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Covid 19 Part XX-26,644 in ROI (1,772 deaths) 6,064 in NI (556 deaths) (08/08)Read OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,427 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Thierry12 wrote: »
    Read up on Japan

    Nothing like the US

    It's the same as any 2nd wave, cases go up and eventually deaths follow. Hopefully not to the same extent as the first wave, but nobody is invincible.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,462 ✭✭✭✭WoollyRedHat


    What happens when it’s Cork, Offaly, Clare and Kerry?

    Wear protection as always:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,319 ✭✭✭Sammy2012


    MD1990 wrote: »

    He now knows how the farmers feel. They have been suffering at the hands of frank mallon and Larry Goodman for years.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 979 ✭✭✭Thierry12


    MD1990 wrote: »

    You have to feel for him

    Its absolute bull**** that mini lockdown and killing businesses

    Complete waste of time


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 949 ✭✭✭Renjit


    Damn, Japan was really off the radar. And now I see it.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 596 ✭✭✭majcos


    Thierry12 wrote: »
    What if thats always been that way?

    Google says we have 2000 active/not recovered cases right now

    If 10 in hospital, thats 0.5% hospitalisation rate from covid

    We had 3,300 in hospital total

    660,000 people/11% of the country have had Covid?
    Right. It has always been that way. Would be guessing at numbers but hopefully it means that there is more immunity from among those who have had in March, April, and May and were asymptomatic and had a mild form that didn’t meet the criteria for testing at that time.

    With any pandemic or indeed any new disease, the sickest declare themselves first. They are obvious and get tested first so the case fatality rate is highest in the beginning and then falls as less severe cases are recognised and testing is more easily available. Screening people with no symptoms then drops the case fatality rate even lower.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,077 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    MD1990 wrote: »

    Very hard to blame him for being angry

    Just getting a business back up and running then pulled from him again


  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 78,458 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    Freedoms being taken away, mandated muzzle being imposed on people, restriction of movements, all being pushed through by decree without any debate or any resistance because 19 people contracted this unremarkable virus??? But by all means rush to show your compliance.
    Banned from the masks thread because of all this "muzzle" crap and now banned from posting again in this thread


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,139 ✭✭✭What Username Guidelines




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,134 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    Yes definitely

    Ok then. So not a lockdown at all. Merely a slight restriction......,


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 979 ✭✭✭Thierry12


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    It's the same as any 2nd wave, cases go up and eventually deaths follow. Hopefully not to the same extent as the first wave, but nobody is invincible.

    Japans has a very low death rate and that will remain imo

    37 million people live in Tokyo and only one thousand have died of Covid there, they've had way more cases than us and less death

    More people died in 2019 than in 2020 there

    They don't seem too worried about it


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,089 ✭✭✭Non solum non ambulabit


    Renjit wrote: »
    Damn, Japan was really off the radar. And now I see it.

    Running at the equivalent to Ireland of a 7 day average of just over 50 a day


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,311 ✭✭✭gipi


    What happens when it’s Cork, Offaly, Clare and Kerry?

    They'll include Limerick, just to be polite.....#clockdown :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,949 ✭✭✭ChikiChiki


    MD1990 wrote: »

    Know him well. A very decent man. Heart goes out to him.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,427 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Thierry12 wrote: »
    What if thats always been that way?

    Google says we have 2000 active/not recovered cases right now

    If 10 in hospital, thats 0.5% hospitalisation rate from covid

    We had 3,300 in hospital total

    660,000 people/11% of the country have had Covid?

    Those figures exclude deaths and previous hospitalizations.
    And you're using current hospital numbers and outdated recovered cases..... totally wrong.
    As of midnight August 5th, we've had:
    26,372 Cases, of which 3,362 were hospitalized.
    That's 12.74% need hospital care, or 1 in 8 confirmed cases.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 979 ✭✭✭Thierry12


    majcos wrote: »
    Right. It has always been that way. Would be guessing at numbers but hopefully it means that there is more immunity from among those who have had in March, April, and May and were asymptomatic and had a mild form that didn’t meet the criteria for testing at that time.

    With any pandemic or indeed any new disease, the sickest declare themselves first. They are obvious and get tested first so the case fatality rate is highest in the beginning and then falls as less severe cases are recognised and testing is more easily available. Screening people with no symptoms then drops the case fatality rate even lower.

    If 11% of the country have had it and 1500 have died, the death rate is 0.025% or 99.75% survival rate


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,157 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Renjit wrote: »
    Damn, Japan was really off the radar. And now I see it.

    Japan was off the radar til the Olympics were cancelled - coincidence, I think not...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,046 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    Sammy2012 wrote: »
    He now knows how the farmers feel. They have been suffering at the hands of frank mallon and Larry Goodman for years.

    Exactly. Maybe he and his łike are now feeling a bit of the pressure that farmers etc have been under


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 596 ✭✭✭majcos


    Thierry12 wrote: »
    Japans has a very low death rate and that will remain imo

    37 million people live in Tokyo and only one thousand have died of Covid there, they've had way more cases than us and less death

    More people died in 2019 than in 2020 there

    They don't seem too worried about it
    Skinnier?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,427 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Thierry12 wrote: »
    Japans has a very low death rate and that will remain imo

    37 million people live in Tokyo and only one thousand have died of Covid there, they've had way more cases than us and less death

    More people died in 2019 than in 2020 there

    They don't seem too worried about it

    No matter how low the date rate is, it's based on a % of confirmed cases, the more cases you have the more deaths you will have.

    There's a few countries who have had more deaths in the 2nd peak than their first. Countries who some felt had it under control.
    Israel & Australia have both had a second peak and more deaths during their second peak than their first..... they have had more cases in their second peak than their first.... see a correlational there?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 979 ✭✭✭Thierry12


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    Those figures exclude deaths and previous hospitalizations.
    And you're using current hospital numbers and outdated recovered cases..... totally wrong.
    As of midnight August 5th, we've had:
    26,372 Cases, of which 3,362 were hospitalized.
    That's 12.74% need hospital care, or 1 in 8 confirmed cases.

    Way more than 26,372 had Covid

    Magnitudes more

    Look at all the asymptomatic cases we found in last few days


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,290 ✭✭✭alwald


    MD1990 wrote: »

    He has every right to be angry, and quite frankly, this new government hasn't taken enough serious/proactive actions, and I am not talking about throwing money left right and center, to mitigate against the impact of C-19 (Schools, high risk industries,...).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,427 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Thierry12 wrote: »
    Way more than 26,372 had Covid

    Magnitudes more

    Look at all the asymptomatic cases we found in last few days

    It's confirmed cases, of course we missed a significant number of cases, nobody is questioning that.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 979 ✭✭✭Thierry12


    majcos wrote: »
    Skinnier?

    Possibly ;-)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,032 ✭✭✭✭pgj2015


    majcos wrote: »
    Skinnier?

    not the sumo wrestlers anyway. id say the Japanese are a lot healthier than us though, they have a way better diet, a lot of fish, most Irish people would throw up if you put a fish in front of them, unless it was covered in batter.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 116 ✭✭Solli


    Japanese understand the importance of ventilation. Quoting from link below:
    (Japan) implemented an unconventional response, bucking WHO guidelines, eschewing widespread testing, and forcing few formal lockdowns. However, Japan masked up early, focused on super-spreader events (a strategy it calls “cluster busting”), and, crucially, trained its public to focus on avoiding the three C’s—closed spaces, crowded places, and close conversations. In other words, exactly the places where airborne transmission and aerosols could pose a risk. The Japanese were advised not to talk on the subway, where windows were kept open. O****ani said they also developed guidelines that included the importance of ventilation in many different settings, such as bars, restaurants, and gyms. Six months later, despite having some of the earliest outbreaks, ultradense cities, and one of the oldest populations in the world, Japan has had about 1,000 COVID-19 deaths total—which is how many the United States often has in a single day.
    Link: https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/07/why-arent-we-talking-more-about-airborne-transmission/614737/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 596 ✭✭✭majcos


    Thierry12 wrote: »
    If 11% of the country have had it and 1500 have died, the death rate is 0.025% or 99.75% survival rate
    Cannot guess at the actual numbers or percentages in terms of recovery and fatality rates yet but I am agreeing that the hospitalisation rate of 20% seen in the early period will thankfully not be any way near the hospitalisation rate we will see as milder and asymptomatic cases are diagnosed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,134 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    No matter how low the date rate is, it's based on a % of confirmed cases, the more cases you have the more deaths you will have.

    There's a few countries who have had more deaths in the 2nd peak than their first. Countries who some felt had it under control.
    Israel & Australia have both had a second peak and more deaths during their second peak than their first..... they have had more cases in their second peak than their first.... see a correlational there?

    The only thing that makes peaks is lockdowns.
    Eg you get a first wave then you lockdown a couple of weeks later cases flatline.
    You open back up, eventually you peak again then you lockdown.
    Only thing that made a peak is the lockdown otherwise it’d be an outta control exponential curve.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,344 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    GDY151


    We have nursing homes and hospitals heated to a crazy 25 degrees plus in the middle of summer, worst possible places to control a virus.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 596 ✭✭✭majcos


    Thierry12 wrote: »
    Way more than 26,372 had Covid

    Magnitudes more

    Look at all the asymptomatic cases we found in last few days
    Hopefully. It is good thing if way more have had it - that means the actual hospitalisation rate of cases and the fatality rate we have seen to date is much lower.


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