Opening of "No-Food" pubs pushed out again

Amirani · 06-08-2020 01:54PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

You are spreading misinformation.

There were 9 new Covid hospital admissions on Monday. The last time we had that many on a day was 1st June. What's misinformation about that?

weldoninhio · 06-08-2020 01:57PM

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

Are you that desperate to sit at a bar that you’re just going to blatantly lie? Some priorities.

Below is the most up to date HSE update. Last week we had a high of 17 people in hospital with Covid, we now have 9. 9 is a lower number of cases than 17. That is a decrease of cases.

HSE Daily Operations Update
9 in hospital, decrease of 6.
0 confirmed cases in hospitals today.
6 in ICU, increase of 1.
1 ventilated, no change.

weldoninhio · 06-08-2020 02:02PM

Amirani wrote: »

There were 9 new Covid hospital admissions on Monday. The last time we had that many on a day was 1st June. What's misinformation about that?

No there wasn't. There were 9 TOTAL confirmed Covid cases in hospital in ROI on Monday, including the ones who are long term on ventilators. You are spreading misinformation because you don't know what you are talking about.

Here is Mondays report: https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-updates/covid-19-daily-operations-update-2000-3-august-2020.pdf

El_Duderino 09 · 06-08-2020 02:03PM

Muahahaha wrote: »

Old fellas in rural areas should really look at taking a visit to their local mens shed. Theres over 450 of them nationwide purposefully targeting men who are elderly and isolated. Neighbour of mine goes to one a couple of times a week, he's a retired GP and has been learning carpentry and woodworking in the local mens shed. Its a great social outlet for him and the other men who meet up regularly, he's made some good friends through it.

Pubs aren't the only social outlet available in rural areas even though publicans would have us believe that they are. Mens sheds can be set up by any small group, indeed over 450 already have and thousands of people in rural areas use them regularly.

Lots of info on them here https://menssheds.ie/

I completely agree with this sentiment. Mrhe virus is here to stay and distancing is here to stay. Lots of the old ways of doing things will change, including socialising. Men's sheds are a great idea and deserve support and men deserve encouragement to join up with their local shed.

Sitting around waiting for things to go back normal and pubs to reopen is only going to lead to prolonged loneliness. Go out and find new ways to meet up with people.

There's no way pubs should reopen any time soon. Little distancing and no masks. Terrible combination.

Amirani · 06-08-2020 02:05PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

Below is the most up to date HSE update. Last week we had a high of 17 people in hospital with Covid, we now have 9. 9 is a lower number of cases than 17. That is a decrease of cases.

HSE Daily Operations Update
9 in hospital, decrease of 6.
0 confirmed cases in hospitals today.
6 in ICU, increase of 1.
1 ventilated, no change.

You clearly don't work in healthcare, or have much understanding of statistics.

You're presenting aggregated numbers rather than patient-level data. What's of concern is the increasing rate of admissions, not the total number of people currently in hospital.

Amirani · 06-08-2020 02:06PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

No there wasn't. There were 9 TOTAL confirmed Covid cases in hospital in ROI on Monday, including the ones who are long term on ventilators. You are spreading misinformation because you don't know what you are talking about.

Here is Mondays report: https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-updates/covid-19-daily-operations-update-2000-3-august-2020.pdf

Again, you're using aggregated information and trying to explain patient-level detail. This is basic stuff.

Donald Trump · 06-08-2020 02:13PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

Newspaper in sensationalism claim to sell papers shock. Not having a go at you Joe, you didn't write the article, but again this is project fear from the papers. Officially, numbers in hospital and ICU have dropped rather than risen.

They won't count cases admitted to ICU as officially being a corona case until the get positive test results back.

But the people treating them will probably take a bit of an educated guess from the symptoms what is wrong with the person

Charles Babbage · 06-08-2020 02:16PM

Donald Trump wrote: »

They won't count cases admitted to ICU as officially being a corona case until the get positive test results back.

But the people treating them will probably take a bit of an educated guess from the symptoms what is wrong with the person

Some people would rather uneducated guesses than educated ones.

mountgomery burns · 06-08-2020 02:38PM

rubadub wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=

hhahaha, if that was the WORST bit it sounds like you thought it was a decent post!

An obvious example of the feigned ignorance bullshit that these threads are facing.

duurrrr, I never knew food likely reduces drunkeness,
durrrr, why would people act differently after using mind altering drugs, doesn't happen in my pub, you must be in a hellhole

https://www.alcohol.org/effects/inhibitions/

You're fooling nobody with this utter bullshit. Cringeworthy crap.

So you think that the people that don't wash their hands only apply that to when they're in the pub?

What's really cringeworthy is a grown man continuously mentioning the phrase "eating is cheating" incessantly for 5 months as if this is actually a prevalent mindset among anyone over the age of about 21.

Muahahaha · 06-08-2020 02:39PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

I completely agree with this sentiment. Mrhe virus is here to stay and distancing is here to stay. Lots of the old ways of doing things will change, including socialising. Men's sheds are a great idea and deserve support and men deserve encouragement to join up with their local shed.

Sitting around waiting for things to go back normal and pubs to reopen is only going to lead to prolonged loneliness. Go out and find new ways to meet up with people.

There's no way pubs should reopen any time soon. Little distancing and no masks. Terrible combination.

Yeah definitely this. Heard Dr.Fauci yesterday saying we have to be prepared for the possibility of no workable vaccine arriving at all. In that event unless the Govt decide to go for a herd immunity strategy then things are likely to stay as they are now and people need to find different social outlets than just the pub alone.

The Mens Shed movement fills that gap especially for people who are isolated in rural areas. The govt should really be encouraging more of them to set up to help combat the problem.

copeyhagen · 06-08-2020 02:43PM

Muahahaha wrote: »

Old fellas in rural areas should really look at taking a visit to their local mens shed. Theres over 450 of them nationwide purposefully targeting men who are elderly and isolated. Neighbour of mine goes to one a couple of times a week, he's a retired GP and has been learning carpentry and woodworking in the local mens shed. Its a great social outlet for him and the other men who meet up regularly, he's made some good friends through it.

Pubs aren't the only social outlet available in rural areas even though publicans would have us believe that they are. Mens sheds can be set up by any small group, indeed over 450 already have and thousands of people in rural areas use them regularly.

Lots of info on them here https://menssheds.ie/

Or, heaven forbid, the aul fella likes a pint and spending time in the pub...

weldoninhio · 06-08-2020 02:44PM

Donald Trump wrote: »

They won't count cases admitted to ICU as officially being a corona case until the get positive test results back.

But the people treating them will probably take a bit of an educated guess from the symptoms what is wrong with the person

They give out total numbers, not the ones they guess have Covid.

Dyr · 06-08-2020 02:54PM

copeyhagen wrote: »

Or, heaven forbid, the aul fella likes a pint and spending time in the pub...

Most mens sheds are already oversubscribed anyway

In rural Ireland the local pubs and GAA club are the main social outlet for a lot of older men. 450 mens sheds are going to replace that.

IAMAMORON · 06-08-2020 03:01PM

There is scope to invest a large fridge in your local men shed and stack her up with cans. The only issue I have with the men shed is that they can be cliquey at times. The beauty of a boozer is that you get randomness and a different bit of craic most days.

But members of sheds with over 30 men should be looking at getting a keg of stout thrown in there. Makes sense a few times a month. No bullshight from owners or head the balls you can't tolerate or shít stirring etc. Just cost priced stout at your own time and at your own leisure, what more do you want? Strippers optional.

PTH2009 · 06-08-2020 03:40PM

Will publicans challenge if/when the openings are delayed further on the 31st Aug ?

Charles Babbage · 06-08-2020 04:26PM

Bambi wrote: »

Most mens sheds are already oversubscribed anyway

In rural Ireland the local pubs and GAA club are the main social outlet for a lot of older men. 450 mens sheds are going to replace that.

In this context I would question the limits on attendances at local GAA matches. The perimeter of the GAA pitch is 400m so more can attend without any real problem. Discouraging having a chat in a small poorly ventilated pub is one thing, the same chat on the perimeter of a pitch would be significantly less dangerous, but is also prohibited.

THe outdoor regulations also effectively prohibit any sort of childrens sports day, garden fête etc which could be socially valuable to the community in a village and not involve huge risk either as people would not be knocking back flagons of cider. We shouldn't limit the outdoors too much in August and there should be some provision for such an event to produce a plan and get permission.

Donald Trump · 06-08-2020 04:32PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

They give out total numbers, not the ones they guess have Covid.

Yes. If they have 6 people confirmed with Covid, they will give out the official number of 6.

If a newspaper asks someone who works there who tells them that there were another 11 suspected but unconfirmed cases added last night, the newspaper - depending on it's "reputation" - might be inclined to run with the "spike" angle.

I was simply giving a possible reason for the discrepancy.

Fann Linn · 06-08-2020 04:34PM

IAMAMORON wrote: »

There is scope to invest a large fridge in your local men shed and stack her up with cans. The only issue I have with the men shed is that they can be cliquey at times. The beauty of a boozer is that you get randomness and a different bit of craic most days.

But members of sheds with over 30 men should be looking at getting a keg of stout thrown in there. Makes sense a few times a month. No bullshight from owners or head the balls you can't tolerate or shít stirring etc. Just cost priced stout at your own time and at your own leisure, what more do you want? Strippers optional.

Bada Bing.

Donald Trump · 06-08-2020 04:45PM

IAMAMORON wrote: »

There is scope to invest a large fridge in your local men shed and stack her up with cans. The only issue I have with the men shed is that they can be cliquey at times. The beauty of a boozer is that you get randomness and a different bit of craic most days.

But members of sheds with over 30 men should be looking at getting a keg of stout thrown in there. Makes sense a few times a month. No bullshight from owners or head the balls you can't tolerate or shít stirring etc. Just cost priced stout at your own time and at your own leisure, what more do you want? Strippers optional.

It's the modern times. Knock yourself out. If you want to lock yourself into a shed with 30 drunk sweaty grown men and watch one of them doing his full-monty impression then sure more power to you.

Only God (and David Quinn) can judge you

Sofiztikated · 06-08-2020 04:59PM

IAMAMORON wrote: »

There is scope to invest a large fridge in your local men shed and stack her up with cans. The only issue I have with the men shed is that they can be cliquey at times. The beauty of a boozer is that you get randomness and a different bit of craic most days.

But members of sheds with over 30 men should be looking at getting a keg of stout thrown in there. Makes sense a few times a month. No bullshight from owners or head the balls you can't tolerate or shít stirring etc. Just cost priced stout at your own time and at your own leisure, what more do you want? Strippers optional.

Ah here, pubs are just as cliquey. This pub is This GAA teams pub, that pub is where that gunclub meets, the one over there is the Liverpool supporters club, Breda and the gurls meet in that one for Wine & a line.

El_Duderino 09 · 06-08-2020 04:59PM

Muahahaha wrote: »

Yeah definitely this. Heard Dr.Fauci yesterday saying we have to be prepared for the possibility of no workable vaccine arriving at all. In that event unless the Govt decide to go for a herd immunity strategy then things are likely to stay as they are now and people need to find different social outlets than just the pub alone.

The Mens Shed movement fills that gap especially for people who are isolated in rural areas. The govt should really be encouraging more of them to set up to help combat the problem.

Even if it takes 3-5 years. That's too long to wait for social interactions. I'd say the pubs would go mad if the government encouraged peope to find new pass times but it's the right thing to do. Men's sheds are one really positive example but there are loads and loads of other ways to get the social inter some will be more suited to summer than winter but we need to focus now on things to do in winter. we can't rely on it being safe for pubs to open in winter.

El_Duderino 09 · 06-08-2020 05:02PM

copeyhagen wrote: »

Or, heaven forbid, the aul fella likes a pint and spending time in the pub...

We all like a pint and spending time in the pub. If the aul fella doesn't learn a new way to socialise then he'll have no social interactions for months or years. The poster said the government should actively encourage people to find new ways to socialise such as men's sheds. They didn't say the government should mandate them.

Who could possibly have a problem with that?

kenmc · 06-08-2020 05:02PM

Norn iron halting pub openings now too...
https://m.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/northern-ireland-halts-reopening-of-pubs-as-covid-19-cases-rise-39429092.html

El_Duderino 09 · 06-08-2020 05:11PM

Charles Babbage wrote: »

In this context I would question the limits on attendances at local GAA matches. The perimeter of the GAA pitch is 400m so more can attend without any real problem. Discouraging having a chat in a small poorly ventilated pub is one thing, the same chat on the perimeter of a pitch would be significantly less dangerous, but is also prohibited.

THe outdoor regulations also effectively prohibit any sort of childrens sports day, garden fête etc which could be socially valuable to the community in a village and not involve huge risk either as people would not be knocking back flagons of cider. We shouldn't limit the outdoors too much in August and there should be some provision for such an event to produce a plan and get permission.

Completely agree with all this. Should be encouraging people to get social interactions outdoors and in a safe way. We also need to plan for winter when the weather doesn't permit much outdoor gathering. But for now we should be focusing on safe outdoor socialising.

Why do some people pretend to care about the "little auld fella at the end of the bar, with the white hair and the flat cap" when they argue to open the pubs, but the same people don't want to find other ways for the same auld fella to socialise anywhere except the pub. It's pretty transparent that a lot of people don't actually care about the auld fella. They just want the pub opened for themselves.

Coillte_Bhoy · 06-08-2020 05:27PM

Sofiztikated wrote: »

Ah here, pubs are just as cliquey. This pub is This GAA teams pub, that pub is where that gunclub meets, the one over there is the Liverpool supporters club, Breda and the gurls meet in that one for Wine & a line.

Not in my experience, the 5 pubs in my hometown have a wide mix of people and interests, and anyway unlike the mens shed if you dont like the company in one you can always move tot another

ShooterSF · 06-08-2020 05:27PM

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Ive been out to restaurants maybe 4 times since all this 105 mins nonsense started and not once have i or seen anybody been asked to leave until they wanted too.

I've been out 3 times. Twice the rule was enforced, once it wasn't but it isn't really the point if that pub has said all guidelines are going to be strictly adhered to. I was commenting on how tough that will be for them. Giving them the benefit of the doubt as I don't know the place.

Naos · 06-08-2020 06:56PM

bucketybuck wrote: »

They still think that nothing should reopen until the virus has gone. And not just gone here, gone everywhere.

Out of curiosity, considering you think our Government want nothing opened up... what exactly is still closed?

Naos · 06-08-2020 07:03PM

ShooterSF wrote: »

I'd say its gonna take a lot of work from both establishments if they are far apart. Pizza not the fastest thing to make either so that would surely put you under pressure to order, get your food and eat it in 105 minutes.
I suppose it depends how big the pub is and how much pressure is subsequently put on the pizzeria.

Sounds good to me... come in & order your pizza & a few pints. Have a few slices of pizza and take the rest home if it's that delayed.

nacho libre · 06-08-2020 07:06PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Why do some people pretend to care about the "little auld fella at the end of the bar, with the white hair and the flat cap" when they argue to open the pubs, but the same people don't want to find other ways for the same auld fella to socialise anywhere except the pub. It's pretty transparent that a lot of people don't actually care about the auld fella. They just want the pub opened for themselves.

Well , seeing as i was the first to mention them, it's not about opening the pub up for me. I have not drank any alcohol in six months and don't miss it all that much, but there are people who are isolated who do. A mens shed, which i was not aware of, is a good idea, but then not everyone might have the inclination to join a mens sheds to learn a new skill and socialise that way.

briany · 06-08-2020 07:21PM

Even if every pub opened back up tomorrow under the proviso of doing some simple food for the customers coming in, be it a pizza, toasted sandwich or just letting them bring in a bag of chips, it still wouldn't be good enough for a lot of people. The food thing is only to pay lip service to what people really want to do when going to their local and that is to socialise - that's the main attraction of a traditional public house, the craic, the atmosphere etc, because you can sure as hell eat and drink and watch sport at home (if you've a way of viewing said sport, anyway).

I think the problem still remains that so many people will be so glad to get back out to the pub, and publicans will be so glad of the patronage, that all the social distancing and time limit, and food stipulation will go out the window where and when it can be gotten away with.

But on the one hand, if all that does not contribute to a spike in cases, then I would say that is (in hindsight) a fantastic piece of social disobedience, showing that we can still have our pub culture while not overloading the medical system. But on the other, if it does contribute to a rise in cases, directly, nobody involved is going to admit that they f'd up.

Opening of "No-Food" pubs pushed out again

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