FF/FG/Green Next Government

My Jaysus..... and some folk would try to tell you the country is on its knees.


“How is it going Joxer...... aaaah struhhglinn , mate , sthrugglinn”.

Bowie wrote: »

No allegations.
Even on the cooked books of FG/Murphy it was getting worse.
When everyone including government recognises theres a crisis, theres a crisis.

You are making allegations to make light of a crisis. Nice.
FG polices exacerbated the problems. You can tell by the way things got continually worse.

To quote Kenny, we need to change the way we do business' it's not just a FG problem.

Why the foolish allegation of cooking the books? As you have already identified as a Sinn Fein supporter and accordingly someone happy with all the "baggage" (to use a neutral phrase) that goes with that; it adds nothing to your argument or credibility to wheel out the old Trump strategy of sowing the idea that everyone is corrupt.

Bowie wrote: »

It's a fact under Murphy the changed what constitutes being homeless. This brought the numbers down. Then they went back up. I call that cooking the books.
I vote for SF when the mood takes me. If they had policies I didnt like I wouldn't. That's the difference. You are trying to infer some bias. My only bias is I don't like incompetence and cronyism. You are trying to dismiss sound criticism by inferring a bias based on party loyalty. This is not the case. Tackle the criticism not your imagined biases. Be honest. Play the ball not the man. SF aren't as important to me as they are to you.

Think your last sentence is the most relevant.

It is very important to me that Sinn Fein who I regard as criminals and charlatans never get near power. You will overlook who they are on the basis of whatever they promise you.

I am prepared to deal with the fact that there are incompetents and chancers in every party but not to accept the Sinn Fein notion peddled so often here that there is some kind of institutionalised corruption in other parties.

Save a few individuals in every party I think most politicians want to do the best they can. I do not include Sinn Fein in that because 90% of their membership joined when it was run by Gerry Adams, a sinister malevolent director of murder and thuggery. So 90% the members they have are good with that so long as there is something in it for them. The other 10% are either good with that too or genuinely believe that poor Mary Lou is running something. On that I am with the Garda Commissioner

I don't like SF at all, but our combined FFG government have nearly snuffed out in less than a year through coronavirus negligence, the same number of people the IRA killed during the entire Troubles - and it's not merely an incompetent form of negligence, nor were these deaths unavoidable - it's negligence through choosing the economy over lives (and then having to shut down the economy anyway despite that choice...).

SF I believe are fully capable of being as corrupt as FF/FG - in their own different/unique way - but the entire history of the state has been marred with continuous repetitve corruption from FF/FG.

As corrupt as SF are, the only good thing to say about that, is that they haven't gotten to exercise that corruption while in power yet, the way FF/FG have. Which they no doubt will if they get into power - and which I have no expectation of being worse than FF/FG, who have had most of a century to hone their craft of corruption while rotating in power (and you can certainly see up North, the incompetence of how corruption is executed up there - where parties down South look like machiavellian masters in comparison).

Dail recall some day this week to vote on New restrictions?

markodaly wrote: »

Maybe, but if its the case, then we only have ourselves to blame.
The government gives advice, some people follow it, some don't and then people want to blame the government...
At the end of the day personal responsibility comes into it. If everyone wore a mask and didn't act like dicks then we would be OK.

Personal responsibility!!!!!

These lads wouldn’t know anything about that .

Bunch of stults wandering around seem to know nothing about what YOUR responsibilities are but are PHDs in knowledge of their entitlements.

Incredible....

Yurt! wrote: »

Lordy. Personal responsibility.

The countries that have outperformed in the pandemic (I'm thinking of places like Taiwan, NZ, South Korea), did so because they were organised, systematic, had hard measures at their border to mitigate case importation and community spread and communicated with their populace extremely effectively.

Kiwis or Taiwanese aren't a better class of human that practice Betty Boothroyd personal responsibility, they had an organised government and civil service that acted fast, and acted correctly.

Terminator 2 quotes don't crush a pandemic spread, organisation and implementation does.

Certian posters here also apparently find nothing wrong with meat plants acting the maggot and government being obseqious to the industry.

As I said in another thread, do you think we could have closed the border with NI?
Once you realise the answer to that you will find that we are in a different situation to NZ or Taiwan or South Korea.

markodaly wrote: »

No, what you are posting.

You have dozens upon dozens of posts giving out about government measures which is actually policy based on the advice of NPHET.
It makes you look like Alex Jones.

Dozens of posts about the government on a thread about the government.

I'm shocked!

markodaly wrote: »

Dozens of posts criticizing NPHET by proxy with no other science to back him up.

Where and when did NPHET advise Leo that the virus would be history in 3 months or a quarter, because he is saying that was why they threw billions at it.