Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - Read OP for Mod Warnings

_Kaiser_ · 11-08-2020 08:41AM

So this morning's top headline is that Ireland is being advised to consider reinstating restrictions by the ECDC:

Ireland and other European countries experiencing a resurgence in Covid-19 cases should consider reinstating selected restrictions to avoid further increases in cases and deaths, according to a new risk assessment by the European Centre for Disease Control.

The ECDC says there is a “true resurgence” in cases in several countries as a result of physical distancing measures being relaxed.

Sounds serious, right? Things must be getting out of control again.. or are they:

There are currently 12 cases in hospital and seven in intensive care units.

12 people!! 12!!! We have put 3 counties in renewed lockdown and threatened people with €2500 fines and jail time if they don't wear masks for the sake of 12 people!

This has gone beyond a joke. If this virus was as deadly and virulent as is being made out by the media and many posters on this very forum, there should be hundreds in hospital at this stage. But it's not, so there aren't!
It most affects a specific demographic which the vast majority of the population don't fit into - and this, despite the hysteria suggesting it's a death sentence, is a GOOD THING. I'm honestly beginning to think some people almost WANT it to be worse, so invested are they in their positions.

But again we continue to get the daily figures and the obsessing over the trends and the ever-increasing totals. Meaningless, because at the end of the day there are only 12 people currently in hospital and only 7 of those are serious enough to need an ICU bed.

But, we want headlines to worry over, right? Well how about this one:

Nine in 10 teachers surveyed in Northern Ireland believe the Covid-19 pandemic will damage the mental health and wellbeing of pupils, a children’s charity has said.

Pupils will begin returning to classrooms later this month for the first time since lockdown began in March.

Barnardos NI said Stormont needs to invest more in helping schools put mental health at the heart of the education system.

Garry Matthewson, principal of Holy Family Primary School in Derry, said the “full extent of the damage that has been caused” would not be known until every child was back to school and had the opportunity “to re-establish, reconnect and develop those relationships again”.

“That will be the real challenge,” he said. “We know that for some children, this pandemic has been immensely difficult and we are very keen to get them all back to school safely.”

The biggest question right now to my mind is: How long are we are going to sit back and watch the mental health of the nation suffer while our livelihoods and futures are flushed down the toilet to protect the fearful, and the incompetent politicians who are hiding behind the medical orders advice of those in NPHET that they have abdicated responsibility to?

This will lead to not only the deepest recession the country has ever experienced, but also the biggest political scandal the country has ever seen by the end of it.

robbiezero · 11-08-2020 08:46AM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

So this morning's top headline is that Ireland is being advised to consider reinstating restrictions by the ECDC:

Irish times stoking the fear as usual.

The actual statement from ECDC is much more nuanced with the important part being "should consider re-instating selected measures through a phased, step-wise and sustainable approach".

Further increases in the incidence of COVID-19, and associated hospitalisations and deaths, can be mitigated if sufficient control measures are reinstalled or reinforced in a timely manner. Countries that are now observing an increase in cases, after having lifted their control measures following a temporary improvement in the epidemiological situation, should consider re-instating selected measures through a phased, step-wise and sustainable approach. Assessment of risk at local level is important, taking into consideration the epidemiological situation, local services and lessons learned regarding the impact of previous measures.

https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/publications-data/rapid-risk-assessment-coronavirus-disease-2019-covid-19-eueea-and-uk-eleventh

The Unbearables · 11-08-2020 08:49AM

DVDM93 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/SamueILFC/status/1292904253909078018?s=20

md23040 wrote: »

Just listening to RTE speak about the cases per 100,000 of Covid being higher in Ireland compared to the UK, and them saying if you strip out the three quarantined ;)i then it’s lower.

OMG even Trump wouldn’t be that dumb to say something as stupid as that.

Awful to hear that. Further restrictions inevitable if this keeps up.

SEPT 23 1989 · 11-08-2020 08:53AM

Diabhalta wrote: »

Weekend crowds at Wexford beaches beyond ‘all previous numbers
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/weekend-crowds-at-wexford-beaches-beyond-all-previous-numbers-1.4326954?mode=amp

Don't travel abroad, don't go to the beach either.

So what exactly can you do in this country? Plenty of space on the beach so what's the fuss about? People don't socially distance in shops, are the guards called too?

It's absolutely ridiculous. Virus usually spreads in indoor settings, like office or meat plant. You really won't get it on the beach. People went totally stupid.

Can't wait for my flight out of this mad place.

Curracloe beach is seven miles long

Seven miles

Diabhalta · 11-08-2020 08:57AM

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definitely

hmmm · 11-08-2020 08:59AM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Are those people supposed to accept the possibility that they could miss out on physical interaction with another human for years?

Complete negativity and doom-mongering, and spreading unnecessary fear.

That's why people will exchange bodily fluids without wearing a mask. That cannot be "wait until there's a vaccine even if that means spending half a decade without a sexual encounter".

You've invented some sort of strait-jacket in your head which says that the entire world is locked in solitary confinement.

There's going to be lots of people out on dates or having other social interactions last weekend and this weekend, and this can all be done without needing house parties or nightclubs.

copeyhagen · 11-08-2020 09:09AM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

So this morning's top headline is that Ireland is being advised to consider reinstating restrictions by the ECDC:

Sounds serious, right? Things must be getting out of control again.. or are they:

12 people!! 12!!! We have put 3 counties in renewed lockdown and threatened people with €2500 fines and jail time if they don't wear masks for the sake of 12 people!

This has gone beyond a joke. If this virus was as deadly and virulent as is being made out by the media and many posters on this very forum, there should be hundreds in hospital at this stage. But it's not, so there aren't!
It most affects a specific demographic which the vast majority of the population don't fit into - and this, despite the hysteria suggesting it's a death sentence, is a GOOD THING. I'm honestly beginning to think some people almost WANT it to be worse, so invested are they in their positions.

But again we continue to get the daily figures and the obsessing over the trends and the ever-increasing totals. Meaningless, because at the end of the day there are only 12 people currently in hospital and only 7 of those are serious enough to need an ICU bed.

But, we want headlines to worry over, right? Well how about this one:

The biggest question right now to my mind is: How long are we are going to sit back and watch the mental health of the nation suffer while our livelihoods and futures are flushed down the toilet to protect the fearful, and the incompetent politicians who are hiding behind the medical orders advice of those in NPHET that they have abdicated responsibility to?

This will lead to not only the deepest recession the country has ever experienced, but also the biggest political scandal the country has ever seen by the end of it.

all good points, imo the majority of people that are going to die from this have already died. wheres all the hospital admissions from the hundreds of people that have had it over the apst 2 weeks....

this virus has culled the old/sick and vulnerable, which is terrible, but i think its done its worst now at this stage.

Diabhalta · 11-08-2020 09:10AM

I guess pandemic is over in Dublin

Clamping exemption for Dublin hospital workers to end

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/clamping-exemption-for-dublin-hospital-workers-to-end-1.4326949?mode=amp

_Kaiser_ · 11-08-2020 09:17AM

hmmm wrote: »

Complete negativity and doom-mongering, and spreading unnecessary fear.

You've invented some sort of strait-jacket in your head which says that the entire world is locked in solitary confinement.

There's going to be lots of people out on dates or having other social interactions last weekend and this weekend, and this can all be done without needing house parties or nightclubs.

You obviously missed the HSE advice a week or so back around singles dating and particularly the younger singles who they suggested should stick to phonesex or masturbation

The bottom line is the jig is up. The numbers and facts don't match up with the fear and predictions of doom being peddled by the media and many who are so fearful/invested in their position that they refuse to acknowledge this reality, and actively rail against it.

Whatabout and potentially/possibly < hard evidence that this is not as virulent or deadly as has been made out. If it was, there would be many more thousands dead in this country and a lot more currently in hospital.

But there aren't.. and you can't say "because the restrictions are working" when most people and businesses have been freely moving about/operating for 2 months now. The current "surge" in the last week or so is already starting to show signs of subsiding. Laois - one of the 3 counties that HAD to go into lockdown - had no new cases yesterday.

The game is up. Protect those who are actually most at risk, certainly. Maintain good hygiene, definitely. Distance where possible, of course (although even before CV-19, most people didn't generally get in others personal space in supermarkets!) but it's time to come out from under the bed and start getting on with things again.

average_runner · 11-08-2020 09:24AM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

You obviously missed the HSE advice a week or so back around singles dating and particularly the younger singles who they suggested should stick to phonesex or masturbation

The bottom line is the jig is up. The numbers and facts don't match up with the fear and predictions of doom being peddled by the media and many who are so fearful/invested in their position that they refuse to acknowledge this reality, and actively rail against it.

Whatabout and potentially/possibly < hard evidence that this is not as virulent or deadly as has been made out. If it was, there would be many more thousands dead in this country and a lot more currently in hospital.

But there aren't.. and you can't say "because the restrictions are working" when most people and businesses have been freely moving about/operating for 2 months now. The current "surge" in the last week or so is already starting to show signs of subsiding. Laois - one of the 3 counties that HAD to go into lockdown - had no new cases yesterday.

The game is up. It's time to get on with it. Protect those who are actually most at risk, certainly. Maintain good hygiene, definitely. Distance where possible, of course (although even before CV-19, most people didn't generally get in others personal space in supermarkets!) but it's time to come out from under the bed and start getting on with things again.

All the testing from the weekend hasn't come through yet, so expect a rise between today and Thursday.

We are able to move around for the last two months for various reasons:
- The lockdown had a big effect.
- Most people are outside in the fresh air now and not in the cities
- Offices are allowing people to work from home, so no pressure on public transport.
- People are now staying local, businesses in local areas doing well, while the city struggles as no one in the offices.

The winter could bring on a different battle:
- Bad weather, people will return to shopping centres
- More sports will be indoor for kids and adults
- Schools starting back, we don't know the effect here if any
- Flu season is coming

Quantum Erasure · 11-08-2020 09:27AM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

12 people!! 12!!! We have put 3 counties in renewed lockdown and threatened people with €2500 fines and jail time if they don't wear masks for the sake of 12 people!

Not for the sake of 12 people, it's too late for them.

But maybe, if we do this right, the rest of us might have a chance....

_Kaiser_ · 11-08-2020 09:35AM

average_runner wrote: »

All the testing from the weekend hasn't come through yet, so expect a rise between today and Thursday.

We are able to move around for the last two months for various reasons:
- The lockdown had a big effect.
- Most people are outside in the fresh air now and not in the cities
- Offices are allowing people to work from home, so no pressure on public transport.
- People are now staying local, businesses in local areas doing well, while the city struggles as no one in the offices.

Wait? What?

I'm not sure where in the country you are but activity in and around Dublin is significantly up in recent times. No, it's not at pre-Covid levels but there's a lot more traffic on the road, people going to work, shopping etc.

Yet despite that, we have reports almost daily of businesses/jobs at risk or closing down. It's significantly worse in the areas outside Dublin.

You make it sound like people are relaxing at home, out taking nature walks and sitting in the park. Maybe 3 months ago, but things have moved on. Even then those who still are in that position are probably far too worried about their jobs and supporting their families and paying their bills to be sipping drinks in the park.

The winter could bring on a different battle:
- Bad weather, people will return to shopping centres
- More sports will be indoor for kids and adults
- Schools starting back, we don't know the effect here if any
- Flu season is coming

Could be (again not certain) but also, so???

Winter has always been the height of flu and sickness season and this year will be no different - besides every sniffle having to be treated as a suspected Covid case :rolleyes: The chaos this will cause will be massive!

But remember, we've had evidence that this thing was here last year in parts of Europe and here during winter - yet, no-one knew about it at the time and we certainly didn't see a surge of hospitalisations and deaths beyond what would be normally seen at that time.

The biggest risk is to the elderly and those with underlying conditions as it has always been. Absolutely should those people protect themselves (as I'm sure they try to anyway during the winter months), and absolutely should the community rally around them (as was the case in March/April/May), but the REST of us - the 95%+ who will NOT be affected or only mildly - need to get on with it.

robbiezero · 11-08-2020 09:38AM

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

Not for the sake of 12 people, it's too late for them.

But maybe, if we do this right, the rest of us might have a chance....

Good god.

average_runner · 11-08-2020 09:45AM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Wait? What?

I'm not sure where in the country you are but activity in and around Dublin is significantly up in recent times. No, it's not at pre-Covid levels but there's a lot more traffic on the road, people going to work, shopping etc.

Yet despite that, we have reports almost daily of businesses/jobs at risk or closing down. It's significantly worse in the areas outside Dublin.

You make it sound like people are relaxing at home, out taking nature walks and sitting in the park. Maybe 3 months ago, but things have moved on. Even then those who still are in that position are probably far too worried about their jobs and supporting their families and paying their bills to be sipping drinks in the park.

The evidence we had of it in Europe last winter was not many cases. It then hammered Italy after alot came back from their weekend breaks on the slopes.
Maybe you want to see something worst than Italy?

Could be (again not certain) but also, so???

Winter has always been the height of flu and sickness season and this year will be no different - besides every sniffle having to be treated as a suspected Covid case :rolleyes: The chaos this will cause will be massive!

But remember, we've had evidence that this thing was here last year in parts of Europe and here during winter - yet, no-one knew about it at the time and we certainly didn't see a surge of hospitalisations and deaths beyond what would be normally seen at that time.

The biggest risk is to the elderly and those with underlying conditions as it has always been. Absolutely should those people protect themselves (as I'm sure they try to anyway during the winter months), and absolutely should the community rally around them (as was the case in March/April/May), but the REST of us - the 95%+ who will NOT be affected or only mildly - need to get on with it.

I am in Dublin and I know for fact that majority of offices are not open fully.
Parks in Dublin are full at the weekend, maybe visit a few.

Google won't be returning into the offices till next Summer, we been told we won't be in till after December, wife was told Spring.

Restaurants in the city are struggling but the ones out by us are busy.

polesheep · 11-08-2020 10:12AM

The Unbearables wrote: »

Awful to hear that. Further restrictions inevitable if this keeps up.

Yep, you said it. Just like the three-county restrictions that no one is paying a blind bit of attention to.

polesheep · 11-08-2020 10:16AM

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

Not for the sake of 12 people, it's too late for them.

But maybe, if we do this right, the rest of us might have a chance....

Not a snowball's chance in Hell... all dead by Christmas.:rolleyes:

11-08-2020 10:17AM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

What's your advice to people who are either single or in non-cohabiting relationships? Should people literally remain celibate indefinitely? That's the real crux of why social distancing seems insurmountable for another protracted period for so many young people and it's the one issue that isn't being talked about. It might sound ridiculous to people who are either asexual or in a live-in relationship, but for the vast majority of people the long term lack of physical contact from the opposite sex, especially people who are used to having it in their lives, truly is going to cause a mental health crisis. It's utterly ridiculous for anyone to claim otherwise.

Without clubs, social occasions, college life, etc - and with a 2m social distance requirement for strangers interacting with eachother, sexual relationships between people who won't live together are essentially banned. That's why so many people are desperate for social outlets to reopen. Not drink. For single people it's about the opportunity to meet someone, for people in non live-in relationships they're scratching their heads and wondering how long it'll be before they can hang out with their partners and share a hug or a kiss, let alone anything more.

The current paradigm of "social distancing is here until there's a vaccine, even if that's months or years away" is devastatingly depressing to anyone fitting in to the category of people who (a) have a normal sex drive, and (b) aren't living with a partner.

I guarantee you this is the main driving force behind people like the poster you quoted who are so eager for ordinary social life to resume. Dressing it up as an obsession with alcohol is in my view a total red herring considering alcohol is widely available in shops and can be consumed at home. What people are missing are the settings where it's socially acceptable to chat up a stranger with the door open to forming any kind of physical relationship. What people are missing is being able to meet their partner who lives in a different household and stand closer than 2m away to touch eachother.

All of these are basic, ordinary, everyday human interactions for many people and it's entirely unnatural for people to live without those things long term. It is widely known as a genuine cause of mental health issues and it's utterly ridiculous that people are overlooking this fundamental aspect of social distancing when attacking those who don't find a potential waiting period of six months or more acceptable - those people are looking at a genuine prospect of being single and sexually lonely for that entire period, or - arguably even worse - having a partner but not being able to kiss, hug or anything else because that partner lives in a different household, potentially even an unavoidable public transport trip away.

Are those people supposed to accept the possibility that they could miss out on physical interaction with another human for years?

There has to be a contingency plan which negates this, because regardless of whether you want to accuse people of being selfish or anything else, the bottom line is that this cannot be maintained. People are going to ignore it. People are going to break the rules, Romeo and Juliet style, to sneak away with someone else and get the shift or the ride without caring about the rules they're breaking. The sexual instinct in humans is not something one can simple override for months or years regardless of the circumstances, eventually people will[/b] break the rules because they're horny.

That's why people will throw illegal house parties in the absence of pubs reopening. That's why people will meet people they're not supposed to meet at anything closer than a 2m distance. That's why people will exchange bodily fluids without wearing a mask. And this is something which must be addressed, because expecting the entire single or non co-habiting population of this country to forgo sexual interaction for much longer is simply not going to be possible. Regardless of what you think of people who do so, it won't change the fact that people will begin to take the risk if there isn't a realistic light at the end of the tunnel. That cannot be "wait until there's a vaccine even if that means spending half a decade without a sexual encounter". Whatever you think of the morality thereof is irrelevant - it's not going to happen. People will break, and when they do, they'll break the rules. That's a basic law of human nature - the vast majority of people are not wired to go without physical contact, simple as that.

You put this more eloquently than I ever could. I think this is at the crux of the issue with middle-aged people shaming younger people without any sort of empathy for why they might be out socialising. I've said it before, its easy to look down on people for breaking the rules when they have minimal impact on your own life.

polesheep · 11-08-2020 10:23AM

AdamD wrote: »

You put this more eloquently than I ever could. I think this is at the crux of the issue with middle-aged people shaming younger people without any sort of empathy for why they might be out socialising. I've said it before, its easy to look down on people for breaking the rules when they have minimal impact on your own life.

Shaming the youth is pure desperation. No pun intended, but with or without a vaccine the herd will move on as it always does. We like to think of ourselves as highly developed and above base instincts, but we aren't really.

JRant · 11-08-2020 10:24AM

Diabhalta wrote: »

Weekend crowds at Wexford beaches beyond ‘all previous numbers
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/weekend-crowds-at-wexford-beaches-beyond-all-previous-numbers-1.4326954?mode=amp

Don't travel abroad, don't go to the beach either.

So what exactly can you do in this country? Plenty of space on the beach so what's the fuss about? People don't socially distance in shops, are the guards called too?

It's absolutely ridiculous. Virus usually spreads in indoor settings, like office or meat plant. You really won't get it on the beach. People went totally stupid.

Can't wait for my flight out of this mad place.

Completely over the top reaction, as per usual in this country. I was in Morriscastle on Sunday. Got their early, loads of parking, the beach was busy between the lifeguard flags but practically empty once you weren't lazy enough to walk a hundred meters past them. It was glorious and everyone keeping a distance where possible.

As you said, they have been pumping out the message of staycations this past few weeks yet they were asking people on the radio to stay away from coastal areas, beaches and lakes over the weekend. We are being run by a bunch of moron's it seems.

JRant · 11-08-2020 10:30AM

polesheep wrote: »

Yep, you said it. Just like the three-county restrictions that no one is paying a blind bit of attention to.

Lots of Kildare regs down around Kilmuckridge and Ballygarret over the weekend. People are just doing their own thing it seems.

11-08-2020 04:23PM

JRant wrote: »

Lots of Kildare regs down around Kilmuckridge and Ballygarret over the weekend. People are just doing their own thing it seems.

Lots of Kildare regs all over the country as there is no requirement for your car reg to match your place of residence.

PTH2009 · 11-08-2020 06:11PM

numbers sound promising and going by the news the government are finding ways to live with the virus

Lockdown Part II is just not viable

Pitch n Putt · 11-08-2020 06:16PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

numbers sound promising and going by the news the government are finding ways to live with the virus

Lockdown Part II is just not viable

Government couldn’t find their way along a straight corridor.

bettyoleary · 11-08-2020 06:24PM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

So this morning's top headline is that Ireland is being advised to consider reinstating restrictions by the ECDC:

Sounds serious, right? Things must be getting out of control again.. or are they:

12 people!! 12!!! We have put 3 counties in renewed lockdown and threatened people with €2500 fines and jail time if they don't wear masks for the sake of 12 people!

This has gone beyond a joke. If this virus was as deadly and virulent as is being made out by the media and many posters on this very forum, there should be hundreds in hospital at this stage. But it's not, so there aren't!
It most affects a specific demographic which the vast majority of the population don't fit into - and this, despite the hysteria suggesting it's a death sentence, is a GOOD THING. I'm honestly beginning to think some people almost WANT it to be worse, so invested are they in their positions.

But again we continue to get the daily figures and the obsessing over the trends and the ever-increasing totals. Meaningless, because at the end of the day there are only 12 people currently in hospital and only 7 of those are serious enough to need an ICU bed.

But, we want headlines to worry over, right? Well how about this one:

The biggest question right now to my mind is: How long are we are going to sit back and watch the mental health of the nation suffer while our livelihoods and futures are flushed down the toilet to protect the fearful, and the incompetent politicians who are hiding behind the medical orders advice of those in NPHET that they have abdicated responsibility to?

This will lead to not only the deepest recession the country has ever experienced, but also the biggest political scandal the country has ever seen by the end of it.

Or succinctly and avoid your busy post you could just say, IM alright Jack.

MadYaker · 11-08-2020 06:30PM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

game is up. Protect those who are actually most at risk, certainly. Maintain good hygiene, definitely. Distance where possible, of course (although even before CV-19, most people didn't generally get in others personal space in supermarkets!) but it's time to come out from under the bed and start getting on with things again.

Who’s under their beds? I was back in work all day and then I went for dinner in a restaurant. What exactly are you proposing as an alternative approach? Put everyone over 60 or with underlying conditions under house arrest until there’s a vaccine and fcuk the 1% or 2% of healthy people who will die anyway? You know you could be in that 1 or 2% right.

If the government see the hospitals starting to get busy they will have no choice but to put us back on full lockdown again and cancel all hospital procedures like they did back in March with all the misery that causes for people.

What’s your plan? You seem like you have the answers. I don’t know what you thought it would look like, but this is “getting on with it”.

facehugger99 · 11-08-2020 06:31PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

numbers sound promising and going by the news the government are finding ways to live with the virus

Lockdown Part II is just not viable

What a joke that they have imposed a lockdown in 3 counties with the pathetically small number of cases.

It exposes how hysterically over-reactive NHEPT are - why are the Government just rubber-stamping their nonsense? Ronan Glynn is a chicken-licken who should be told to pipe the fcuk down.

Time people stood up to this.

Large scale flouting of this 'lockdown' is called for.

Quantum Erasure · 11-08-2020 06:49PM

facehugger99 wrote: »

What a joke that they have imposed a lockdown in 3 counties with the pathetically small number of cases.

It exposes how hysterically over-reactive NHEPT are - why are the Government just rubber-stamping their nonsense? Ronan Glynn is a chicken-licken who should be told to pipe the fcuk down.

Time people stood up to this.

Large scale flouting of this 'lockdown' is called for.

Yeah, we need numbers up where they were before, before we even think of imposing any restrictions....

John O.Groats · 11-08-2020 09:42PM

facehugger99 wrote: »

What a joke that they have imposed a lockdown in 3 counties with the pathetically small number of cases.

It exposes how hysterically over-reactive NHEPT are - why are the Government just rubber-stamping their nonsense? Ronan Glynn is a chicken-licken who should be told to pipe the fcuk down.

Time people stood up to this.

Large scale flouting of this 'lockdown' is called for.

Sure it is pal. That is a sure fire way for cases to rise and for more widespread restrictions to be imposed. Then again that would mean more opportunities for you and your brigade to castigate the government, the public service, teachers etc. which is what your real agenda is no matter what the topic. Right? Thankfully the vast majority of people have more sense than to be taken in by the rubbish you constantly spout on here.

JRant · 11-08-2020 09:51PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Lots of Kildare regs all over the country as there is no requirement for your car reg to match your place of residence.

Fair point.

Spanish Eyes · 11-08-2020 09:56PM

I have a KE reg myself but live in Dublin. Poor me....

The gardai have an app that will tell them where you live, or at least where the car is registered to. If they challenge me anywhere that is.

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - Read OP for Mod Warnings