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How will schools be able to go back in September? (Continued)

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  • #1262
    abacus120
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 147 ✭✭abacus120


    average_runner wrote: »
    Its hard to know what is right and wrong, but I am happy with the approach our school has taken.


    What is wrong, is schools waiting till now to tell people we don't need uniforms, most had bought them already and some were probably struggling to afford it.



    Our school told us to hold off, last May till we see what happens. Some schools are in touch with reality, some aren't sadly.

    I dont think any school is going to not have some sort of a uniform. I think that was just a rumour.


  • #1263
    wirelessdude01
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,445 ✭✭✭wirelessdude01


    average_runner wrote: »
    Its hard to know what is right and wrong, but I am happy with the approach our school has taken.


    What is wrong, is schools waiting till now to tell people we don't need uniforms, most had bought them already and some were probably struggling to afford it.



    Our school told us to hold off, last May till we see what happens. Some schools are in touch with reality, some aren't sadly.

    Are people still going on about uniforms?


  • #1264
    lulublue22
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,496 ✭✭✭lulublue22


    average_runner wrote: »
    Its hard to know what is right and wrong, but I am happy with the approach our school has taken.


    What is wrong, is schools waiting till now to tell people we don't need uniforms, most had bought them already and some were probably struggling to afford it.



    Our school told us to hold off, last May till we see what happens. Some schools are in touch with reality, some aren't sadly.

    I think uniforms or lack of are the least of many's concerns with the back to school plan. I’d be fairly confident that the uniform / non uniform issue will not be pivotal in keeping schools open over the next few weeks/ months.


  • #1265
    Murple
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 337 ✭✭Murple


    New Zealand recently marked 100 days without a case of Covid-19. They have been living almost as normal with spectators at sporting events, everything open, no SD. Everyone arriving in to the country has to quarantine for 14 days in a government appointed facility. One man who had arrived from Melbourne tested negative on day 3 but tested positive on day 12. They have a total of 22 active cases in quarantine facilities.
    They have now a family of 4 in a Auckland who have been diagnosed, including a pre-school child. As a result they have moved to level 3 lockdown which includes shutting schools and crèches to all but essential workers children. It is unknown how the family caught Covid i.e. community transmission. They had no history of travel or connection to quarantine facility.

    There are so many lessons in this for our response to Covid but are we paying any heed?


  • #1266
    Loafing Oaf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,886 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    average_runner wrote: »
    Schools in Scotland back today. What's the difference in their setup to ours?

    Do they normally start back in the middle of August?


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  • #1267
    Stateofyou
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,431 ✭✭✭Stateofyou


    "Recent research suggests that children can carry at least as much of the virus in their noses and throats as adults do, even if they have only mild or moderate symptoms. That has prompted fears that students who become ill at school may spread the virus to their older relatives.
    Infected children have at least as much of the coronavirus in their noses and throats as infected adults, according to the research. Indeed, children younger than age 5 may host up to 100 times as much of the virus in the upper respiratory tract as adults, the authors found."

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/30/health/coronavirus-children.html?campaign_id=9&emc=edit_nn_20200811&instance_id=21164&nl=the-morning&regi_id=80575108&segment_id=35750&te=1&user_id=90a1a4241527de890afad74a8849bbc0

    "It’s not just older people who are at risk — in some rare cases, a child’s health can be severely affected. Nearly 600 young people in the U.S., from infants to 20 year olds, have developed an inflammatory syndrome linked to Covid-19, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reports. Most of the children required intensive care.

    “I fear that there has been this sense that kids just won’t get infected or don’t get infected in the same way as adults and that, therefore, they’re almost like a bubbled population,” Michael Osterholm, an infectious diseases expert at the University of Minnesota, told The Times in July.

    “There will be transmission,” he said. “What we have to do is accept that now and include that in our plans.”
    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/18/health/coronavirus-children-schools.html?auth=login-email&campaign_id=9&emc=edit_nn_20200811&instance_id=21164&login=email&nl=the-morning&regi_id=80575108&segment_id=35750&te=1&user_id=90a1a4241527de890afad74a8849bbc0


  • #1268
    average_runner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,884 ✭✭✭✭average_runner


    lulublue22 wrote: »
    I think uniforms or lack of are the least of many's concerns with the back to school plan. I’d be fairly confident that the uniform / non uniform issue will not be pivotal in keeping schools open over the next few weeks/ months.




    I never said that, I said it was an expense on some families when it was not needed in these times.


    For example our school has recommended the kids school tracksuits for the year.


    A few other schools close by are going with no uniform at all.


  • #1269
    wirelessdude01
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,445 ✭✭✭wirelessdude01


    Loafing Oaf wrote: »
    Do they normally start back in the middle of August?

    Roughly this time. Maybe a a little bit earlier this year.


  • #1270
    lulublue22
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,496 ✭✭✭lulublue22


    average_runner wrote: »
    I never said that, I said it was an expense on some families when it was not needed in these times.


    For example our school has recommended the kids school tracksuits for the year.


    A few other schools close by are going with no uniform at all.

    Anyone who has a school uniform bought prior to the school announcing that next year will be non uniform should simply send their child / children to school in their uniform. Respiratory etiquette , hand hygiene and an awareness as far as possible re SD are by far more important issues for children / schools to focus on than uniform / non uniform.


  • #1271
    Murple
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 337 ✭✭Murple


    Loafing Oaf wrote: »
    Do they normally start back in the middle of August?

    Yes.

    https://education.gov.scot/parentzone/my-school/general-school-information/term-dates/


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  • #1272
    teachinggal123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 840 ✭✭✭teachinggal123


    mirrorwall14 wrote: »
    You need to move schools or professions. This constant pulling this thread off topic is incredibly annoying

    To be fair, the constant posts telling me how unhappy I must be and that I need to move schools/career is whats pulling the thread off topic.

    I have replied honestly and given detail of *my own* experiences. I will continue to do that without personally insulting anyone.


  • #1273
    SusanC10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,432 ✭✭✭SusanC10


    Another email today saying that the Bubble will now consist of 2 classes so almost 60 kids. No mention of pods.
    None of the teachers will be wearing Masks.
    Isn't this too large of a group ?
    Probably won't make a difference as I don't believe these bubbles/pods will work anyway.


  • #1274
    i_surge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭i_surge


    SusanC10 wrote: »
    Another email today saying that the Bubble will now consist of 2 classes so almost 60 kids. No mention of pods.
    None of the teachers will be wearing Masks.
    Isn't this too large of a group ?
    Probably won't make a difference as I don't believe these bubbles/pods will work anyway.

    Sounds like a recipe for trouble, why no masks? Rational?

    Sounds like every school is making it up, no consistent approach from Dept of Education?


  • #1275
    Oranage2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,129 ✭✭✭✭Oranage2


    SusanC10 wrote: »
    Another email today saying that the Bubble will now consist of 2 classes so almost 60 kids. No mention of pods.
    None of the teachers will be wearing Masks.
    Isn't this too large of a group ?
    Probably won't make a difference as I don't believe these bubbles/pods will work anyway.

    Absolutely massive, there are siblings and outside friends in different classes so if two 'bubbles' get it that's 120 students (eek). The virus takes 2-14 days to show signs so 100s of kids will be infected before anything is noticed.

    I can't believe this is the plan, I do think schools can open with the right set up but these guidelines are a farce.


  • #1276
    The Unbearables
    Closed Accounts Posts: 359 ✭✭The Unbearables


    SusanC10 wrote: »
    Another email today saying that the Bubble will now consist of 2 classes so almost 60 kids. No mention of pods.
    None of the teachers will be wearing Masks.
    Isn't this too large of a group ?
    Probably won't make a difference as I don't believe these bubbles/pods will work anyway.

    This has to a wind up.

    This isn't any sort of plan.


  • #1277
    wirelessdude01
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,445 ✭✭✭wirelessdude01


    SusanC10 wrote: »
    Another email today saying that the Bubble will now consist of 2 classes so almost 60 kids. No mention of pods.
    None of the teachers will be wearing Masks.
    Isn't this too large of a group ?
    Probably won't make a difference as I don't believe these bubbles/pods will work anyway.

    I'm guessing this is due to 1m SD not being possible between pods in the rooms and also due to yard space?


  • #1278
    i_surge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭i_surge


    I hope teachers will have the confidence to go on strike if the plan doesn't live up to scientific scrutiny.


  • #1279
    wirelessdude01
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,445 ✭✭✭wirelessdude01


    i_surge wrote: »
    I hope teachers will have the confidence to go on strike if the plan doesn't live up to scientific scrutiny.

    Personally don't think that is anywhere on the agenda.


  • #1280
    SusanC10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,432 ✭✭✭SusanC10


    Well, if it is a wind up it's not me doing it.

    There are 2 classes for each year and they have said that this will be 1 bubble. They have also said that the staff will not wear Masks etc unless giving First Aid or care needs.


  • #1281
    Bananaleaf
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    Oranage2 wrote: »

    I can't believe this is the plan, I do think schools can open with the right set up but these guidelines are a farce.

    That they are.

    Unfortunately, the masses won't really grasp this until the proverbial has well and truly hit the fan and we're trying to scrub it off the walls!!! :eek:


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  • #1282
    i_surge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭i_surge


    Bananaleaf wrote: »
    That they are.

    Unfortunately, the masses won't really grasp this until the proverbial has well and truly hit the fan and we're trying to scrub it off the walls!!! :eek:

    In this country there was a huge scandal over cervical smear test error causing some deaths.

    This seems like the outcome would be similar only it is wilful negligence instead of a genuine mistake. Some teachers will die with this policy.


  • #1283
    khalessi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,216 ✭✭✭khalessi


    SusanC10 wrote: »
    Well, if it is a wind up it's not me doing it.

    There are 2 classes for each year and they have said that this will be 1 bubble. They have also said that the staff will not wear Masks etc unless giving First Aid or care needs.

    Have similar set up
    More than 2 class groups each year and each year group a bubble with over 100 children and then as SET I am already in 3 confirmed bubbles and more depending on sick leave.

    Re the masks I am wearing one regardless of school viewpoint.


  • #1284
    Bananaleaf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,923 ✭✭✭Bananaleaf


    i_surge wrote: »
    In this country there was a huge scandal over cervical smear test error causing some deaths.

    This seems like the outcome would be similar only it is wilful negligence instead of a genuine mistake. Some teachers will die with this policy.

    And possibly some students too.


  • #1285
    bettyoleary
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 400 ✭✭bettyoleary


    Bananaleaf wrote: »
    And possibly some students too.
    Well teachers have to stick up for themselves now and protect each other . We are not living in a communist regime. The virus has broken out in a creche in Dublin. Test and trace has proved to be incompetent. You have seen a father of a 2yr old was prepared to put his child at risk, so what can we say.


  • #1286
    SusanC10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,432 ✭✭✭SusanC10


    bettyoleary wrote: »
    Well teachers have to stick up for themselves now and protect each other . We are not living in a communist regime. The virus has broken out in a creche in Dublin. Test and trace has proved to be incompetent. You have seen a father of a 2yr old was prepared to put his child at risk, so what can we say.


    Have you a link to.the story on the creche in Dublin ?


  • #1287
    bettyoleary
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 400 ✭✭bettyoleary


    SusanC10 wrote: »
    Have you a link to.the story on the creche in Dublin ?
    https://www.msn.com/en-ie/news/coronavirus/creche-with-five-cases-of-covid-19-shuts-temporarily-as-immunologist-says-test-delays-are-concerning/ar-BB17PtbB?ocid=msedgntp


  • #1288
    wirelessdude01
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,445 ✭✭✭wirelessdude01


    bettyoleary wrote: »
    Well teachers have to stick up for themselves now and protect each other . We are not living in a communist regime. The virus has broken out in a creche in Dublin. Test and trace has proved to be incompetent. You have seen a father of a 2yr old was prepared to put his child at risk, so what can we say.

    Guessing you can't even get the details correct, guessing you mean in Navan? That is is Meath.


  • #1289
    SusanC10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,432 ✭✭✭SusanC10


    wirelessdude01 wrote: »
    Guessing you can't even get the details correct, guessing you mean in Navan? That is is Meath.

    It is the one in Navan. For a moment there, I thought that there was another one in Dublin.


  • #1290
    bettyoleary
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 400 ✭✭bettyoleary


    SusanC10 wrote: »
    It is the one in Navan. For a moment there, I thought that there was another one in Dublin.
    So you think this will be just an isolated few bcos the virus is particular to Navan.case. I doubt it very much. Id suggest, before you complain about education, you need to partake yourself You cant open schools without massive spread. Why are people so thick?????


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  • #1291
    i_surge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭i_surge


    bettyoleary wrote: »
    Well teachers have to stick up for themselves now and protect each other . We are not living in a communist regime. The virus has broken out in a creche in Dublin. Test and trace has proved to be incompetent. You have seen a father of a 2yr old was prepared to put his child at risk, so what can we say.

    My message to teachers is to not feign to authority if it is not safe and sound. It is hard to not do as your told but sometimes you have to put your foot down.

    From wikipedia

    The Milgram experiment(s) on obedience to authority figures was a series of social psychology experiments conducted by Yale University psychologist Stanley Milgram. They measured the willingness of study participants, men from a diverse range of occupations with varying levels of education, to obey an authority figure who instructed them to perform acts conflicting with their personal conscience. Participants were led to believe that they were assisting an unrelated experiment, in which they had to administer electric shocks to a "learner." These fake electric shocks gradually increased to levels that would have been fatal had they been real.


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