Covid 19 Part XX-26,644 in ROI (1,772 deaths) 6,064 in NI (556 deaths) (08/08)Read OP

Westernyelp · 05-08-2020 10:08PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1291109343115522048?s=20

Any chance Trump is one of them?

almostover · 05-08-2020 10:11PM

Gruffalox wrote: »

One thing Covid is doing is bringing to public attention the conditions for what are effectively the under classes at the foundation of our society. Zero hours short term contracts, no sick pay, no security, least pay possible without the bosses looking like utter bollixes. There are no outbreaks in financial institutions or the big tech companies.

I work for a large multinational technology company and my eyes have been opened to how good we have it, companies response the the pandemic has been perfect and we've had 0 cases in our factory.

Direct provision is a national disgrace, it's like modern day slavery.

05-08-2020 10:12PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

With all due respect. This is quite important.
We all have a responsibility to prevent the spread of misinformation.
I had to take the time to read it. Time I don't have.
A poster got shot down when in fact they were accurate , not fair.

I don't want people to be confused and think that 5% of the population had this when there is no evidence they did.
I don't want people to think the main stream media are trying to control their life by cherry picking parts of academic papers and misquoting the significance of the papers.

So you agree they are of no use in public health currently in accordance with.....
the two different experts who commented to the journalists in two different newspaper?.

the authors of the meta study and their conclusions in the paper you referenced?

https://www.cochranelibrary.com/cdsr/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD013652/epdf/full

Again, nothing refuting that false negatives, not false positives are the primary issue. I will concede that the true rate of anti bodies may be as low as 4% given the specificity. But given the main issue is there been an absence of antibodies to detect even in positive cases rather than antibodies detected incorrectly, that is always going to result in things more likely to tend to false negatives rather than false positives. When the error rates are well known in this testing such as this does give good data as modellers can always say 95%ci of 4-6% or whatever the error suggests. For individuals it is sufficiently accurate that if it tells you you have anti bodies you can have high confidence you had the virus. It’s it’s negative, it’s less certain. Longer term the data may reduce the error

almostover · 05-08-2020 10:13PM

JRant wrote: »

Fully agree, the management have a lot to answer for in those cases. So do the people turning up to work sick though. There is absolutely no excuse for turning up unwell in the middle of a pandemic.
Shows how poor the measures put in place by that company were to allow it as well.

Problem is the people turning up for work are probably on the bread line and need the money, they may not have good sick pay or health insurance. What we need is a more fair and inclusive society where people aren't one illness away from destitution

JRant · 05-08-2020 10:14PM

almostover wrote: »

I work for a large multinational technology company and my eyes have been opened to how good we have it, companies response the the pandemic has been perfect and we've had 0 cases in our factory.

Direct provision is a national disgrace, it's like modern day slavery.

It really isn't, nobody is being held against their will and are free to leave whenever they like.

05-08-2020 10:15PM

The HorsesMouth wrote: »

Serious questions have to be asked of the management of that factory. It's a disgrace and has obviously been mismanaged to the extreme.

Is it clear that the factory was the source, or the direct provision centres. Workers may well have Ben socialising outside work also

s1ippy · 05-08-2020 10:15PM

Myramar wrote: »

Just watched it - excellent called "Race against the virus Hunt for a Vaccine"

Really shocked to hear at 11:00 minutes Luke O'Neil talking about how in Feb 2020 they were alarmed at the fact that this virus could spread asymptomatically.

"Here we had one case initially a guy from Hong Kong and then the could follow it so they got a lot of information
from that .....the big thing that emerged was asymptomatic spread because theyu could measure all the people, see who was positive for the
virus and see who never had symptoms - you know? .... this asymptomatic spread made it very dangerous."

Weeks later he was telling Ryan Tubridy that mask wearing was a waste of time unless you knew you had the disease.

A few months later he changed his opinion about masks because We didn't know at the time that the virus could be transmitted when you are asymptomatic.

Claims that the scientific community did not know about asymptomatic transmission of this disease way before a single case of this was detected in Ireland are totally absurd and, I suspect, the understanding that Aerosol
Transmission was also known at the time.

Covid 19 might be a new virus but water droplets expelled by coughing and sneezing are not new at all.

He's a dangerous bsa and he'll say whatever will get him on TV.

I have a disappointed feeling that the waters have been intentionally muddied by some of the new "celebrity scientists" so people's risk threshold is higher and they'll go about their business as normal, working in conditions that are inevitably going to pose risk and heading into town socialising and shopping like everything is normal.

"I thought it was only touching things so if you wash your hands you were fine?"

"i thought it was 1m social distance?"

"I thought masks transmit the virus?"

If I, some randomer, could figure out how to keep safe and not get a virus from reading Chinese news and research papers back in February and figure out the gist of it myself, his grinning moron on RTÉ telling the public one thing one week and another the next wasn't going to change my mind.

They've nearly all done 180s on bafflingly stupid things they've said in the past few months, all the Irish science lads from the media I can think of.

JRant · 05-08-2020 10:17PM

almostover wrote: »

Problem is the people turning up for work are probably on the bread line and need the money, they may not have good sick pay or health insurance. What we need is a more fair and inclusive society where people aren't one illness away from destitution

I'm not sure what country you're living in but that is absolutely not the case in Ireland. The COVID payment was to all employees who lost jobs and health insurance has been null and void since March. If you lose your job and are sick in Ireland you get looked after.

05-08-2020 10:19PM

JRant wrote: »

It's clear that's the "message" to get out there though. He's not flying solo when making comments like that.

I'm confused as to what their strategy is being honest. I'm sure NPHET would love to go for the ZeroCovid approach but it's a bonkers strategy with open borders and people from all over the world free to travel here on a whim. The government are stuck between two trains of thought right now and it's not doing any of use any good.

True, sh*t or get of the pot springs to mind. They either want elimination, which is shut down for 6 weeks and do a New Zealand on travel, or stick with the original strategy of contain track trace and target. Appears they are stuck not knowing what they want

ACitizenErased · 05-08-2020 10:20PM

Not sure how much thought to put into this but for the last 5 days the world's cases have began to plateau, as has the 7 day average.

Away With The Fairies · 05-08-2020 10:21PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

True, sh*t or get of the pot springs to mind. They either want elimination, which is shut down for 6 weeks and do a New Zealand on travel, or stick with the original strategy of contain track trace and target. Appears they are stuck not knowing what they want

They should have done what New Zealand done at the beginning of this though, instead of this ****show that's been going on for months.

ACitizenErased · 05-08-2020 10:22PM

Deleted User wrote: »

True, sh*t or get of the pot springs to mind. They either want elimination, which is shut down for 6 weeks and do a New Zealand on travel, or stick with the original strategy of contain track trace and target. Appears they are stuck not knowing what they want

Agreed. Very mixed signals coming from different sides right now.

ACitizenErased · 05-08-2020 10:24PM

HSE Daily Operations Update
9 in hospital, decrease of 6.
0 confirmed cases in hospitals today.
6 in ICU, increase of 1.
1 ventilated, no change.

froog · 05-08-2020 10:25PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Again, nothing refuting that false negatives, not false positives are the primary issue. I will concede that the true rate of anti bodies may be as low as 4% given the specificity. But given the main issue is there been an absence of antibodies to detect even in positive cases rather than antibodies detected incorrectly, that is always going to result in things more likely to tend to false positives rather than false negatives. When the error rates are well known in this testing such as this does give good data as modellers can always say 95%ci of 4-6% or whatever the error suggests. For individuals it is sufficiently accurate that if it tells you you have anti bodies you can have high confidence you had the virus. It’s it’s negative, it’s less certain. Longer term the data may reduce the error

stop digging, you were caught out badly and by your own source no less.

JP Liz V1 · 05-08-2020 10:25PM

Are we heading for another wave / surge as cases rising in counties?

05-08-2020 10:26PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

They should have done what New Zealand done at the beginning of this though, instead of this ****show that's been going on for months.

Because of the global nature of our economy that would always have far bigger negative consequences for us than New Zealand though. An New Zealand are going to be on a knife edge for a long time. Essentially isolated

ACitizenErased · 05-08-2020 10:26PM

Hospital update:

Tallaght -1 (2)
Beaumont -1 (1)
Cavan -- (1)
Drogheda -1 (1)
Galway -- (1)
Kilkenny -- (1)
Mater -1 (1)
UHLimerick -1 (1)
Letterkenny -1 (0)
Mullingar -1 (0)
Wexford -1 (0)

The HorsesMouth · 05-08-2020 10:26PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Is it clear that the factory was the source, or the direct provision centres. Workers may well have Ben socialising outside work also

Regardless..many of the cases would have felt sick and went into work. Why? Lack of sick pay? Lack of education of covid 19 guidelines for employees?

If the outbreak source was the direct provision centre then why have Nphet and media told us it was the factory?

Santy2015 · 05-08-2020 10:26PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

HSE Daily Operations Update
9 in hospital, decrease of 6.
0 confirmed cases in hospitals today.
6 in ICU, increase of 1.
1 ventilated, no change.

Obviously nobody was discharged over the weekend and patients let home??

ACitizenErased · 05-08-2020 10:27PM

Santy2015 wrote: »

Obviously nobody was discharged over the weekend and patients let home??

Yeah Wednesday is usually the biggest day for discharges. 8 discharged today between 2pm and 8pm.

What Username Guidelines · 05-08-2020 10:28PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Not sure how much thought to put into this but for the last 5 days the world's cases have began to plateau, as has the 7 day average.

Noticed the same yesterday.

Where’s the big focus now? As countries came down their peaks, media attention moved to the next hot spot. Italy - Spain - France - UK - NY - Brazil - Florida/Texas/Arizona (all at once) but it seems a lot like even those last 3 are coming down. Have noticed some spots in a bit of bother from new caseloads (Illinois, Iran, Israel, Spain) some seeing more deaths, some not.

What Username Guidelines · 05-08-2020 10:29PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

HSE Daily Operations Update
9 in hospital, decrease of 6.
0 confirmed cases in hospitals today.
6 in ICU, increase of 1.
1 ventilated, no change.

Not sure if it was an error but hospitalisations were at 17 on the dashboard earlier. Great to see it back I single figures.

05-08-2020 10:29PM

froog wrote: »

stop digging, you were caught out badly and by your own source no less.

Except I wasn’t, as explained. The problem is the presence of antibodies in those who have been infected. Not the ability of the test to detect antibodies when present.

Santy2015 · 05-08-2020 10:29PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Yeah Wednesday is usually the biggest day for discharges. 8 discharged today between 2pm and 8pm.

Seems large as there was 6/7 admissions.. are they letting people home even when still infected?

timsey tiger · 05-08-2020 10:30PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Not sure how much thought to put into this but for the last 5 days the world's cases have began to plateau, as has the 7 day average.

Look, back at April 16 on your graph for the answer to that question. Still there is always hope and the global pop. is finite.

ACitizenErased · 05-08-2020 10:30PM

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

Not sure if it was an error but hospitalisations were at 17 on the dashboard earlier. Great to see it back I single figures.

There was 17 in hospital at 8am this morning. That dropped to 14 at 2pm and 9 by 8pm.

ACitizenErased · 05-08-2020 10:31PM

Santy2015 wrote: »

Seems large as there was 6/7 admissions.. are they letting people home even when still infected?

There was 2 admissions today and 8 discharges.

coastwatch · 05-08-2020 10:31PM

JRant wrote: »

Fully agree, the management have a lot to answer for in those cases. So do the people turning up to work sick though. There is absolutely no excuse for turning up unwell in the middle of a pandemic.
Shows how poor the measures put in place by that company were to allow it as well.

almostover wrote: »

Problem is the people turning up for work are probably on the bread line and need the money, they may not have good sick pay or health insurance. What we need is a more fair and inclusive society where people aren't one illness away from destitution

There's a Covid Illness Benefit of €350 pw for any worker who has to isolate with suspected covid or tested positive. So there's no need to turn up at work if you have symptoms.

froog · 05-08-2020 10:31PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Agreed. Very mixed signals coming from different sides right now.

i haven't seen any deviation from the original plan to be honest. different phases of opening and if cases start going up, we take a step back. cases have gone up, and we have slowed the next phase a tad as we see how this progresses. we haven't even gone back a full step yet. it seems some posters on here are desperate not only to never take a step back, but to discredit the government at the same time. neither of which is helpful.

ACitizenErased · 05-08-2020 10:34PM

froog wrote: »

i haven't seen any deviation from the original plan to be honest. different phases of opening and if cases start going up, we take a step back. cases have gone up, and we have slowed the next phase a tad as we see how this progresses. we haven't even gone back a full step yet. it seems some posters on here are desperate not only to never take a step back, but to discredit the government at the same time. neither of which is helpful.

I'm not on about the plan, I'm on about what they're saying. One side's saying one thing, specifically about community transmission, and the other is saying something else.
I'd rather not go into it again, I feel like a broken record.

Covid 19 Part XX-26,644 in ROI (1,772 deaths) 6,064 in NI (556 deaths) (08/08)Read OP

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