Covid 19 Part XX-26,644 in ROI (1,772 deaths) 6,064 in NI (556 deaths) (08/08)Read OP

MOR316 · 06-08-2020 05:02PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I believe it's not my responsibility to worry tbh. I've done everything I can over the past few months to protect myself, my family and my friends, and have no reason to change the way I'm acting right now as it has worked all along. Me worrying is going to have zero impact on how Ireland does.

This mindset challenges people who are worried.

It is why you are being questioned as to why you aren't worrying and demanding to know how many cases it'll take to make you worried.

People don't being challenged

Gruffalux · 06-08-2020 05:03PM

CalamariFritti wrote: »

I was thinking about those 'suspected cases' and admissions that drop off the very next day.

Now I'm completely guessing here - but nonetheless nearly prepared to put the house on it.

Hospitals obviously get money for all things COVID - tests, positive test, admissions with suspected, admissions with confirmed, admissions into ICU etc. As in they get x amount of € for each of those and then per day etc.

I'm fairly sure they're 'playing it safe' on many a patient given that there is an actual financial incentive to find 'suspected' and have someone in ICU over night 'just in case' and all that. We all know how it works. No?

I seriously doubt it. But it is the same line that is peddled on US conspiracy sites.

ACitizenErased · 06-08-2020 05:04PM

MOR316 wrote: »

This mindset challenges people who are worried.

It is why you are being questioned as to why you aren't worrying and demanding to know how many cases it'll take to make you worried.

People don't being challenged

I've never been a worrier, never will be, don't see any reason to change right now. Worry is a defense mechanism for feeling helpless.
The fact of the matter is this is a personal responsibility, it is the world we now live in, we need to do what we are told in terms of hygiene, distancing, masks etc and get on with life.

Widdensushi · 06-08-2020 05:04PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Sharp increase in suspected Covid-19 cases in ICU in 24 hours

https://www.thejournal.ie/covid-19-ireland-10-5169487-Aug2020/

Clickbate again, six confirmed but you need to read the smallprint.

thelad95 · 06-08-2020 05:05PM

CalamariFritti wrote: »

I was thinking about those 'suspected cases' and admissions that drop off the very next day.

Now I'm completely guessing here - but nonetheless nearly prepared to put the house on it.

Hospitals obviously get money for all things COVID - tests, positive test, admissions with suspected, admissions with confirmed, admissions into ICU etc. As in they get x amount of € for each of those and then per day etc.

I'm fairly sure they're 'playing it safe' on many a patient given that there is an actual financial incentive to find 'suspected' and have someone in ICU over night 'just in case' and all that. We all know how it works. No?

Jesus wept.

CalamariFritti · 06-08-2020 05:06PM

Gruffalox wrote: »

I seriously doubt it. But it is the same line that is peddled on US conspiracy sites.

I didnt know that it was peddled elsewhere but its obvious they're getting paid for every line item that is COVID. They're hardly doing it for free.

There is definitely not an incentive for hospitals to underreport.

MOR316 · 06-08-2020 05:06PM

Gruffalox wrote: »

I seriously doubt it. But it is the same line that is peddled on US conspiracy sites.

At this point in my life, to be honest, I wouldn't put anything past anyone

Not saying it's true mind

caveat emptor · 06-08-2020 05:06PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

This means literally nothing

Really? Would it mean something if it were one of your family members?

The numbers actually represent people.
You do know that don’t you?

Queried · 06-08-2020 05:06PM

Possibly a stupid question regarding cases in hospital and cases in ICU; does the number they list for those in hospital include those in ICU? For example 10 in hospital 6 of which are in ICU, do they mean 10 cases altogether, 4 in general beds?

CalamariFritti · 06-08-2020 05:07PM

thelad95 wrote: »

Jesus wept.

So other than 'jesus wept' have you anything intelligent to say?

Its hardly an outrageous line of thought for anyone who knows how PS works.

MOR316 · 06-08-2020 05:07PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I've never been a worrier, never will be, don't see any reason to change right now. Worry is a defense mechanism for feeling helpless.
The fact of the matter is this is a personal responsibility, it is the world we now live in, we need to do what we are told in terms of hygiene, distancing, masks etc and get on with life.

Agreed!

ACitizenErased · 06-08-2020 05:08PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Really? Would it mean something if it were one of your family members?

The numbers actually represent people.
You do know that don’t you?

Why are you going down the soppy defense route

The vast majority of people who go into hospital are tested and treated as suspected, that's what the HSE report shows every single night. Maybe if you read it you would know?

Gruffalux · 06-08-2020 05:09PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I've never been a worrier, never will be, don't see any reason to change right now. Worry is a defense mechanism for feeling helpless.
The fact of the matter is this is a personal responsibility, it is the world we now live in, we need to do what we are told in terms of hygiene, distancing, masks etc and get on with life.

It is good to be calm and stoic, and especially to start being that when young. But at your age you can also never say there will never be a reason to be worried in your life. A very sick child will batter the best defenses against worry for example. And for other people, they are worried about the pandemic, it is just personalities. I am not worried per se right now. Hospital admissions are low, severity of illness is not manifesting in great numbers, we have great systems in place. But as a kind of general vibe 2020 has undeniably not been a really groovy year so far.

MOR316 · 06-08-2020 05:10PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Why are you going down the soppy defense route
The vast majority of people who go into hospital are tested and treated as suspected, that's what the HSE report shows every single night. Maybe if you read it you would know?

Told ya

Queried · 06-08-2020 05:11PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I've never been a worrier, never will be, don't see any reason to change right now. Worry is a defense mechanism for feeling helpless.
The fact of the matter is this is a personal responsibility, it is the world we now live in, we need to do what we are told in terms of hygiene, distancing, masks etc and get on with life.

A great attitude to have to be fair. As a worrier, I am jealous :pac: but trying to work on it! As the quote goes, worrying about something means you suffer twice; in your head beforehand and then when you go through what you worry about in real life (or once if the event you worry about never happens :pac:).

TheValeyard · 06-08-2020 05:12PM

Rumours of 100+ tonight infected from a meat factory. Where do these stories start from?

Amirani · 06-08-2020 05:12PM

CalamariFritti wrote: »

I was thinking about those 'suspected cases' and admissions that drop off the very next day.

Now I'm completely guessing here - but nonetheless nearly prepared to put the house on it.

Hospitals obviously get money for all things COVID - tests, positive test, admissions with suspected, admissions with confirmed, admissions into ICU etc. As in they get x amount of € for each of those and then per day etc.

I'm fairly sure they're 'playing it safe' on many a patient given that there is an actual financial incentive to find 'suspected' and have someone in ICU over night 'just in case' and all that. We all know how it works. No?

You're completely misinterpreting the meaning of "suspected" in this context, though they could probably be using a better word. It doesn't mean that the hospital thinks the patient has Covid.

ACitizenErased · 06-08-2020 05:13PM

TheValeyard wrote: »

Rumours of 100+ tonight infected from a meat factory. Where do these stories start from?

Kildare has had 100 cases since last week, Laois almost 60, most are linked to the dog food factory. Unless this is a different one?

Gruffalux · 06-08-2020 05:14PM

CalamariFritti wrote: »

I didnt know that it was peddled elsewhere but its obvious they're getting paid for every line item that is COVID. They're hardly doing it for free.

There is definitely not an incentive for hospitals to underreport.

No, I get it. But they would have such a backlog of other procedures that they can get paid for if they have Covid down that I really doubt they would over state things. In a way the opposite could be also argued - they have missed out on loads of pay for other stuff because of Covid. I don't know anyway.

Widdensushi · 06-08-2020 05:14PM

TheValeyard wrote: »

Rumours of 100+ tonight infected from a meat factory. Where do these stories start from?

People spreading them and asking where do they start

MOR316 · 06-08-2020 05:14PM

Queried wrote: »

A great attitude to have to be fair. As a worrier, I am jealous :pac: but trying to work on it! As the quote goes, worrying about something means you suffer twice; in your head beforehand and then when you go through what you worry about in real life (or once if the event you worry about never happens :pac:).

Try not to worry about this.
As long as you keep a good hygiene etiquette, when you're out and about, I see no reason why you should worry. You're protecting yourself and others

Amirani · 06-08-2020 05:15PM

TheValeyard wrote: »

Rumours of 100+ tonight infected from a meat factory. Where do these stories start from?

Probably a worker in the plant, one of the testers, or someone else with access to the data.

What Username Guidelines · 06-08-2020 05:16PM

Queried wrote: »

Possibly a stupid question regarding cases in hospital and cases in ICU; does the number they list for those in hospital include those in ICU? For example 10 in hospital 6 of which are in ICU, do they mean 10 cases altogether, 4 in general beds?

Not a stupid question, there was lots of confusion about this when the numbers were far larger. The hospital numbers are total, so they include ICU. 10 in hospital with 6 in ICU means 4 in general beds.

pc7 · 06-08-2020 05:17PM

Seamai wrote: »

No he shouldn't have, we've all had coughing and sneezing etiquette drilled into us over the last 6 months, to add insult to injury he handed his debit card to the waitress to pay, didn't tap himself. WTF! It's the first time I've been in a situation like this and you're right, I should have walked out.

I find some of the best advice from experts is the 3 c’s,

Avoid closed spaces, crowded places, and close-contact settings.

CalamariFritti · 06-08-2020 05:17PM

Amirani wrote: »

You're completely misinterpreting the meaning of "suspected" in this context, though they could probably be using a better word. It doesn't mean that the hospital thinks the patient has Covid.

Ye like I said I was completely pulling this out of my rear. As you suspected I don't really know what a suspected case is.

But the admissions went up to 17 next day they were back to 9. After having been fairly constant for quite some time.

Had me thinking - and again completely unfounded, probably all perfectly legit, but thinking all the same - that there is actual financial incentive to admit someone even just for the night - 'just in case'.

Itssoeasy · 06-08-2020 05:17PM

TheValeyard wrote: »

Rumours of 100+ tonight infected from a meat factory. Where do these stories start from?

Well seeing as you're the first person on this thread to bring up that number you tell us where it starts. And I'm sorry but rumours of social media and whatsapp aren't confirmed.

Boggles · 06-08-2020 05:18PM

TheValeyard wrote: »

Rumours of 100+ tonight infected from a meat factory. Where do these stories start from?

Donnelly.

spookwoman · 06-08-2020 05:18PM

pc7 wrote: »

I find some of the best advice from experts is the 3 c’s,

Avoid closed spaces, crowded places, and close-contact settings.

could add another c - avoid people acting the c*nt

CalamariFritti · 06-08-2020 05:20PM

Gruffalox wrote: »

No, I get it. But they would have such a backlog of other procedures that they can get paid for if they have Covid down that I really doubt they would over state things. In a way the opposite could be also argued - they have missed out on loads of pay for other stuff because of Covid. I don't know anyway.

You got a point. And I have nothing really to base this on other than having observed previously how state agencies bill each other for this and that. Just thinking out loud and bouncing it off the people here.

What Username Guidelines · 06-08-2020 05:20PM

CalamariFritti wrote: »

Ye like I said I was completely pulling this out of my rear. As you suspected I don't really know what a suspected case is.

But the admissions went up to 17 next day they were back to 9.

Had me thinking - and again completely unfounded, probably all perfectly legit, but thinking all the same - that there is actual financial incentive to admit someone even just for the night - 'just in case'.

Up to 17 and down to 9 doesn't necessarily mean the 8 came and went. There can be a lot of movement between reports and it's a little hard to compare over a few days, but the numbers are usually posted by ACitizenErased each night here as +/– in each hospital. Often you'll see the numbers stay the same overall but a couple of hospitals have emptied and another hospital has +3 for example.

A covid stay is usually a few days til stable, some may be in for a matter of hours, some months.

No real financial incentive in the Irish system.

Covid 19 Part XX-26,644 in ROI (1,772 deaths) 6,064 in NI (556 deaths) (08/08)Read OP

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