How will schools be able to go back in September? (Continued)

teachinggal123

gabeeg wrote: »

I'm at a loss as to why you continue to try to be a teacher.

You let your kids down and now you're trying to drag your colleagues through the mud just so you can feel better about yourself.

Find something else, for the sake of the kids

I’ll post a few quotes from other threads where other teachers have admitted to doing nothing. I’m not dragging anything through the mud ... I’m calling out the delusion on this thread that “all teachers” have been working hard since March. Guess what? Some have, and some haven’t.

That is a fact and teachers have admitted as much. I’ll post quotes when I’m at my computer tomorrow.

wirelessdude01

Redordeadqwwer wrote: »

Maybe, just maybe, this person isn't actually a teacher?

Posting history pre Covid indicates they are, not a happy one though. Toxic work environment based on their postings. Couldn't stick that myself.

r93kaey5p2izun

teachinggal123 wrote: »

Teachers resorting to personal abuse now. Imbecile is a horrible word to use about a fellow professional.

There are teachers who have admitted to doing nothing and not teaching online ... lots of them! There are many who did great work, but let’s be totally honest and admit there are others who did nothing and will do nothing again if schools close.

Parents would respect us for calling this out like I’ve been doing. They certainly won’t appreciate us if we turn a blind eye and start calling each other imbecile.

You carry on calling yourself out. You failed your students. You are here constantly now seeking reassurance that you can get away with refusing to work again. . Parents won't respect you for failing your students just because you spend your time on a message board stating many teachers didn't do their jobs. Parents would respect you if you did your job instead of refusing to, and blaming everyone but yourself. Stop worrying about all these other anecdotal teachers. You are part of the problem. Fix yourself first.

deiseindublin

I never saw anybody post here that EVERY teacher in EVERY school worked hard since March. You yourself have negated that theory by openly admitting to not working hard.

Oh, and I don't doubt for a moment will be post many many quotes (that you have copied and pasted many many times.............).

teachinggal123

alroley wrote: »

No one is denying that some teachers didn't do the right thing.

You are in a very small minority of teachers who couldn't be bothered. I know teachers in my school, teachers I still talk to that I met during the PME, teachers that teach friends kids all worked so hard to do their best. There will always be a small amount of lazy people in any job, but making out that most teachers didn't work is absurd.

Yes!! Teachers here are denying exactly that! Read the thread.

How do you know it was a “small minority”? That is your opinion. My opinion is different ... loads did nothing and they have said so on other threads.

gabeeg

teachinggal123 wrote: »

I’ll post a few quotes from other threads where other teachers have admitted to doing nothing. I’m not dragging anything through the mud ... I’m calling out the delusion on this thread that “all teachers” have been working hard since March. Guess what? Some have, and some haven’t.

That is a fact and teachers have admitted as much. I’ll post quotes when I’m at my computer tomorrow.

Fine, do that.

But while you're at your computer why not start looking for another career?

I don't know if you have kids, but would you like them to be taught by someone like you?

alroley

teachinggal123 wrote: »

Yes!! Teachers here are denying exactly that! Read the thread.

How do you know it was a “small minority”? That is your opinion. My opinion is different ... loads did nothing and they have said so on other threads.

No one here can be saying that ALL teachers worked when you are here every minute boasting about how you didn't do anything for your students.

History Queen

@teachingal, can u please not derail the thread with the same argument, I think you have made it clear that you feel it was a significant amount of teachers who, like yourself, didn't make enough effort. Others, myself included,
feel these teachers were in the minority. Can we all agree at least that our own views are entrenched and no amount of posting/repetition from either side will change our minds (apologies mods if this is overstepping).

In relation to the thread, I have concerns about the manner in which schools are being reopened. I'm mostly concerned that it is being rushed for public confidence/economic gain (both valid concerns in their own right) rather than for true educational benefit or in line with the health advice available. Saying that, given our system of education and the profile of our classrooms, I can't see full reopening working in most schools. I think in relation to my own school half in/half out would have worked better (from a distancing/education provision pov) but I recognise that this is an unpalatable solution for many parents and students (possibly teachers too) as it'd mean blended learning/childcare issues etc. There's definitely not an easy or clear answer but the "plan" as published is not fit for purpose.

teachinggal123

alroley wrote: »

No one here can be saying that ALL teachers worked when you are here every minute boasting about how you didn't do anything for your students.

It’s good to hear a few teachers admitting that not all teachers worked hard during the school closures.

I made mistakes and allowed myself to be pressurised by senior staff and the principle. I’m ashamed of that and have learned a lesson ... I’ll do differently next time.

It should be an eye opener to the non teachers looking at this thread as to what happens when someone like me calls out bad behaviour in the teaching profession. Imagine what that’s like for a young teacher starting out in their career. The abuse I’ve received in this thread is similar to abuse I’ve received in my job for standing up for what’s right.

People reading this can make up their own minds. They can also think about whether they’d like some of the teachers replying to my posts to teach their children.

Peter Flynt

teachinggal123 wrote: »

It’s good to hear a few teachers admitting that not all teachers worked hard during the school closures.

I made mistakes and allowed myself to be pressurised by senior staff and the principle. I’m ashamed of that and have learned a lesson ... I’ll do differently next time.

It should be an eye opener to the non teachers looking at this thread as to what happens when someone like me calls out bad behaviour in the teaching profession. Imagine what that’s like for a young teacher starting out in their career. The abuse I’ve received in this thread is similar to abuse I’ve received in my job for standing up for what’s right.

People reading this can make up their own minds. They can also think about whether they’d like some of the teachers replying to my posts to teach their children.

I have news for you.

Not all ***insert profession here*** worked as hard from home.

Now I hope I am not "abusing" you now....

teachinggal123

History Queen wrote: »

@teachingal, can u please not derail the thread with the same argument, I think you have made it clear that you feel it was a significant amount of teachers who, like yourself, didn't make enough effort. Others, myself included,
feel these teachers were in the minority. Can we all agree at least that our own views are entrenched and no amount of posting/repetition from either side will change our minds (apologies mods if this is overstepping).

Fair enough, but interesting that you accuse me of derailing the thread and yet you ignore the blatant personal abuse and back seat modding by others (arguably yourself included).

Blondini

teachinggal123 wrote: »

..... for standing up for what’s right.

All joking aside, if you genuinely think what you're posting here is standing up for what's right, I am concerned.

Genuinely, log off for the night and have a rethink.

alroley

teachinggal123 wrote: »

I made mistakes and allowed myself to be pressurised by senior staff and the principle. I’m ashamed of that and have learned a lesson ... I’ll do differently next time.

It should be an eye opener to the non teachers looking at this thread as to what happens when someone like me calls out bad behaviour in the teaching profession. Imagine what that’s like for a young teacher starting out in their career. The abuse I’ve received in this thread is similar to abuse I’ve received in my job for standing up for what’s right.

I am a young teacher too. I am going into my third year teaching. At the beginning of lockdown there were more senior staff saying they wouldn't do Zoom classes or any video lessons (they did do them). You know what I thought? "Okay, you do you and I'll do what I want". I didn't care what they thought. My mind was focused on what is best for my students. I'm an adult who makes my own decisions. We all individually have a responsibility to our students.

Jinglejangle69

Purplewaters wrote: »

I pay taxes and don't have kids. By this same logic I should get money back. If I don't use hospitals, do I get more money back again???? Also not receiving any child benefit here. Should really have a child to avail of all this stuff my tax money pays for.

Are you been asked to work in a hospital on top of your other job?

wirelessdude01

alroley wrote: »

I am a young teacher too. I am going into my third year teaching. At the beginning of lockdown there were more senior staff saying they wouldn't do Zoom classes or any video lessons (they did do them). You know what I thought? "Okay, you do you and I'll do what I want". I didn't care what they thought. My mind was focused on what is best for my students. I'm an adult who makes my own decisions. We all individually have a responsibility to our students.

Same in my school. I'm a new but not young teacher. Was the first to use google classroom, first to do zoom stuff. Know I probably ruffled a few feathers amongst the more senior members of staff but I did what I felt was right by the children I teach. Lots of parents very appreciative of the efforts I went to.

alroley

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Are you been asked to work in a hospital on top of your other job?

No one is asking you to work in a school.

History Queen

teachinggal123 wrote: »

Fair enough, but interesting that you accuse me of derailing the thread and yet you ignore the blatant personal abuse and back seat modding by others (arguably yourself included).

I'm only engaging with you directly about this as I've discussed the issues you are bringing up here with you on other threads already. That's all. I don't see the point in going round and round the same arguments over and over again.

In relation to the hassle you have at work, have you tried volunteering on committees and trying to steer new practice? Or asking other colleagues to support you with agenda items at staff meetings? If you are struggling with dealing with bad practice would it be worth speaking to your union rep? From your posts you say you are a younger member of staff in your school, I am moving out of that catagory in my own school now but something that has helped me in the past is trying to build relationships. I often find informal chats over coffee in the staffroom about school issues can help me get my point of view across with more established staff members and meam they'll be more receptive to my suggestions in formal settings like staff meetings, also sometimess it means I'll get a better insight in to why they are so adamemt about something I disagree with, I may not come around to their point of view but it does help when I understand where they got it from.

Jinglejangle69

alroley wrote: »

No one is asking you to work in a school.

Ah here.

You know exactly what I mean.

teachinggal123

History Queen wrote: »

I'm only engaging with you directly about this as I've discussed the issues you are bringing up here with you on other threads already. That's all. I don't see the point in going round and round the same arguments over and over again.

In relation to the hassle you have at work, have you tried volunteering on committees and trying to steer new practice? Or asking other colleagues to support you with agenda items at staff meetings? If you are struggling with dealing with bad practice would it be worth speaking to your union rep? From your posts you say you are a younger member of staff in your school, I am moving out of that catagory in my own school now but something that has helped me in the past is trying to build relationships. I often find informal chats over coffee in the staffroom about school issues can help me get my point of view across with more established staff members and meam they'll be more receptive to my suggestions in formal settings like staff meetings, also sometimess it means I'll get a better insight in to why they are so adamemt about something I disagree with, I may not come around to their point of view but it does help when I understand where they got it from.

Thank you HQ. That is a genuinely helpful post.

Purplewaters

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Are you been asked to work in a hospital on top of your other job?

But it would be similar to administering first aid to your own child not working in a hospital. You're not a trained teacher ans the work would most likely be being provided for you anyway but I think you're missing the point. I pay tax. You pay tax. If your taxes are specifically for your child's schooling then by that logic my tax should be less as I don't have children.

Purplewaters

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Are you been asked to work in a hospital on top of your other job?

I do think its funny that you have a child and yet seem to feel nothing about their education is your responsibility. You feel that you pay tax * the same tax all people pay who also do not have children, so the government should pay you, to administer work to your child if needs be. Sorry but maybe you didn't want the responsibility of a child if you feel everything you do for your child should be paid for by the government to you?? This is just baffling. It is like me treating a cut on my hand and then expecting the government to pay me as the doctor didn't treat it.

Purplewaters

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Ah here.

You know exactly what I mean.

If you have children you get child benefit, your partner got 6 months paid leave. They go to school and receive free education. The sense of entitlement is actually infuriating. Yes this has been hard for parents. But guess what, you already as a person with a child have received more from your taxes than any person without children receives. How about you appreciate that instead of asking the goverment to pay you to help your child with some schoolwork which you should be helping with everyday anyway in normal times

am_zarathustra

I really feel you are in the wrong school. This is absolutely not how staff feel in lots of schools. I'm in charge of ICT in my school and older staff have asked me to help, take a few minutes at lunch to show them something, in lockdown talk over the phone or zoom them and share my screen, whatever was needed. No problem! When it come to family situation, history of the kids complicated behavioral issues or social issues they are the first people I go and ask. Flat out giving young staff advice on mortgages and how to mind themselves and all sorts. People have different skill sets, all of which are valuable in a school. I would really consider if this is a workplace you want to stay in long term. You seem to have realised it didn't bring the best out in you and maybe a more supportive environment would. Trust me, this school is not the norm

mirrorwall14

am_zarathustra wrote: »

I really feel you are in the wrong school. This is absolutely not how staff feel in lots of schools. I'm in charge of ICT in my school and older staff have asked me to help, take a few minutes at lunch to show them something, in lockdown talk over the phone or zoom them and share my screen, whatever was needed. No problem! When it come to family situation, history of the kids complicated behavioral issues or social issues they are the first people I go and ask. Flat out giving young staff advice on mortgages and how to mind themselves and all sorts. People have different skill sets, all of which are valuable in a school. I would really consider if this is a workplace you want to stay in long term. You seem to have realised it didn't bring the best out in you and maybe a more supportive environment would. Trust me, this school is not the norm

This. I’m an experienced teacher now but also a technology addict and known for it. The day we were closed I was up in a classroom with several of our less tech savvy getting them set up and comfortable with using google classroom. There was so many volunteers to help there was one on one with anyone with a question. We had an ICT virtual meeting every day of lockdown for anyone who was free to drop in and ask questions or volunteer help or demonstrate something they found. I loved it, it was like the staffroom!

Was there pressure yes? Our school would be very intense and we are 1:1 iPads so the expectations were high. We did our best to meet them despite childcare issues, broadband issues etc.

Your school if it as described isn’t my normal. And to be fair wouldn’t be like any of the four schools I have experience in. if any staff sat on their hands they were in the minority.

Do some have subjects more suitable to taking it easy? Yes. Did everyone post work at least? (Who wasn’t sick-we had Covid on staff) Yes as far as I could see. We had a huge spreadsheet for parents we all posted their work into so it was visible.

Regardless if anyone didn’t pull their weight it’s none of my business, I don’t know what’s going on in their lives.

You need to move schools or professions. This constant pulling this thread off topic is incredibly annoying

average_runner

Schools in Scotland back today. What's the difference in their setup to ours?

Bananaleaf

teachinggal123 wrote: »

Thank you HQ. That is a genuinely helpful post.

Can I also add that in my experience, the best way to encourage/coax colleagues to improve their teaching/ICT use is to give them some of my resources (or a template for them if it is a different subject). Usually, once they see (a) how it works and (b) how the students respond to it, they are sold.

Bananaleaf

average_runner wrote: »

Schools in Scotland back today. What's the difference in their setup to ours?

It was posted here a couple of posts back. I'll have a look to see if I can find it and will edit this post to include it for you

Edited to add the following:

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

I note that schools in Scotland resume tomorrow. This is their approach so we will have the guts of three weeks to see how it's working for them before our lot go back.

https://www.gov.scot/binaries/content/documents/govscot/publications/advice-and-guidance/2020/07/coronavirus-covid-19-guidance-preparing-start-new-school-term-august-2020/documents/reopening-schools-guidance-summary-version/reopening-schools-guidance-summary-version/govscot%3Adocument/reopening-schools-guidance-summary-version.pdf

average_runner

Bananaleaf wrote: »

It was posted here a couple of posts back. I'll have a look to see if I can find it and will edit this post to include it for you

Edited to add the following:

Doesn't seem to be much in it except common sense.

wirelessdude01

average_runner wrote: »

Doesn't seem to be much in it except common sense.

You forgot to mention the wing and a prayer part.

average_runner

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

You forgot to mention the wing and a prayer part.

Its hard to know what is right and wrong, but I am happy with the approach our school has taken.


What is wrong, is schools waiting till now to tell people we don't need uniforms, most had bought them already and some were probably struggling to afford it.



Our school told us to hold off, last May till we see what happens. Some schools are in touch with reality, some aren't sadly.