yes: surgical
    is_that_so wrote: »
    Yep, add that to the list when you go out! It's easy to do when you're obsessed about that kind of thing, a whole lot of people are not.

    Agreed and to add further
    The comical sight of people wearing a mask below their noses still makes me laugh.


  • #7973
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,047 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Or just don't go into the room and don't ascribe magical qualities to masks. Distance, not crowded nor enclosed locations trumps masks every time.

    I didn't say there'd be none, I said there'd be less. And wearing a mask would help stop you getting it.

    Offices are that "room". Shops are that "room". If people have to work and buy groceries, masks help keep everyone safe.


  • #7974
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    No: other
    timetogo1 wrote: »
    Because theyre the idiots that prolong this stuff for everybody else (and will then complain about extra lockdown). I know we have to tolerate obstinatly thick people but it's hard.
    Can't recall the last time I wasted energy on musings like this about random people. People will do what they do and unless it's illegal or some physical risk to others leave them be.
    Your last sentence is incorrect. I'm pretty sure doctors that are wearing masks every day would disagree. The rest of us are not in Covid filled rooms so our masks on top of other precautions are sufficient.

    Nope, I mean the patches of cloth we the general public use.


  • #7975
    purpleisafruit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 508 ✭✭✭purpleisafruit


    Stevieluvsye wrote: »
    Agreed and to add further
    The comical sight of people wearing a mask below their noses still makes me laugh.
    I constantly shake my head at those people. They do know that a covid test swab is done through the nose ffs!


  • #7976
    McGiver
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,492 ✭✭✭McGiver


    No: I don't care enough
    Hunky Monster wrote: »
    “We do not recommend masks, gloves or other protective measures for the general public” - Dr.Tony Holahan.

    We do not recommend the use of masks for the general public as per WHO recommendations due to risks and other unintended consequences” - Dr.Tony Holahan.

    “The advice we have from the WHO is to not make masks mandatory” - Simon Harris.

    I’ll post the videos of all this if someone doubts me.
    They didn't help the cause - that is correct. In fairness, they are idiots and should have been fired.

    If we had Micheal Martin (and i don't like him) government back in April we would be in a much better place. He isn't afraid to take strict, unpopular measures, which is called leadership. We needed leadership in April.


  • #7977
    robinph
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    No: I don't care enough
    is_that_so wrote: »
    Why do you need a target group to hate? Look after yourself and ignore them.

    Because their idiocy directly affects our daily lives, and potentially our life.


  • #7978
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    No: other
    Deleted User wrote: »
    I didn't say there'd be none, I said there'd be less. And wearing a mask would help stop you getting it.

    Offices are that "room". Shops are that "room". If people have to work and buy groceries, masks help keep everyone safe.
    Well on the basis of cases we've seen in such locations they really are not but I understand NPHET not wanting us to make judgements about risk levels in locations. Keeping away from people keeps everyone people a whole lot safer.


  • #7979
    silver2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,045 ✭✭✭silver2020


    I'm surprised that didn't add in something about elderly people, children dying and "the vulnerable" just to ham it it more. Might as well throw in some anti vaxxer rubbish at the same time.


    How come in south korea where wearing masks has been normal for many years that they haven't got the issues these anti-everything people talk about?


    What's sad is that some people will believe everything said here


  • #7980
    Stevieluvsye
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,907 ✭✭✭Stevieluvsye


    Yes: surgical
    purpleisafruit wrote: »
    I constantly shake my head at those people. They do know that a covid test swab is done through the nose ffs!

    I was in the Whitewater SC a few days ago and some oldish dear was told to cover her nose and she queries with security and asks well "how am i supposed to breath"

    He explained politely the virtues of wearing mask correctly and she then pulled it up.

    Saw her 20 minutes later and lo and behold, were is the mask!


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  • #7981
    McGiver
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,492 ✭✭✭McGiver


    No: I don't care enough
    Hunky Monster wrote: »
    Older/vulnerable people should be supported and cocoon. They should be encouraged to wear masks out and about and cocoon where necessary.
    Yes.
    Hunky Monster wrote: »
    The rest of us need to get back to normal.

    Absolutely not. Defies the point above.
    It's a community effort. 90+% mask compliance needed for a maximum efficacy.


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