Covid 19 Part XX-26,644 in ROI (1,772 deaths) 6,064 in NI (556 deaths) (08/08)Read OP

06-08-2020 11:25PM

majcos wrote: »

I would hope any office is very different to a meat factory.

Depends completely on the employer. Some I've know would be just as bad in terms of how they treat their staff.

nocoverart · 06-08-2020 11:25PM

Rimmy wrote: »

Its okay to be a fun winter is all I'll say.

Its never going away.

You should Tell Oxford and the like to pack in the potential Vaccines so... because Rimmy says so.

Spanish Eyes · 06-08-2020 11:27PM

blackcard wrote: »

Was on a staycation in the West the last few days. Hotel went out of its way to comply with best practice. Breakfast and evening meals had to be booked in advance, all staff wearing masks, loads of sanitizers, one way system to keep guests separate. No staff entering rooms during a guests stay.

Went into town, big queues outside restaurants, no masks, no social distancing. Personal responsibility would defeat this virus, some people are ruining this for us all

Complacency is creeping in now, and TBH I would have been out of there in a flash. Sorry.

Steve F · 06-08-2020 11:29PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Complacency is creeping in now, and TBH I would have been out of there in a flash. Sorry.

Stop,you'll upset the sociopaths in here

Atlantic Dawn · 06-08-2020 11:29PM

igCorcaigh wrote: »

What I don't understand is why essential health services like cancer screening and treatment have been put on hold.

Obviously there is a risk/benefit analysis being made, but it just seems so wrong to me.

Yes plenty more perfectly healthy people get cancer than get seriously ill with Covid, we should be setting Covid exclusive hospitals and let the others continue providing day to day healthcare.

coastwatch · 06-08-2020 11:29PM

LuasSimon wrote: »

These meat factories with all their minimum wage staff afraid to ring in sick is a huge problem .
The rich owners couldn’t give a fcuk about the workers or the covid they can spread as long as the money keeps rolling in . That’s why they employ foreign workers who are unsure of their rights and afraid of the owners sacking them at the drop of a hat .

There' s a state paid Covid illness Benefit of €350 pw for any worker told to self isolate by a doctor, or any worker tested positive

https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/social_welfare/social_welfare_payments/disability_and_illness/covid19_enhanced_illness_benefit.html#:~:text=When%20a%20worker%20is%20told,of%20%E2%82%AC350%20per%20week.&text=If%20you%20are%20ill%20for,for%20the%20standard%20Illness%20Benefit.

ChikiChiki · 06-08-2020 11:30PM

Steve F wrote: »

Or the world has more sociopaths than we realized.
I think that's it TBH.
People just don't give a sh1t

Fcuk that, if I'm catching something that the scientists cannot even figure out the full effects of yet. Will be doing my best to avoid it, but see far too many people saying "I'm young, so what"

The thing with COVID is there are still so many unknowns. You could spend many years suffering in the aftermath. Inflammation around the heart is a good example.

blackcard · 06-08-2020 11:32PM

Aisha Slimy Trapezoid wrote: »

That hotel sounds like great craic.

You could have a few pints with your meal so grand. I am afraid we have to forego a bit of craic to defeat this

GazzaL · 06-08-2020 11:32PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Complacency is creeping in now, and TBH I would have been out of there in a flash. Sorry.

I've been saying for weeks that the core messages about good hygiene and social distancing are being lost. I've been repeatedly shouted down on here, but it is a fact. All the talk about pubs (which should be open once operating safely) and face masks has only diluted the messages.

majcos · 06-08-2020 11:32PM

igCorcaigh wrote: »

What I don't understand is why essential health services like cancer screening and treatment have been put on hold.

Obviously there is a risk/benefit analysis being made, but it just seems so wrong to me.

Cancer treatments have not all been put on hold.

In some instances, treatments were moved to private hospitals during that takeover period.

Public patients had surgeries for time critical cases in the Galway Clinic for example. Tallaght surgeries in the Beacon. Chemotherapy for patients in Tullamore was moved to the Hermitage in Sandyford.

Should have been a lot more of this as private hospitals were still underutilized but it was hard to rearrange things in such a short time frame.

Steve F · 06-08-2020 11:32PM

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Fcuk that, if I'm catching something that the scientists cannot even figure out the full effects of yet. Will be doing my best to avoid it, but see far too many people saying "I'm young, so what"

The thing with COVID is there are still so many unknowns. You could spend many years suffering in the aftermath. Inflammation around the heart is a good example.

Good point

JP Liz V1 · 06-08-2020 11:33PM

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

First positive test a week ago, factory let stay open until today where now 80 confirmed positive, complete joke of a country we are living in.

https://www.thejournal.ie/kildare-factory-confirms-80-covid-19-cases-suspends-operations-immediately-5169920-Aug2020/

That is a disgrace, the owners should be liable and prosecuted imo

ChikiChiki · 06-08-2020 11:37PM

bb1234567 wrote: »

Odd that Melbourne has a similar population to Ireland and despite the relatively similar positivity rates dozens ofpeople have died there over the last few days vs basically none hre.

Because they are about a month ahead of us, in terms of the 2nd wave.

For simplicity, at the exact moment you are infected, it could take 14th day to be diagnosed, on the 20th day be admitted to hospital, 28th day into ICU, 35th day to 42nd to pass on.

Melbourne seen the beginning of their surge when we were practically at zero.

majcos · 06-08-2020 11:43PM

expectationlost wrote: »

its easy if you are just testing somebody because they in hospital and for no other reason or symptom put that on a separate list.

The list of related symptoms is very long so the number of patients that meet one of the symptoms is quite high. Suspected cases are counted at certain time points during the day based purely on swabs. Even between those counts, patients will be tested and cleared so those figures are continuously in flux.

To add figuring out why each swab was done in the first place would be a very considerable workload and it doesn’t add anything to how the patients are managed or treated. The only thing it would be beneficial for, is to stop the media from getting carried away with suspected case numbers.

I would suggest ignoring suspected case numbers on a day to day basis at the moment as they are reflective of operational procedures within a hospital rather than the real level of clinically suspected cases. Only the positive results count at present.

ChikiChiki · 06-08-2020 11:45PM

igCorcaigh wrote: »

What I don't understand is why essential health services like cancer screening and treatment have been put on hold.

Obviously there is a risk/benefit analysis being made, but it just seems so wrong to me.

Agree, I think one major hospital should be cordoned off to maintain these vital appointments. Even if a private hospital was aquired by the state that would be completely a Covid free zone.

Make people be tested and quarantine nearby for the two weeks prior to their appointment.

spookwoman · 06-08-2020 11:45PM

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Fcuk that, if I'm catching something that the scientists cannot even figure out the full effects of yet. Will be doing my best to avoid it, but see far too many people saying "I'm young, so what"

The thing with COVID is there are still so many unknowns. You could spend many years suffering in the aftermath. Inflammation around the heart is a good example.

Shush, down with that sort of thing

expectationlost · 07-08-2020 12:02AM

majcos wrote: »

The list of related symptoms is very long so the number of patients that meet one of the symptoms is quite high. Suspected cases are counted at certain time points during the day based purely on swabs. Even between those counts, patients will be tested and cleared so those figures are continuously in flux.

To add figuring out why each swab was done in the first place would be a very considerable workload and it doesn’t add anything to how the patients are managed or treated. The only thing it would be beneficial for, is to stop the media from getting carried away with suspected case numbers.

I would suggest ignoring suspected case numbers on a day to day basis at the moment as they are reflective of operational procedures within a hospital rather than the real level of clinically suspected cases. Only the positive results count at present.

I can easily ignore it but the media will misuse the terminology https://www.thesun.ie/news/5744908/coronavirus-ireland-hospital-patients-icu-increase-hse/

Micky 32 · 07-08-2020 12:03AM

owlbethere wrote: »

I didn't have a fever either. Fever is 38. I had a high temperature. It was out of the ordinary for me. Like I check my temperature in the mornings and usually it's
36.6
36.7
36.8
36.9

I checked my temperature one morning last week and it gave me a reading of 37.7. I took it again and in the other ear. The temperature was raised and it was out of the ordinary for me.

I didn't have any other and I had no cold symptoms and I didn't feel unwell. I never would have gone to the dentist if I thought my high temperature was viral related.

I find those ear thermoneters not the most accurate. I can put it in my ear and it will read 37.8 and 2 seconds later i’ll get 36.2. I tend to run a little hot anyway, always have.
My partner often comments i’m like a radiator in the bed while i sleep.

Mental Mickey · 07-08-2020 12:07AM

Hi.

Does anyone know at what time is the announcement re: the 60 more cases being made.

caveat emptor · 07-08-2020 12:10AM

whistleblower kid get's punished. Not surprising that people in institutions
don't feel comfortable to come forward and express concerns.
We have a good record of that here.

https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1291508530500046854?s=20

expectationlost · 07-08-2020 12:13AM

Not all meat plants offer sick pay to workers https://www.independent.ie/business/farming/beef/not-all-meat-plants-offer-sick-pay-to-workers-covid-19-committee-hears-39357585.html

expectationlost · 07-08-2020 12:15AM

caveat emptor wrote: »

whistleblower kid get's punished. Not surprising that people in institutions
don't feel comfortable to come forward and express concerns.
We have a good record of that here.

https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1291508530500046854?s=20

do all these kids have to move around to different classes, surely would be only the case for labs etc

JP Liz V1 · 07-08-2020 12:17AM

igCorcaigh wrote: »

What I don't understand is why essential health services like cancer screening and treatment have been put on hold.

Obviously there is a risk/benefit analysis being made, but it just seems so wrong to me.

I know some cancer treatments are still going ahead like chemo but screenings were suspended

spookwoman · 07-08-2020 12:18AM

expectationlost wrote: »

Not all meat plants offer sick pay to workers https://www.independent.ie/business/farming/beef/not-all-meat-plants-offer-sick-pay-to-workers-covid-19-committee-hears-39357585.html

In general, you have no legal right to be paid while you are on sick leave from work. However, employers can decide their own policy on sick leave and may decide to pay you while you are off sick. Your employer must give you written information about their sick leave policy.

there are other options though and to be honest during a pandemic it's pretty selfish to continue working if there is a chance you are infected.

https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/employment/employment_rights_and_conditions/leave_and_holidays/sick_leave.html

gipi · 07-08-2020 12:20AM

coastwatch wrote: »

There' s a state paid Covid illness Benefit of €350 pw for any worker told to self isolate by a doctor, or any worker tested positive

https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/social_welfare/social_welfare_payments/disability_and_illness/covid19_enhanced_illness_benefit.html#:~:text=When%20a%20worker%20is%20told,of%20%E2%82%AC350%20per%20week.&text=If%20you%20are%20ill%20for,for%20the%20standard%20Illness%20Benefit.

That payment is only now being made available to workers in direct provision centres - announced today at the update briefing

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/75e06-briefing-on-the-governments-response-to-covid-19-thursday-6th-august-2020/

polesheep · 07-08-2020 12:26AM

completedit wrote: »

My thoughts are that there may be some inside scoop, one that hasn't come to public knowledge, that this virus may have potential very serious long term implications, even for those who are asymptomatic. It's the only thing that makes sense given the demographic and relatively low numbers of deaths that have occurred.

Ok, but explain all the people that have had it and bounced back, including my 97-year-old aunt.

caveat emptor · 07-08-2020 12:32AM

expectationlost wrote: »

Not all meat plants offer sick pay to workers https://www.independent.ie/business/farming/beef/not-all-meat-plants-offer-sick-pay-to-workers-covid-19-committee-hears-39357585.html

I can sympathise with someone who absolutely has to go to. work to pay rent.
It will create an issue for everyone else but at least their family has a roof over their head. Law of unintended consequences.

Wonder why all our outbreaks are in low paying sectors?

polesheep · 07-08-2020 12:32AM

majcos wrote: »

Wonder if the severity of the outbreak in Italy has led to better adherence to public health advice.

At one point in certain regions ventilators were reserved for patients under 80 and then for those under 70 and then for those under 60.

Imagine that has scared the population into an abundance of caution and compliance with social distancing, hand washing, etc. Regardless of what lockdown restrictions are or are not in place, people are more likely to be extra cautious if they have seen/experienced a severe outbreak.

The dying died and then the rest of society got on with it. Bar rare outliers, healthy people don't die from Covid-19.

political analyst · 07-08-2020 12:33AM

This article was published on 17 July.

https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/if-we-hit-100-covid-cases-per-day-were-going-back-to-phase-2-what-would-that-look-like-again-39376043.html?fbclid=IwAR3JkMeQB_15-BvtCqmTJgheUT1H001rlYyVQeRiWw8H6HSPA9Y8bSKB7rQ

Ireland may have to go back to Phase Two of restrictions if the daily confirmed coronavirus cases reach 100 each day again, NPHET expert Cillian De Gascun has warned.

This would mean that travel would again be limited to within 20km of your home and restaurants, gyms and hairdressers would be among the businesses that may have to close again.

If our government doesn't want the country to go back to Phase 2 then how is letting US tourists visit here helpful to our economy?

Why will our government not ban flights from the US? Is it fear of antagonising the Donald?

andrew1977 · 07-08-2020 12:35AM

We were planned to go back to the office on Monday after working from home since March .
Thankfully the management have seen sense and pulled the plug on it, remain working from home until end of September and will be reviewed then .

Covid 19 Part XX-26,644 in ROI (1,772 deaths) 6,064 in NI (556 deaths) (08/08)Read OP

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