Covid 19 Part XX-26,644 in ROI (1,772 deaths) 6,064 in NI (556 deaths) (08/08)Read OP

caveat emptor · 07-08-2020 02:26AM

Asymptomatic spread is real. Viral load the same.

https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1291545589310783491?s=20

Strumms · 07-08-2020 02:38AM

Interesting. I had no idea but there ‘can’ be and are a high number of illness which for many people can be asymptomatic. HIV being one, hepatitis, monkeypox....

fritzelly · 07-08-2020 02:42AM

Strumms wrote: »

Interesting. I had no idea but there ‘can’ be and are a high number of illness which for many people can be asymptomatic. HIV being one, hepatitis, monkeypox....

How many of them are spread by coughing, sneezing, touching something with a contaminated hand, even just breathing on someone...and so on

Answer is none

caveat emptor · 07-08-2020 02:48AM

This thing is goldilocks bad.
Kills just enough people to worry about.
Spreads quietly enough that you don't notice it's happening.
Incubation period is long enough to not realise it's already happening.
Doesn't spread so bad but sometimes infects a whole factory/ciinema/school
then what ? ''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''

sure life goes on...^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
until you need to go to hospital with some other ailment and then you can't.
international travel is fine til it isn't.
then what

looks like a crocodile.

Strumms · 07-08-2020 02:53AM

fritzelly wrote: »

How many of them are spread by coughing, sneezing, touching something with a contaminated hand, even just breathing on someone...and so on

Answer is none

The answer is... several from what I’m reading... a real eye opener

. Whooping Cough is one. 58,700 deaths worldwide were attributed to Whooping Cough in 2016.

Strumms · 07-08-2020 02:57AM

caveat emptor wrote: »

This thing is goldilocks bad.
Kills just enough people to worry about.
Spreads quietly enough that you don't notice it's happening.
Incubation period is long enough to not realise it's already happening.
Doesn't spread so bad but sometimes infects a whole factory/ciinema/school
then what ? ''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''

sure life goes on...^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
until you need to go to hospital with some other ailment and then you can't.
international travel is fine til it isn't.
then what

looks like a crocodile.

It’s almost like ‘the perfect disease’. Pure sci-fi stuff. It’s like being in a fûckin grim early 1990’s sci-fi film.

fritzelly · 07-08-2020 02:59AM

Strumms wrote: »

The answer is... several from what I’m reading... a real eye opener . Whooping Cough is one. 58,700 deaths worldwide were attributed to Whooping Cough in 2016.

Okay - keep changing the criteria

You've gone from (non easy to transmit) viruses to bacteria now (whooping cough which has a vaccine)

Need to come up with better scare stories for bedtime reading

caveat emptor · 07-08-2020 03:18AM

Wow aerosol generating procedures are not the only way
aerosols with viable virus created. Breathing will do it.
I've said this for ages in relation to Health care workers and PPE.
PPE guidelines and guidance unequivocally wrong.
Might go some way to explain te 8K plus infect (32 % of all cases).
Please heed this understanding in context of schools.

Findings Viable virus was isolated from air samples collected
2 to 4.8m away from the patients. The genome sequence
of the SARS-CoV-2 strain isolated from the material collected
by the air samplers was identical to that isolated from the
NP swab from the patient with an active infection.
Estimates of viable viral concentrations ranged
from 6 to 74 TCID50 units/L of air.

Interpretation Patients with respiratory manifestations of COVID-19 produce aerosols in the absence of
aerosol-generating procedures that contain viable SARS-CoV-2, and these aerosols may serve as a source of transmission of the virus.

https://twitter.com/linseymarr/status/1291460193713364996?s=20

fritzelly · 07-08-2020 03:23AM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Wow aerosol generating procedures are not the only way
aerosols with viable virus created. Breathing will do it.
I've said this for ages in relation to Health care workers and PPE.
PPE guidelines and guidance unequivocally wrong.
Might go some way to explain te 8K plus infect (32 % of all cases).
Please heed this understanding in context of schools.

And yet hospitals screw the windows shut - never understood that
Why build hospitals with windows if you never open them? Saw a study somewhere that there were less infections and complications when windows were open (fresh air good for you and all that)

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-22269698

eagle eye · 07-08-2020 03:24AM

It's looking like we are heading backwards although the mask law should help.
Thing is too many people have this idea that everything will be fine in their circles which are growing again.
You just cannot trust everybody to be responsible enough. It's like if it's not necessary you should not be doing it.
And if it is necessary then you go through the ABC's everytime like keeping your hands clean, wearing masks and social distancing. I've seen so many people of late letting their standards slip.

owlbethere · 07-08-2020 03:41AM

igCorcaigh wrote: »

What I don't understand is why essential health services like cancer screening and treatment have been put on hold.

Obviously there is a risk/benefit analysis being made, but it just seems so wrong to me.

Health care professionals were particularly prone to this infection. There is news about long covid. It's quite possible staff numbers are not available due to people out being sick.

Quantum Erasure · 07-08-2020 05:01AM

MOR316 wrote: »

He makes a point about not wearing masks in restaurants. How do you suggest eating and drinking with one on?

Do you normally go to restaurants with a mask and eat and drink with it on? Or, do you just go, wear a mask and eat and drink nothing?

I'm curious...

Went into town, big queues outside restaurants, no masks, no social distancing. Personal responsibility would defeat this virus, some people are ruining this for us all

it's 'wear masks where social distancing may be difficult', eg. public transport, shops, busy streets, queues where social distancing isn't being observed....

stephenjmcd · 07-08-2020 06:31AM

Towns and local regions face being locked down to protect the rest of the country from the spread of Covid-19.

Taoiseach Micheál Martin said localised lockdowns may be introduced rather than a nationwide quarantine if the rate of infection continues to rise.

In an interview with the Irish Independent, Mr Martin said the Government had learned from the first lockdown and there would now be “different types of responses to outbreaks”.

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/towns-face-localised-lockdowns-to-spare-country-if-cases-surge-39430139.html

spookwoman · 07-08-2020 07:39AM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Asymptomatic spread is real. Viral load the same.

https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1291545589310783491?s=20

Was reading about that last night on France24, small number but worrying with a lot of the contact tracing is asymptomatic

https://www.france24.com/en/20200806-asymptomatic-coronavirus-carriers-have-high-viral-loads-study

07-08-2020 07:41AM

completedit wrote: »

As someone who actively disobeyed Govt. Rules( I went away for a weekend and didn't quarantine when back) I do care. However, instead of quarantining, I wore a mask in the proper places, I kept my movements to a minimum. However, if I had to do something or wanted to do something I went. I went for pints one night outside in a beer garden. I assessed the risk and made my own informed decision about the best course of action.

The reality is this is going to be with us for a long time to come.

You made your own informed decision for everyone you met? If you had tested positive would you wearing a mask have meant that anyone you met would not have been required to isolate and go for a test?

JRant · 07-08-2020 07:42AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Towns and local regions face being locked down to protect the rest of the country from the spread of Covid-19.

Taoiseach Micheál Martin said localised lockdowns may be introduced rather than a nationwide quarantine if the rate of infection continues to rise.

In an interview with the Irish Independent, Mr Martin said the Government had learned from the first lockdown and there would now be “different types of responses to outbreaks”.

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/towns-face-localised-lockdowns-to-spare-country-if-cases-surge-39430139.html

I read that and the first thing I thought was "he's some spoofer". They will absolutely 100% reintroduce a nationwide lockdown, with all the businesses who opened in Phase 3 being forced to close, while the actual sources of these clusters will be allowed to stay open as they will be deemed "essential".

07-08-2020 07:43AM

Hego Damask wrote: »

Exactly, you see these idiots running up to people without masks screaming at them (taking off their mask to do so ....) slobbering and spitting about 100000000000000000000 individual covid viruses (if they have it....)

Some people are f*cking loving this sh*t, it finally gives their lives some importance, have you seen the COVID 19 COMPLIANCE OFFICER high vis vest ?

Imagine the dangerous dangerous little Hitler that would want to have that job ?

Type of **** that failed at the police exams, failed at being a bouncer ... and until now was working in Donaghmede shopping center as a bored security guard.

Covid 19 compliance officer is likely someone working on a building site of in an office who was told that was there new role and handed a hi vis. Dangerous little Hitler - your some Gobsh**e

07-08-2020 07:47AM

completedit wrote: »

Hego Damask wrote: »

Exactly, you see these idiots running up to people without masks screaming at them (taking off their mask to do so ....) slobbering and spitting about 100000000000000000000 individual covid viruses (if they have it....)

Some people are f*cking loving this sh*t, it finally gives their lives some importance, have you seen the COVID 19 COMPLIANCE OFFICER high vis vest ?

Imagine the dangerous dangerous little Hitler that would want to have that job ?

Type of **** that failed at the police exams, failed at being a bouncer ... and until now was working in Donaghmede shopping center as a bored security

It's absolutely true. Tyrants, they're the exact sames ones who absolutely revel with the idea that they can justifably let out their anger on the outside words on the grounds of 'public safety' I'm reading a book atm about Nazi Germany called 'Alone in Berlin', and it's full of these sorts.

You read a book and can now judge that someone who has been given a job to do is a tyrannical Nazi...hmmmm

spookwoman · 07-08-2020 07:55AM

Deleted User wrote: »

completedit wrote: »

You read a book and can now judge that someone who has been given a job to do is a tyrannical Nazi...hmmmm

Not Nazi's, they are west brits the jobs were given to

Boggles · 07-08-2020 08:20AM

On this thread if you don't back up your views with published scientific evidence and that has to be peer reviewed scientific evidence and not peer reviewed by just anyone it has to be the right peer reviewers, or it's called BS.

In response to a journalist question last night, the Acting CMO told him to "google it".

That did make me chuckle, that Glynn wouldn't last 5 fúcking minutes around here.

is_that_so · 07-08-2020 08:30AM

JRant wrote: »

I read that and the first thing I thought was "he's some spoofer". They will absolutely 100% reintroduce a nationwide lockdown, with all the businesses who opened in Phase 3 being forced to close, while the actual sources of these clusters will be allowed to stay open as they will be deemed "essential".

In conjunction with "people of the midlands" from Glynn, it's more of an appeal to common sense. Martin's approach is a tendency to float the nuclear option. As long as those cases stabilise and it doesn't spread widely through the community that shouldn't happen.

Pitch n Putt · 07-08-2020 08:36AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Towns and local regions face being locked down to protect the rest of the country from the spread of Covid-19.

Taoiseach Micheál Martin said localised lockdowns may be introduced rather than a nationwide quarantine if the rate of infection continues to rise.

In an interview with the Irish Independent, Mr Martin said the Government had learned from the first lockdown and there would now be “different types of responses to outbreaks”.

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/towns-face-localised-lockdowns-to-spare-country-if-cases-surge-39430139.html

Taoiseach Snake Martin can say whatever he likes people can see right through him. Grade A spoofer.

Regional lockdowns are a great idea if spread gets out of hand. They can lockdown every region if they like but won’t make any difference once they leave the ducking airport open to incoming foreign travel.

Jimmy from tullamore won’t be able to go outside the door but anyone landing in Dublin airport can do what they like once the sign a lovely sheet of paper.

It’s so obvious and clear where to start but these idiots who are (in charge) can’t even see that.

We’re going to continue to follow the Uk regional lockdowns and mandatory mask wearing when the major transmission is under control being two instances of this.

spookwoman · 07-08-2020 08:36AM

is_that_so wrote: »

In conjunction with "people of the midlands" from Glynn, it's more of an appeal to common sense. Martin's approach is a tendency to float the nuclear option. As long as those cases stabilise and it doesn't spread widely through the community that shouldn't happen.

Chap last night from one of the counties with the outbreaks said there was 6 cases in his neighbourhood.

wadacrack · 07-08-2020 08:42AM

Theirs a lag with symptoms too, so possibly lot more asymptomatic transmission occuring than is being picked. Cases look like they could be very high in two weeks. 100-150 daily could be the rate os transmission. People seem to be forgetting its a very serious virus. 20% need hospitalization. Maybe lower now but nothing has changed since March. The hope is that their are not as many vulnerable people to pick it up. Hopefully some truth to the T Cell theories.

Pitch n Putt · 07-08-2020 08:46AM

spookwoman wrote: »

Chap last night from one of the counties with the outbreaks said there was 6 cases in his neighbourhood.

It’s not the Black Death that the government and NPHET would lead you to believe.

Yes dangerous to certain age groups and compromised people but the fact is and backed up by the numbers

People actually recover from this and continue to live

Shocking really that well over 24000 people have actually recovered :eek:

Yes recovered. But now we’re stuck in a state of scaremongering and fear with the way this thing is being handled by government,NPHET and the media.

Now from Monday anyone who doesn’t wear a totally unnecessary mask will be treated like a leper and be stared out of it and intimidated because of the fear that’s been put in people

If they continue it’s going to take a generation for people to recover from this fear.

is_that_so · 07-08-2020 08:47AM

wadacrack wrote: »

Theirs a lag with symptoms too, so possibly lot more asymptomatic transmission occuring than is being picked. Cases look like they could be very high in two weeks. 100-150 daily could be the rate os transmission. People seem to be forgetting its a very serious virus. 20% need hospitalization. Maybe lower now but nothing has changed since March. The hope is that their are not as many vulnerable people to pick it up. Hopefully some truth to the T Cell theories.

The numbers for today will include some of the mass testing the HSE have been doing. Even if it is higher, while they remain linked to clusters rather than emerging as new community cases they can be managed. It's also not clear from this current cohort if we will see 20% of cases in hospitals. Despite rises over the last few weeks, very few are in hospital.

ixoy · 07-08-2020 08:49AM

wadacrack wrote: »

20% need hospitalization. Maybe lower now but nothing has changed since March.

It depends on factors, in particular age. People below 50 are far less likely to require hospitalisation - closer to 6% chance I think for the 35-44 category for example and some of those might have underlying conditions. That's the sort of thing that leads a bit to complacency because, the younger you are, the statistics show that you're less likely to end up in hospital so they keep on going.

kenmc · 07-08-2020 08:50AM

Covid 19 compliance officer is not an official "thing", likely created by the construction industry as they were the first of the reopenings and were putting structure into place prior to the HSA return to work guidelines bring published.

In these guidelines, there is a "lead worker representative" role defined, responsible for ensuring that the company is implementing their part of the guidelines to keep the workers safe, and liasing between workers and employer.

wadacrack · 07-08-2020 08:52AM

is_that_so wrote: »

The numbers for today will include some of the mass testing the HSE have been doing. Even if it is higher, while they remain linked to clusters rather than emerging as new community cases they can be managed. It's also not clear from this current cohort if we will see 20% of cases in hospitals. Despite rises over the last few weeks, very few are in hospital.

Yea theirs a lag as seen in Australia and Hong Kong. It will change in a few weeks, Symtoms and more serious disease for some will develop.Its highly likely to be spreading asymptomatically in the community . Impossible to pick up every case.

John O.Groats · 07-08-2020 08:55AM

Pitch n Putt wrote: »

It’s not the Black Death that the government and NPHET would lead you to believe.

Yes dangerous to certain age groups and compromised people but the fact is and backed up by the numbers

People actually recover from this and continue to live

Shocking really that well over 24000 people have actually recovered :eek:

Yes recovered. But now we’re stuck in a state of scaremongering and fear with the way this thing is being handled by government,NPHET and the media.

Now from Monday anyone who doesn’t wear a totally unnecessary mask will be treated like a leper and be stared out of it and intimidated because of the fear that’s been put in people

If they continue it’s going to take a generation for people to recover from this fear.

With the rise in new cases mask wearing is now actually more important than it would have been at anytime since March/April had it been made mandatory at that stage. That is the reality no matter how much you want to deny it.

Covid 19 Part XX-26,644 in ROI (1,772 deaths) 6,064 in NI (556 deaths) (08/08)Read OP

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