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Covid 19 Part XX-26,644 in ROI (1,772 deaths) 6,064 in NI (556 deaths) (08/08)Read OP

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  • #8552
    lawrencesummers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,867 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


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    tom1ie wrote: »
    It’s not a lockdown

    Potato potato.


  • #8553
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    The experiment of trying to suppress the virus and gradually reopen without mandatory quarantine has not worked anywhere.
    The reason Italy hasn't started to resurge is because they are still in a moderate level of stringency.
    You can see below that NZ is back to normal (with exception of borders).

    Replicating this would be best option unless we are happy with perpetual local lockdowns or long term health consequences in the pop.


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  • #8554
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    You can see the counties so far here. Italy is only one not growing fast and has strictest restrictions.

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  • #8555
    tom1ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,134 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    froog wrote: »
    Worldometer. The 7 day average globally is now moving downwards for daily cases.

    It’s plateaued and daily deaths are rising in the 7 day average.


  • #8556
    froog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭froog


    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    You specifically mentioned April. I answered.

    I said we dont have the level of lockdown we had in april. You saw April and made up your own interpretation.


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  • #8557
    owlbethere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭owlbethere


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Easy school.

    Schools will be a nightmare. Some parents always saw schools as a childminding facility instead of the education centres that they are. Some parents will be rewriting the guidelines to suit themselves and sending their little children into school with 'just a little cold'. Temperatures probably hidden with a dose of calpol at breakfast. All to offload their children and get some free childcare for the day.


  • #8558
    froog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭froog


    tom1ie wrote: »
    It’s plateaued and daily deaths are rising in the 7 day average.

    daily cases 7 day average. that line is moving down.

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    daily deaths 7 day average. that line has plateaued. i was incorrect to say it was going down but it will follow the cases trend in time i am confident.

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  • #8559
    smelly sock
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,820 ✭✭✭smelly sock


    These restrictions are savage for the local economy. Its disgusting really that ordinary people suffer yet the meat factory owners are let off scott free.


  • #8560
    GooglePlus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,010 ✭✭✭GooglePlus


    smelly sock wrote: »
    These restrictions are savage for the local economy. Its disgusting really that ordinary people suffer yet the meat factory owners are let off scott free.

    What do you propose we do to the owners of the factory?


  • #8561
    owlbethere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭owlbethere


    smelly sock wrote: »
    These restrictions are savage for the local economy. Its disgusting really that ordinary people suffer yet the meat factory owners are let off scott free.

    More should be done with health and safety checks. They should be a hotline set up from the hse for people to phone if their employers are breaking the guidelines on social distancing and failing to implement social distancing and hygiene measures. I know a lad and he's gas. He doesn't tolerate any bullsh1t from employers. If he was working there he would have the place shut down if guidelines weren't implemented.


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  • #8562
    tom1ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,134 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    froog wrote: »
    daily cases 7 day average. that line is moving down.

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    daily deaths 7 day average. that line has plateaued. i was incorrect to say it was going down but it will follow the cases trend in time i am confident.

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    The daily death line is clearly going up.
    There is a very slight downward trend in daily cases.


  • #8563
    J Mysterio
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,194 ✭✭✭✭J Mysterio


    fritzelly wrote: »
    Yeah - nursing home and the ilk always have it warm as hell
    Like being in work and the girls complaining its too cold when they are just wearing a bra and all the men are sweating their balls off

    Tell me where you work please, I would like to visit.


  • #8564
    smelly sock
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,820 ✭✭✭smelly sock


    Obrien fine foods up until 2 days ago where advertising jobs with local GAA clubs in Kildare knowing full well about the high rate of covid infections in their factory.

    Thst is scummy and they should be made to answer why. Its because profits are more important that peoples health.


  • #8565
    Onesea
    Closed Accounts Posts: 475 ✭✭Onesea


    smelly sock wrote: »
    Obrien fine foods up until 2 days ago where advertising jobs with local GAA clubs in Kildare knowing full well about the high rate of covid ingections in their factory.

    Thst is scummy and they should be made to answer why. Its because profits are more important that peoples health.

    I wonder if I stood in that meat factory and looked at workers what would I see. A bunch of people sneezing and suffering from shortness of breath?


  • #8566
    smelly sock
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,820 ✭✭✭smelly sock


    Onesea wrote: »
    I wonder if I stood in that meat factory and looked at workers what would I see. A bunch of people sneezing and suffering from shortness of breath?

    The owners and bosses knew of the high rate of infections from testing. Did they not?


  • #8567
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    tom1ie wrote: »
    All I ever hear on this thread is yeah but if you exclude this, yeah but if you include this!
    Ffs the numbers are the numbers and they aren’t great!

    That's not how you analyse numbers.


  • #8568
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    In all new cases, if we assume nursing homes are protected:
    And we exclude anybody over age 65+ the hospitalization rate would be 7.7%.
    Excluding anyone over 74, the hospitalization rate would be 9.8%

    Of those tested.


  • #8569
    smelly sock
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,820 ✭✭✭smelly sock


    polesheep wrote: »
    That's not how you analyse numbers.

    I actially think NOHET like to confuse matter even further with complicated graphics and charts. The ordinary person on the street doesnt understand them.


  • #8570
    mandrake04
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,435 ✭✭✭mandrake04


    owlbethere wrote: »
    More should be done with health and safety checks. They should be a hotline set up from the hse for people to phone if their employers are breaking the guidelines on social distancing and failing to implement social distancing and hygiene measures. I know a lad and he's gas. He doesn't tolerate any bullsh1t from employers. If he was working there he would have the place shut down if guidelines weren't implemented.

    A lot of the employees that work in these places are immigrants, they are low paid and probably don't have much sick pay and any holiday leave I'm sure they prefer to save to return to visit family. They also tend to live and soacialise in their own groups.

    If they are sick they are reluctant to admit they are sick and ignore advice to stay at home because they cant afford it, its not their country so they dont give a damn about the ramifications of spreading the disease and the effect on the economy.

    Im sure the factory would take precautions to avoid being closed down as there is no profit in that, but they are at the mercy of their employees.


  • #8571
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    tom1ie wrote: »
    People are already talking about effects they have had for 9 months (even though they weren’t hospitalised) and are showing no signs of improving.

    That’s not that hard to understand.
    I’m not just talking about ireland but GLOBALLY.

    People also talk about seeing aliens. I prefer medical science myself.


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  • #8572
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,539 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    smelly sock wrote: »
    I actially think NOHET like to confuse matter even further with complicated graphics and charts. The ordinary person on the street doesnt understand them.

    https://twitter.com/President_MU/status/1291811125147967488

    Yeah, been staring at this for 14 hours, not a scooby doo what it means.


  • #8573
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    10th of July. Special Committee. Covid response.

    Matt Carthy: "Siptu have indicated that if there is a second wave then it'll emerge from a meat plant"

    Whatever your political leanings they should be put to one side during this crisis. Fair play to him for raising it.
    They wouldn't even respond to Union concerns.

    How is this not criminal when 3 counties are now in lockdown again. Talk about preventable and predictable.

    https://twitter.com/mattcarthy/status/1291693959228661760?s=20


  • #8574
    WoollyRedHat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,462 ✭✭✭✭WoollyRedHat


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    10th of July. Special Committee. Covid response.

    Matt Carthy: "Siptu have indicated that if there is a second wave then it'll emerge from a meat plant"

    Whatever your political leanings they should be put to one side during this crisis. Fair play to him for raising it.
    They wouldn't even respond to Union concerns.

    How is this not criminal when 3 counties are now in lockdown again. Talk about preventable and predictable.

    https://twitter.com/mattcarthy/status/1291693959228661760?s=20

    I had to replay that because I couldn't believe what was coming out of his mouth.

    **** these guys, the lack of disregard is stunning and I hope our health authorities come down on them like a ton of bricks.


  • #8575
    Onesea
    Closed Accounts Posts: 475 ✭✭Onesea


    smelly sock wrote: »
    The owners and bosses knew of the high rate of infections from testing. Did they not?

    That's not the point I am addressing. Soon enough you will wake up to the fact of what needs to be done. No other option but follow Sweden approach.The average Joe ain't got the mental strength to wait for a vaccine.
    The governments daily knee jerk reactions and historic death releases are worn thin.
    Sweden,copy their method and fast.


    Cancer, suicide, crime, drugs, depression. These ailments will ruin society faster than this "plauge".


  • #8576
    YFlyer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,717 ✭✭✭YFlyer


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    I know, just like America, cases rising and deaths falling.... oh wait there was a lag in deaths, it's not like that now.

    I'm well aware of the lag period.

    Heard the spike in infections could be due to large number of asymptomatic cases in the community.


  • #8577
    Loafing Oaf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,889 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Onesea wrote: »
    Cancer, suicide, crime, drugs, depression. These ailments will ruin society faster than this "plauge".

    Pure speculation. Any actual evidence of an uptick in any of these, several months into the pandemic?


  • #8578
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Onesea wrote: »
    That's not the point I am addressing. Soon enough you will wake up to the fact of what needs to be done. No other option but follow Sweden approach.The average Joe ain't got the mental strength to wait for a vaccine.
    The governments daily knee jerk reactions and historic death releases are worn thin.
    Sweden,copy their method and fast.


    Cancer, suicide, crime, drugs, depression. These ailments will ruin society faster than this "plauge".

    No offence but I'm not sure that's a great idea at this point when we don't know the following.
    • reinfection seasonally ? -> seasonal lockdowns
    • longterm damage -> massive burden and cost on health care system and shorter lives

    I'd actually be open to Sweden approach if they were known and shown to not be an issue. Until then I'd let them figure it out on their population.
    Why are so many corona patients struggling with lingering symptoms? Sweden wants to find out

    Swedish health authorities are investigating the long-term effects of the coronavirus, after many patients reported that although they were suffering a relatively mild illness their symptoms refused to go away.

    The Swedish National Board of Health and Welfare (Socialstyrelsen) is together with the Swedish Agency for Health Technology Assessment and Assessment of Social Services (SBU) collecting more information about the long-term effects of the coronavirus and how it affects patients.

    "The absolutely best thing would be to find information on treatment to shorten or cure the condition of people who get long-term illness," Thomas Lindén, head of the department that curates information for Swedish healthcare at the National Board of Health and Welfare, told the TT news agency.

    https://www.thelocal.se/20200714/sweden-to-investigate-why-so-many-corona-patients-struggle-with-lasting-symptoms


  • #8579
    seanb85
    Closed Accounts Posts: 189 ✭✭seanb85


    Is there anything to be said for putting cameras in the meat factories that the HSA could just check anytime they want.


  • #8580
    YFlyer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,717 ✭✭✭YFlyer


    fritzelly wrote: »
    Japan was off the radar til the Olympics were cancelled - coincidence, I think not...

    The Olympics was cancelled way back. The sharp rise in infection is recently.


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  • #8581
    Onesea
    Closed Accounts Posts: 475 ✭✭Onesea


    Loafing Oaf wrote: »
    Pure speculation. Any actual evidence of an uptick in any of these, several months into the pandemic?

    The future, not the past few months.

    Hands up who is out of work?


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